Beware of a wrx

spike spiegel · December 5th, 2008, 12:07 PM

my dad has a 2003 subruru WRX,and it has to get a $2,000 valve job at 71k miles,asked the dealership and they said they had 4 other wrx there getting the same problem fixed,its a normal to get a valve job on a wrx at 80k

r.barn · December 6th, 2008, 01:22 PM

$2,000 for a valve job ?

How much is just buying a new head all together ? Geez
Doesnt surprise me though. Really beating the hell out of that
small motor to get it to make the numbers it does.

TurboLX · December 6th, 2008, 06:07 PM

wow that is a lie, there doing it to make extra money problably because buisness is slow, that is a scam, there's shop's here in NY that will do you a valve job for a whole lot less then that, go someplace else.

Avaric3 · December 6th, 2008, 06:59 PM

ya, i agree wit turbolx

silver_fbody · December 6th, 2008, 07:03 PM

I would take it to a reputable shop, fuck the stealership

GreenFaleen · December 7th, 2008, 01:24 PM

2 grand buy a ported head from an aftermarket company for that price jeeze

Drick · December 7th, 2008, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by r.barn

$2,000 for a valve job ?

How much is just buying a new head all together ? Geez
Doesnt surprise me though. Really beating the hell out of that
small motor to get it to make the numbers it does.

Yea I agree. When you take a small motor a tweak everything to get it to make 300 hp then shit is gonna break

But 2k for a valve job is alot. But mabey they also gotta do other things. My dad runs a dealership shop and they dont rip people off. Dealerships are not out to get you

mustangsoldier · December 7th, 2008, 02:48 PM

some dealerships aren't out to get you lol. i used to own a 92 prelude and some tardo backed into my car and busted a tail light so i went to the honda dealership to order a new one and then was told i had to order a set, which i was ok w/ ... till they told me it would $642.57!!! that was the day i said FUCK HONDAS! lol

ReverendDexter · December 7th, 2008, 04:46 PM

300hp out of a turbo 4-cylinder isn't quite the beating you guys seem to think it is, though it's certainly harder on internals than it is to pull the same power out of a larger displacement engine. The Japanese have been pulling 300+ hp out of 2.0L motors since the early 80's, maybe even the late 70's. Heck, everyone was pulling much more than that with the Group B rally cars (Toyota was pulling 600 hp out of a turbo 2.0L with their Group B Celica with the 4T-GTE)

That being said... $2k for a valve job?!? Do they have to drop the motor to do it? I know it's tight in there, and not a lot of clearance on "top" of the piston with a boxer engine, but still, that seems pretty grossly overpriced to me.

JakeM · December 8th, 2008, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter

300hp out of a turbo 4-cylinder isn't quite the beating you guys seem to think it is, though it's certainly harder on internals than it is to pull the same power out of a larger displacement engine. The Japanese have been pulling 300+ hp out of 2.0L motors since the early 80's, maybe even the late 70's. Heck, everyone was pulling much more than that with the Group B rally cars (Toyota was pulling 600 hp out of a turbo 2.0L with their Group B Celica with the 4T-GTE)

That being said... $2k for a valve job?!? Do they have to drop the motor to do it? I know it's tight in there, and not a lot of clearance on "top" of the piston with a boxer engine, but still, that seems pretty grossly overpriced to me.

I had a 2002 WRX that I toasted a valve on. You do have to drop the motor to pull the heads, but its not that hard at all. I had my heads fully ported/polished and had ferrara stainless steel valves and titanium springs and retainers put in and it was only $1800 including the cam's........

LightDude · December 17th, 2008, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by TurboLX

wow that is a lie, there doing it to make extra money problably because buisness is slow, that is a scam, there's shop's here in NY that will do you a valve job for a whole lot less then that, go someplace else.

I couldn't agree more.. I can feel that it's some kind of a scam too..

C MY 4D · December 17th, 2008, 08:25 PM

Has anyone thought to check what the book time is? Is it only one head or is it both of them?

