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KhaosGT · August 9th, 2008, 04:50 PM

yea dude steer clear of speedtek they are a chevy shop i have been in there a couple of times and they are like what do you drive...and then i get the look from them

94pacecarSVT · August 9th, 2008, 05:10 PM

yea you shouldnt have to pull the motor to take the heads off you will just have two head bolts on each head that wont come all of the way out because of the strut tower you just gotta tape them up so they wont fall back in.

DarkDoug · August 9th, 2008, 06:42 PM

Quick question about the 2valve to 4 valve motor swap you mentioned... Wouldn't he need a new PCM as well or can his old one be reflashed?

Mustang_GTX · August 9th, 2008, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by DarkDoug

Quick question about the 2valve to 4 valve motor swap you mentioned... Wouldn't he need a new PCM as well or can his old one be reflashed?

iiiii dont know

lol never done it, but would like to

347stroker · August 9th, 2008, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by 94pacecarSVT

yea you shouldnt have to pull the motor to take the heads off you will just have two head bolts on each head that wont come all of the way out because of the strut tower you just gotta tape them up so they wont fall back in.

No the head bolts are too long to leave the motor in. They will have to pull the motor. You cant go wrong doing a total rebuild if you can afford it lol, like doc said its extremely extensive and expensive.

347stroker · August 9th, 2008, 09:15 PM

As far as a good replacement head you cant go wrong with fox lake, if thats too expensive you may just consider a p&p job, will be much cheaper. I would go with either comp cams or cms, I was told that you dont have to degree the cms cams. You may just think about stoking it while its out, would be a bit cheaper than a total rebuild I would think.

AggieStang · August 29th, 2008, 11:51 AM

Update: We pulled everything off and we have a bent valve and cracked piston. Where do we go from here? Is there any way to replace the bent valve so I don't have to get new heads? Is getting a stroker kit worth it on our enigines or should I just stay with a stock stroke forged kit? HELP!!!

MustangMatt96GT · August 29th, 2008, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by 347stroker

No the head bolts are too long to leave the motor in. They will have to pull the motor. You cant go wrong doing a total rebuild if you can afford it lol, like doc said its extremely extensive and expensive.

yes it canbe done... Ivepulled heads in car, and even done head studs in car...

Personally, I would put in a built short block. I personally would build it my self and save a little. But no warranty. I would go with a stock crank, manley h beam forged, and pistions of 2618 alloy. Not the crappy 4032 alloy. Get some built heads or have yours portrd, and some custom ground cams. You will be set for 600-650. And ifyou want more use a different crank, although that crank is not known for failure. Intact I have never seen a motor fail from a stock crank, always something else making it fail...

AggieStang · August 29th, 2008, 02:03 PM

what's the limit for the stock block?

ChrisJ · August 29th, 2008, 02:06 PM

The block can handle more then we can throw at it...The block is plenty strong...

AggieStang · August 29th, 2008, 02:32 PM

K so i'm thinking about just replacing the rods and pistons and porting my heads. Sound like a good idea?

ChrisJ · August 29th, 2008, 02:37 PM

If I was you then I would just go ahead and do a stroker setup while you have it all out...Now is the time to decide if you are going to stay nitrous or go forced induction later on...

AggieStang · August 30th, 2008, 04:48 PM

If I build up this engine i'm going to stay with nitrous BUT I found an 03 cobra engine that I might be able to drop in. So the question is: Build up the GT or drop in a cobra?

silver99gt · August 30th, 2008, 05:39 PM

thats an easy one. get that cobra motor. the 4v respond a lot better to mods and its already built. if the price is relatively the same you'd be a fool not to go with the cobra motor.

luis · August 30th, 2008, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by silver99gt

thats an easy one. get that cobra motor. the 4v respond a lot better to mods and its already built. if the price is relatively the same you'd be a fool not to go with the cobra motor.

+1

ajm · August 31st, 2008, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by 347stroker

No the head bolts are too long to leave the motor in. They will have to pull the motor. You cant go wrong doing a total rebuild if you can afford it lol, like doc said its extremely extensive and expensive.

For the bolts that wont come out all you have to do is pull them out as far as you can (the ends will clear the block and come up into the head) wrap some tape around them so they don't fall back in and the head lifts right off. Same process to put them back in/put the heads back on.

AggieStang · August 31st, 2008, 01:25 PM

it's already out

August 9th, 2008, 04:50 PM	#21
KhaosGT Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 970 iTrader: 0 reviews	yea dude steer clear of speedtek they are a chevy shop i have been in there a couple of times and they are like what do you drive...and then i get the look from them __________________ 2004 Black Mustang Gt When I see a 5.0...I respect my elders.

