Auto VS. Manual

November 29th, 2006, 06:09 PM	#1
Wesf90 Regular 200 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Just moved to Montana Posts: 75	Auto VS. Manual I have a question... i know manuals are faster... I have an automatic trans though, i wanted a manual because they are funner to drive... but here's my question... what makes manuals faster? other than being able to get to a certain rpm before shifting? i would rather ask it on here and get laughed at, than to ask it in real life and get laughed at __________________ I'm sportin a 2002 Mustang GT. Mostly stock, but soon to change once my business takes off I got an additional 8 mpg while traveling across the country.

November 29th, 2006, 06:11 PM	#2
acmillr MM's Mad Scientist 2003 GT Street Fast 16.9@76MPH Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 4,375	Your automatic loses HP through the TQ converter. Also, having a manual is like any speed stall converter you could get in an auto.

November 29th, 2006, 07:16 PM	#3
sonicblue Hardcore Enthusiast 1990 GT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: dalzell, south carolina Posts: 1,435	autos are far more consistent when racing. thats one advantage but they do eat up more hp than a manual. manuals are more fun and i like it cause it takes more skill to be consistent __________________ 1990 5.0 getting all fixed up for next season 2004 mustang gt 520rwhp, 491 trq sold

November 29th, 2006, 07:38 PM	#4
Wesf90 Regular 200 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Just moved to Montana Posts: 75	^ Ive looked up some torque converters and stall converters... there are very many to choose from and i read that choosing the wrong one will (in time) blow out the tranny much faster... While keeping on topic, what would be a good converter in order to keep consistent HP in an auto? __________________ I'm sportin a 2002 Mustang GT. Mostly stock, but soon to change once my business takes off I got an additional 8 mpg while traveling across the country.

November 30th, 2006, 04:05 AM	#5
04Pony Regular 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 67	Automatics do lose power through the torque converter, but they also slip during gear changes which is why manual gearboxes are better for racing purposes. Another thing to consider in automatics is overheating the tranny fluid, every time you overheat it you cut the life of the fluid in half. So if the recommended interval for changing out the fluid is normally 30,000 miles, you would have to change it at 15,000 miles if it were overheated once, 7,500 miles if it were overheated twice ect.. ect.. And it's pretty easy to overheat the fluid, which reduces its viscosity which in-turn creates more heat from slippage. If I were you I would have a shift improver kit installed AND a tranny cooler. The stall converter you need is totally dependant on what mods you have done to the engine, what your HP and TQ output is and what gears you run. There is a formula to determine which one you need but I can't think of it off the top of my head right now, but you definitely want components that are designed to work with what you have. __________________ 2004 Mustang GT, 5SPD, Black/Black, Steeda Tri-Ax, Steeda CAI, 3.73 Motive gears

November 30th, 2006, 04:44 AM	#6
ShapeShifter Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 541	since we are on topic, can someone provide me a link to where i can purchase a tranny cooler...ive seen some but dont know what to get.... __________________

November 30th, 2006, 08:57 AM	#7
ChrisJ MuchCoolerThanGTsetGO 2002 Mustang GT SLOW Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Shepherdsville, Kentucky Posts: 16,250	Get a good torque converter, tranny cooler, SCT XCAL2(to firm up shifts) and you will be right with or faster then the stock manual car... __________________ My Junk www.myspace.com/cjobe

November 30th, 2006, 12:11 PM

Wesf90

Regular

200 Mustang GT

Join Date: Nov 2006

Location: Just moved to Montana

Posts: 75

The stall converter you need is totally dependant on what mods you have done to the engine, what your HP and TQ output is and what gears you run.

Ill constantly be modding my engine... especially since im gettin a turbo kit... so if it depends on the mods, would it hurt it if i got it THEN modded my engine?

that would suck..

__________________
I'm sportin a 2002 Mustang GT. Mostly stock, but soon to change once my business takes off

I got an additional 8 mpg while traveling across the country.

November 30th, 2006, 12:27 PM	#9
SWEET2KSTANG MM Fanatic 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 4,859	just plan around your build up on what you need to purchase. a stall should be able to take what you throw at it from stock to stout. the higher stall you go it will take more power to get it to work properly. so if you want to go big you will want to wait on that purchase __________________ stock long block, bolt ons, slicks, and a little squeeze N/A-12.81@103.7 N2O-11.79@115.8 Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you: 1. Jesus Christ 2. The American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.

November 30th, 2006, 12:36 PM	#10
Wesf90 Regular 200 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Just moved to Montana Posts: 75	^ Gotcha So i should wait on a stall and get it after ive done a few major hp mods... and then when i do get it, get it a lil bit bigger depending on what else im gonna do to it... So... how much does a torque converter, tranny cooler, and an SCT XCAL2 run for individually? __________________ I'm sportin a 2002 Mustang GT. Mostly stock, but soon to change once my business takes off I got an additional 8 mpg while traveling across the country.

November 30th, 2006, 01:08 PM	#11
SWEET2KSTANG MM Fanatic 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 4,859	a stall would be one of the last things i did but 4.10's a must with or w/o a stall!!! xcal2=380 on sale norm is around 430-450 http://www.americanmuscle.com/computerchips.html stall converter=380 and up http://www.edgeracingconverters.com/prices.htm good tranny cooler kit= 50-100 __________________ stock long block, bolt ons, slicks, and a little squeeze N/A-12.81@103.7 N2O-11.79@115.8 Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you: 1. Jesus Christ 2. The American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.

