[DiMora]

Originally Posted by 1slo5.0 The new Camaro is a bad ass looking car as is the Challenger. Both will hand a Mustang its ass. Ford needs to step up the program. Its bad when a V6 Camaro can beat up on a Mustang GT....

Did you see this month's Car and Driver? Mustang wins overall dollar for dollar.

You can get a new Mustang with a Track-Pack for the same $$$$ as a challenger / camaro.

[fct/frm]

The Mustang has always been marketed as an afordable 'Fun" car that had many options so it could be matched to its driver. If you wanted a a cheap Mustang u got the base model. If u wanted fast fast fast you could go Shelby Super Snake. Hell you could have gotten a Mclaren Mustang in 1980. The Mustang has always been about getting a car to fit 'who you are' for your budget.

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by 07stanggt So lets get this straight, a corvette, which is a awesome car that most of us cant afford or really justify owning, a camaro which runs 13s and financially broke! and somehow you think ford needs to go to the drawing board. Im thinking you are like GM and put to much stock on niche market. So gm has a camaro in 2000 that is faster then a mustang and cost more then a mustang. It wasnt selling and loosing money. But it had more HP so that was a winning formula. ford was stupid the mustang has a weak engine, but the mustang was/is always has been profitable and a big seller. Chevy, instead of revamping, realizing the mistake, chaging the camaro to appeal to a larger market and making it more affordable, scraps it............ then spends 3 years talking about bringing it back, its fuck up when it gets here, becuase they were rushed??? the car still cost more then a mustang. And now they are broke. Sorry guys, GM couldnt have screwed up camaros more if they tried over the course of that cars history. The vette is a awesome car, but its a loss leader and how many loss leaders can you afford. The did do huge imporvements with the GM pick up trucks in the recent decade ill give them that. The tahoe's were nice and the sub's. But they fucked up on cars so bad is criminal.

If a Corvette is not affordable then either was the 03/04 Cobras since they are the about same price new and used.....

Although it might be your opinion that the new Camaros are junk and screwed up but opinions don't matter, facts do and the facts are that the new Camaro was selling like hot cakes before the first one even hit a show room floor. A friend of mine works for a GM dealership. He ordered a new Camaro SS and just got it thursday. They can't keep them on the show room floor. The cars are sold before they even show up. Obviously there are alot of people out there that don't think they are screwed up junk.

For the record, it wasn't just 2000 that the Camaro was faster than the Mustang. 93-02 the Camaro killed the Mustang. Quite honestly the Camaro from 82-92 had the Mustang in a choke hold.

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by DiMora Did you see this month's Car and Driver? Mustang wins overall dollar for dollar. You can get a new Mustang with a Track-Pack for the same $$$$ as a challenger / camaro.

I take magazine articles with a grain of salt. Keep in mind these same magazines road tested the fox body Mustangs and they ran low 15s.......

[kenphillips]

Is camaro really that ugly? Oops, my bad!

[white03v6]

all right guys...let me explain to you what Chevy did with this Camaro.
Every redneck needs a Chevy truck and a Camaro. However, the economy is in trouble and rednecks can no longer afford 2 cars, so Chevy combined the Camaro and a truck so rednecks only need 1 car to worry about.
And if you look at how much hp the Mustang has vs the Camaro, you'll realize the Camaro in no way is a better car.
The 2010 V6 Camaro is "neck and neck with a 2003 GT"...well I would hope it would do a lot better than that with an extra 40hp.
This Camaro fails all-around.
Looks, stats, and eventually sales.

[kenneth]

The New Camaro's are junk. look at all the problems they are having with them right off the assembly line.
1) RECALL in first month of production for battery wire going to starter (a couple even caught fire with 40 miles on the clock)
2) front end is cracking at high speeds
3) door handles are breaking
4)cars can't ship to owners until computer get a reprogram.
and if you look around on the Camaro forums there's more than that.

Also I have yet to see a stock one even get close to running the advertised 13.0 times
best I've seen is 13.5 for the Manuals and 13.8 for the AUTO's
They even had a V6 running at our local track last weekend and his best run was 14.8

I had a 91 Camaro and that was the biggest piece of shit I ever bought, and from reading on the Camaro forums it don't look like nothing changed with Chevy.

[white03v6]

lol...they cant get anything right.