Cylinder Head Assembly
Replace
Right Bank A 9.1 12.7 Notes
Includes: R&I Head, Grind Valves & Seats, Transfer Necessary Parts, Make Necessary Adjustments.
Left Bank A 8.5 11.8 Notes
Includes: R&I Head, Grind Valves & Seats, Transfer Necessary Parts, Make Necessary Adjustments.
Both Banks A 12.9 17.6 Notes
Includes: R&I Head, Grind Valves & Seats, Transfer Necessary Parts, Make Necessary Adjustments.

Plus parts

So lets say its the left head. That pays 11.8 hours @ $100. That's $1180 just in labor. Not to mention shop rates usually range from $90-125/hr depending on where your located. If they are doing both heads which they probably are he is getting a good deal.

Everyone is so quick to assume that every dealer and shop is out to get them. Sure there are a few shops that do some shady shit but most of them are just trying to make a living just like the rest of you.

TheLubracano · December 18th, 2008, 09:06 PM

It could also be a timing belt job with some other 80k Maint - that can get pricey real fast.

ImpulseCars · December 26th, 2008, 01:42 AM

i assume that something has happened to make you take it to the dealership, so ill take it as a given the car does need head work and the dealership isn't lying about that. When it comes to price, I can see head on a wrx being pricey for a 4 cycl. There are two, and they are difficult to get to, there would be more labor then on most I4's. Plus, OE Japanese parts are very pricey as others have mentioned, you very well might be better off getting aftermarket parts.

spike spiegel · December 31st, 2008, 07:22 PM

My dad took it to the dealer cuase he thought it was a serious job and need to be done right,So he took it to the dealer

G.T. Rags · December 31st, 2008, 07:34 PM

what ever happened with the car?

04mustang232 · December 31st, 2008, 07:56 PM

I want a 2007 STI in the worst way.

spike spiegel · December 31st, 2008, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by 96GTRagTop

what ever happened with the car?

it got fixed

mustangsoldier · January 1st, 2009, 05:09 PM

shouldve blown it up and taken the insurance money lol

zack065 · January 16th, 2009, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by r.barn

$2,000 for a valve job ?

ha.
valve job

December 5th, 2008, 12:07 PM	#1
spike spiegel Enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 578 iTrader: 0 reviews	Beware of a wrx my dad has a 2003 subruru WRX,and it has to get a $2,000 valve job at 71k miles,asked the dealership and they said they had 4 other wrx there getting the same problem fixed,its a normal to get a valve job on a wrx at 80k __________________ [2000 blue mustang gt vert 5spd,stalker bodykit,18'' cobra rims,lowered 2'',light bar,k&N cai,roush side exhaust,x pipe,pp 75mm tb & plenum Pro5.0 3:90 gears,Custom 91 octane SCT tune 2000 red VW jetta,auto stock Topless Mustang Club Member

December 6th, 2008, 01:22 PM	#2
r.barn Regular 1989 LX Vert - 1993 Notch Fast Join Date: May 2008 Location: Houston Posts: 398 iTrader: 0 reviews	$2,000 for a valve job ? How much is just buying a new head all together ? Geez Doesnt surprise me though. Really beating the hell out of that small motor to get it to make the numbers it does. __________________ The last President elected in anger of previous President was ....... Jimmy Carter God Help Us Last edited by r.barn; December 6th, 2008 at 01:30 PM.

December 6th, 2008, 06:59 PM	#4
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December 7th, 2008, 01:24 PM	#6
GreenFaleen MM's Resident Ricer 2006 Scion tC 13.001@113 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Raleigh/Lenoir, NC Posts: 9,880 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 1 reviews	2 grand buy a ported head from an aftermarket company for that price jeeze __________________ Scion Tc Turbo - 9psi 297whp 287wtq 2500lbs :p MM 4 Banger club: Senior Ricer NCMM #9 "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." -Carroll Shelby

December 6th, 2008, 06:07 PM	#3
TurboLX I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1988 Mustang LX Turbo Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NY Posts: 8,778 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	wow that is a lie, there doing it to make extra money problably because buisness is slow, that is a scam, there's shop's here in NY that will do you a valve job for a whole lot less then that, go someplace else.