November 30th, 2006, 02:15 PM	#12
Wesf90 Regular 200 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Just moved to Montana Posts: 75	^ sweet deal... ill look into it __________________ I'm sportin a 2002 Mustang GT. Mostly stock, but soon to change once my business takes off I got an additional 8 mpg while traveling across the country.

November 30th, 2006, 02:53 PM	#13
06dkkiser Regular Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ashland, Kentucky Posts: 205	what is a stall comverter? __________________ 95 ' v6 Mustang, 5 Speed.

November 30th, 2006, 11:08 PM	#14
yknot Newbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 27	First off....Manuals are NOT faster....just most people have only driven a automatic in a lame car. Do you ever go to the drag races???????? What is it you see in 90% of all bracket cars.....? a automatic. Sure some run manuals, but only because the class designates it of they are running them with a particular engine combo for a weight brake. Unless you are going up against a Liberty, Jerico or Lenco manual trany, know one can out shift a automatic Also , automatics produce more torque, up to 40% more. This is possible because of the torque converter, and the added leverage it has. Once the torque converter locks-up, it will not multiply the torque any more and you will be left with what ever the engine makes on it's own. The only trouble with automatics is most that have them drive lamo cars, and those with decent power don't have the funds to run a performance auto with a performance torque converter. Yell, most stock older autos suck....The newer cars with there 5-6-and even 8 speed autos are a different story, they rock right out of the gate. Ford needs to reinvest and come out with something other then the stock lamo 4-speed they now have. With all the money they threw-away testing then building that constantly-variable trany that no one wanted, they could have built several performance oriented tranys with a 5-6 speed modle for the Mustang. Then all these young punks would have a different take on what a real automatic transmission is like.

December 1st, 2006, 12:30 AM	#15
Wesf90 Regular 200 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Just moved to Montana Posts: 75	^ so were you referring to a 2002 stang GT when you posted all that? __________________ I'm sportin a 2002 Mustang GT. Mostly stock, but soon to change once my business takes off I got an additional 8 mpg while traveling across the country.

December 1st, 2006, 12:30 AM	#16
Wesf90 Regular 200 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Just moved to Montana Posts: 75	^ so were you referring to a 2002 stang GT when you posted all that? __________________ I'm sportin a 2002 Mustang GT. Mostly stock, but soon to change once my business takes off I got an additional 8 mpg while traveling across the country.

December 1st, 2006, 02:06 AM	#17
tlgrant Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 318	Yknot i agree with you on the whole auto thing, autos are more consitent and bracket racing is nothing but 100% consistency. but the CVT tranny is awesome and they didnt design it volvo did. my moms got a new ford 500. its not a rocket ship but its not suposed to be, its a big comfortable awd car. and i can say that car is faster with that tranny then it would be with a 4 or 5 speed auto. they are realy quite something. you floor it and it stays 500 below the red line and keeps you at the perfect gear ratio all the way up. its pretty cool __________________ 96 GT , cams,intake manifold,CAI,Exhaust,Full Hotchkis suspension, and many more

December 1st, 2006, 04:07 AM	#18
04Pony Regular 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 67	yknot you are right, but most performance cars with automatics have LOUSY transmissions (unless you buy an exotic or drop a ton of cash on a high end American ride). The automatic has pretty much remained the same over the last 40 years or so and just recently (in the last 8-10 years) have there been significant improvements. My '87 IROC had a 700R4 that was pathetic when I first got it, only after installing a shift kit, tranny cooler and a 2200RPM stall coverter was it able to keep pace with other 5 spd cars. __________________ 2004 Mustang GT, 5SPD, Black/Black, Steeda Tri-Ax, Steeda CAI, 3.73 Motive gears

December 1st, 2006, 09:31 AM	#19
SWEET2KSTANG MM Fanatic 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 4,859	which one is better; its all up to who want what! as far as what has been said everything is pretty damn accurate. its up to you as far as what you want not what everyone wants/says you need __________________ stock long block, bolt ons, slicks, and a little squeeze N/A-12.81@103.7 N2O-11.79@115.8 Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you: 1. Jesus Christ 2. The American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.

December 1st, 2006, 08:08 PM	#20
yknot Newbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 27	I didn't say if I liked the constant variable transmission or not, I just said Ford ended up wasting a bunch of money (over 50 million) on a transmission that know one wanted. The assembly plant they built to build the transmissions was axed in the "Way Forward" program. The transmission never caught on, and now it's on it's way out. You do not have to spend a fortune to buy a new car with a modern, performance automatic......Even the Honda FIT has a 5-speed auto, and it's under 15K. The Honda civic, Accord and even the Odyssey all have 5-speed's. The new FJ-Curser has a 6-speed.. Chevrolet has the 8-speed Corvette.....Yell it's expensive but at least they offer something for their money. Dodge has a 5-speed also for the whole line-up and a 6-speed for the Cummins trucks Ford does make a very good 5-speed for the F-series but nothing for the Mustang. Which brings us to the lack of forward progress with the Mustang. Looks like Ford is going back to the 5.0L as the main engine in the very neer future???? Will they ever offer anything but the solid axle to compete with the new Camaro or Charger??

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