August 9th, 2008, 05:10 PM	#22
94pacecarSVT Enthusiast 1996 Mustang GT 11.2@122.36 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 656 iTrader: 1 reviews	yea you shouldnt have to pull the motor to take the heads off you will just have two head bolts on each head that wont come all of the way out because of the strut tower you just gotta tape them up so they wont fall back in. __________________ black 96 gt w/ non pi motor, cai, built t45, built rear end w/ 3.73's, completely modded suspension, race radiator.....startin over. www.rk-collection.com

August 9th, 2008, 06:42 PM	#23
DarkDoug Regular 2003 Mustang GT Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 57 iTrader: 0 reviews	Quick question about the 2valve to 4 valve motor swap you mentioned... Wouldn't he need a new PCM as well or can his old one be reflashed? __________________ Doug

August 9th, 2008, 09:15 PM	#26
347stroker Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: N. Texas Posts: 971 iTrader: 0 reviews	As far as a good replacement head you cant go wrong with fox lake, if thats too expensive you may just consider a p&p job, will be much cheaper. I would go with either comp cams or cms, I was told that you dont have to degree the cms cams. You may just think about stoking it while its out, would be a bit cheaper than a total rebuild I would think. __________________ Foxlake stage 2 heads, CMS stage 2 cams, Custom Diablo tune, BBK LT's, BBK O/R H, Bassani Race Mufflers, MGW STS, 75MM TB, K&N CAI, Eibach Sportlines, 4.10's Mineral Gray Club Member #1

August 29th, 2008, 11:51 AM	#27
AggieStang WHOOP! 2002 Mustang GT 7.44@95 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: TEXAS Posts: 3,115 iTrader: 3 reviews	Update: We pulled everything off and we have a bent valve and cracked piston. Where do we go from here? Is there any way to replace the bent valve so I don't have to get new heads? Is getting a stroker kit worth it on our enigines or should I just stay with a stock stroke forged kit? HELP!!! __________________ Buy my: Nitrous Accessories Diablosport Programmer In The Classifieds

August 29th, 2008, 02:03 PM	#29
AggieStang WHOOP! 2002 Mustang GT 7.44@95 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: TEXAS Posts: 3,115 iTrader: 3 reviews	what's the limit for the stock block? __________________ Buy my: Nitrous Accessories Diablosport Programmer In The Classifieds

August 29th, 2008, 02:06 PM	#30
ChrisJ RLY SRS Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ft. Meade, MD Posts: 38,220 Blog Entries: 4 iTrader: 10 reviews	The block can handle more then we can throw at it...The block is plenty strong... __________________ 2008 Acura TL Type-S - 2008 EB Ford Expedition - 2002 Boosted GT - Sold Facebook Google+

August 29th, 2008, 02:32 PM	#31
AggieStang WHOOP! 2002 Mustang GT 7.44@95 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: TEXAS Posts: 3,115 iTrader: 3 reviews	K so i'm thinking about just replacing the rods and pistons and porting my heads. Sound like a good idea? __________________ Buy my: Nitrous Accessories Diablosport Programmer In The Classifieds

August 29th, 2008, 02:37 PM	#32
ChrisJ RLY SRS Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ft. Meade, MD Posts: 38,220 Blog Entries: 4 iTrader: 10 reviews	If I was you then I would just go ahead and do a stroker setup while you have it all out...Now is the time to decide if you are going to stay nitrous or go forced induction later on... __________________ 2008 Acura TL Type-S - 2008 EB Ford Expedition - 2002 Boosted GT - Sold Facebook Google+

August 30th, 2008, 04:48 PM	#33
AggieStang WHOOP! 2002 Mustang GT 7.44@95 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: TEXAS Posts: 3,115 iTrader: 3 reviews	If I build up this engine i'm going to stay with nitrous BUT I found an 03 cobra engine that I might be able to drop in. So the question is: Build up the GT or drop in a cobra? __________________ Buy my: Nitrous Accessories Diablosport Programmer In The Classifieds

August 30th, 2008, 05:39 PM	#34
silver99gt Regular 1998 Camaro SS Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Long Island, Kansas Posts: 431 iTrader: 1 reviews	thats an easy one. get that cobra motor. the 4v respond a lot better to mods and its already built. if the price is relatively the same you'd be a fool not to go with the cobra motor.

August 31st, 2008, 01:25 PM	#37
AggieStang WHOOP! 2002 Mustang GT 7.44@95 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: TEXAS Posts: 3,115 iTrader: 3 reviews	it's already out __________________ Buy my: Nitrous Accessories Diablosport Programmer In The Classifieds

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