December 7th, 2008, 02:48 PM	#8
mustangsoldier Hardcore Enthusiast 1993 Mustang we'll find out when i come home from iraq. Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: from Lawton, OK stationed @ Ft. Hood, TX Posts: 1,860 iTrader: 0 reviews	some dealerships aren't out to get you lol. i used to own a 92 prelude and some tardo backed into my car and busted a tail light so i went to the honda dealership to order a new one and then was told i had to order a set, which i was ok w/ ... till they told me it would $642.57!!! that was the day i said FUCK HONDAS! lol __________________ shut up before i punch you in the throat

December 7th, 2008, 04:46 PM	#9
ReverendDexter Priest of the Car Gods Clapped-out '90 GT 'vert ~5.5 seconds off TTOD :( Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 13,804 iTrader: 0 reviews	300hp out of a turbo 4-cylinder isn't quite the beating you guys seem to think it is, though it's certainly harder on internals than it is to pull the same power out of a larger displacement engine. The Japanese have been pulling 300+ hp out of 2.0L motors since the early 80's, maybe even the late 70's. Heck, everyone was pulling much more than that with the Group B rally cars (Toyota was pulling 600 hp out of a turbo 2.0L with their Group B Celica with the 4T-GTE) That being said... $2k for a valve job?!? Do they have to drop the motor to do it? I know it's tight in there, and not a lot of clearance on "top" of the piston with a boxer engine, but still, that seems pretty grossly overpriced to me. __________________ O o /¯/______________________ \|BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!! \_\

December 17th, 2008, 08:25 PM	#12
C MY 4D Billy Weston 2003 Cobra 11.14@124.36 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 4,806 iTrader: 8 reviews	Has anyone thought to check what the book time is? Is it only one head or is it both of them? Cylinder Head Assembly Replace Right Bank A 9.1 12.7 Notes Includes: R&I Head, Grind Valves & Seats, Transfer Necessary Parts, Make Necessary Adjustments. Left Bank A 8.5 11.8 Notes Includes: R&I Head, Grind Valves & Seats, Transfer Necessary Parts, Make Necessary Adjustments. Both Banks A 12.9 17.6 Notes Includes: R&I Head, Grind Valves & Seats, Transfer Necessary Parts, Make Necessary Adjustments. Plus parts So lets say its the left head. That pays 11.8 hours @ $100. That's $1180 just in labor. Not to mention shop rates usually range from $90-125/hr depending on where your located. If they are doing both heads which they probably are he is getting a good deal. Everyone is so quick to assume that every dealer and shop is out to get them. Sure there are a few shops that do some shady shit but most of them are just trying to make a living just like the rest of you. __________________ TT Build in progress....... Need work done to your car for a great price in Hampton Roads? Shoot me a PM.

December 18th, 2008, 09:06 PM	#13
TheLubracano Regular 2000 Mustang GT SLOW Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 74 iTrader: 0 reviews	It could also be a timing belt job with some other 80k Maint - that can get pricey real fast.

December 26th, 2008, 01:42 AM	#14
ImpulseCars Newbie Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 38 iTrader: 0 reviews	i assume that something has happened to make you take it to the dealership, so ill take it as a given the car does need head work and the dealership isn't lying about that. When it comes to price, I can see head on a wrx being pricey for a 4 cycl. There are two, and they are difficult to get to, there would be more labor then on most I4's. Plus, OE Japanese parts are very pricey as others have mentioned, you very well might be better off getting aftermarket parts.

December 31st, 2008, 07:22 PM	#15
spike spiegel Enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 578 iTrader: 0 reviews	My dad took it to the dealer cuase he thought it was a serious job and need to be done right,So he took it to the dealer __________________ [2000 blue mustang gt vert 5spd,stalker bodykit,18'' cobra rims,lowered 2'',light bar,k&N cai,roush side exhaust,x pipe,pp 75mm tb & plenum Pro5.0 3:90 gears,Custom 91 octane SCT tune 2000 red VW jetta,auto stock Topless Mustang Club Member

January 1st, 2009, 05:09 PM	#19
mustangsoldier Hardcore Enthusiast 1993 Mustang we'll find out when i come home from iraq. Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: from Lawton, OK stationed @ Ft. Hood, TX Posts: 1,860 iTrader: 0 reviews	shouldve blown it up and taken the insurance money lol __________________ shut up before i punch you in the throat

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