tell me about camaros

SWEET2KSTANG · November 14th, 2009, 01:42 AM

f-body over 4.6 hands down any day of the week, well, except for the ugly ass new camaro. everything is so much better about them minus the plugs. i personally lilke the lt1 as well, minus the opti. the only think i hate about the f-body is the pewny 7.5 out back.

takes h/c/i to make real power??? hell, it takes a hell of a lot more than that for the 4.6 to compete.

rk_2000_Z/28 · November 14th, 2009, 02:44 PM

ls1tech.com is a good place to start (and I'm not trying to be a smart ass at all). I learned so much about the cars after I joined. I wish I would have checked them out before I bought my first ls1 car than I would have realized I was paying way too much.

I'm a big fan of 4th gens, but they are a different animal compared to the Mustangs. The rearend is the #1 weak link, but I think they get a bad rap. I never had any problems with mine. And I'll say right now, I think the f-body rear is tougher than the IRS in the cobras.

As far as interior quality, from someone that has seat time in both cars, they both suck equally. My Z28 was a rattle trap, but my SS was vey sturdy and sound. I would place my Cobra just below my SS as far as noise and rattles, but I'm hopeing that once I get the entire full tilt boogie kit in some of that slop and rattle will stop.

DiZzyBonne · November 14th, 2009, 05:03 PM

Nothing wrong with a little boost. The 4.6 was practically made for boost, sans for the internals on the GTs

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N29468 · November 14th, 2009, 07:36 PM

I would go with the ls1 if your looking for more power. H/C/I will get you about 420-450 hp. You would need to put a lot more into a 4.6 to compete.

Jakashh · November 14th, 2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DiZzyBonne

The LT1 is meh imo. It's either an LSx or no go, so a '98+ Camaro would be the way to go. What's wrong with a 4.6? The LS1 responds well to mods, but you need H/C/I to start making real power in those cars.

O rly?

01 trans am ws6

365 rwhp with just bolt ons and full exhaust.

400 rwhp+ after a texas speed ms3 cam.

Just what do you consider "real power" to be?

98FireyGT! · November 16th, 2009, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by TrueBlue

LS1 Camaros and Trans Ams are fun a pain to work on but not impossible. I had a Trans Am enjoyed it modded it and then the ex-wife took it in the divorce. It depends on what you want in the end.

so your saying if you want to keep your nice car, not to get married?

pyschopath76 · November 16th, 2009, 09:05 AM

^ LOL!!

i would have burnt the car to the ground before i gave it to my ex-wife that is for sure!!

TrueBlue · November 20th, 2009, 08:50 PM

Yes that is what im saying.

buddyantunez1 · November 20th, 2009, 09:14 PM

IMO, the camaro is a bit more money to get into than a simple 2V GT or even some 3V's, but the potential they have is far better than the SOHC mustangs. Im not bashing on you 2V and 3V guys, but being able to put down 400+ with simple mods and run in the 11's fairly cheap after initial purchase is pretty damn good.

simple comparison in town... 03 Cobra(stage IV ported blower and boltons making 480whp) cant compete with a 02 SS Camaro(Cam, LT's, trac arm, misc suspension, and 150shot 400whp N/A). The cars are day and night to each other though. the Camaro eats the Cobra alive in the 1/4, but on a roll its somewhat close.

ESG-642T · November 21st, 2009, 04:04 AM

A bolt on cammed LS1 will make 400rwhp all day of the week....

a 12bolt/9" bolt on cammed LS1 + 150 shot will walk right down into the low 11/high 10 range.

DiZzyBonne · November 21st, 2009, 01:32 PM

I think I'm misinformed then. How much power is a H/C/I LS1 supposed to make, more than 420 RWHP?

buddyantunez1 · November 21st, 2009, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by DiZzyBonne

I think I'm misinformed then. How much power is a H/C/I LS1 supposed to make, more than 420 RWHP?

depends. buddy in town is making 400 with just a cam. 420 is at the bottom of the normal range, but id like to say 450 is about average.

ESG-642T · November 21st, 2009, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by DiZzyBonne

I think I'm misinformed then. How much power is a H/C/I LS1 supposed to make, more than 420 RWHP?

I've seen a few 460-470hp H/C cars dyno.

rk_2000_Z/28 · November 21st, 2009, 09:54 PM

420-450 is about average. The highest I've seen is just a hair over 500rwhp. That's VERY rare, but shows the pottential.

TrueBlue · November 22nd, 2009, 01:04 AM

I was making 415whp with my trans am all I had was a cam, intake, tb, cai, and headers with flowmaster american thunder cat back.

McMustang5.0 · November 23rd, 2009, 08:47 PM

I dont know if this will help you but my friend has a LT1 98 Camaro with the only mod being a K & N intake kit. I have a 84 Mustang 5.0 with a high rise and 4 barrel. I kick his ass every day of the week. His Camaro runs a 15.3-15.7 up here at mile high. My stang has ran its best time of 13.99.

Jakashh · November 23rd, 2009, 08:53 PM

98 Lt1?

The Manalishi · December 11th, 2009, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by McMustang5.0

I dont know if this will help you but my friend has a LT1 98 Camaro with the only mod being a K & N intake kit. I have a 84 Mustang 5.0 with a high rise and 4 barrel. I kick his ass every day of the week. His Camaro runs a 15.3-15.7 up here at mile high. My stang has ran its best time of 13.99.

No such thing as a 98 LT1, 97 was the last year for the LT1. My LT1 car ran 14.7 stock at Bandimere, I got it down to 12.30's. So either your friend can't drive, there is something wrong with his car or it was a hot day and the DA just sucked, not that its ever good up there.

redsMULLT1 · December 11th, 2009, 06:07 AM

Yeah 97 was the last year for F body LT1's. I've built more than a few of them, thats why LT1 is in my name.... I "like" a LSx motor, but the LT is just as easy to get decent power out of. The changing plugs issue isn't that bad. Jack the front and crawl underneath. I got it down to under 20 minutes for a 8 plug swap on a LTx. Plus now in my area you can get a LSx car for about the same price as a 87-93 fox....

Mid 15's on a LTx motor is horrible.

And for the record I hate the new gen Camaro's. And my sig was done way before this thread started...

Matt. · December 11th, 2009, 12:02 PM

Camaros scream dick magnet imo

November 14th, 2009, 01:42 AM	#21
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,430 iTrader: 8 reviews	f-body over 4.6 hands down any day of the week, well, except for the ugly ass new camaro. everything is so much better about them minus the plugs. i personally lilke the lt1 as well, minus the opti. the only think i hate about the f-body is the pewny 7.5 out back. takes h/c/i to make real power??? hell, it takes a hell of a lot more than that for the 4.6 to compete. __________________ project warhorse under construction being built by MP2 Performance

November 14th, 2009, 02:44 PM	#22
rk_2000_Z/28 Forever in our hearts travis_afx 2003 SVT Cobra Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Enid, OK Posts: 4,186 iTrader: 0 reviews	ls1tech.com is a good place to start (and I'm not trying to be a smart ass at all). I learned so much about the cars after I joined. I wish I would have checked them out before I bought my first ls1 car than I would have realized I was paying way too much. I'm a big fan of 4th gens, but they are a different animal compared to the Mustangs. The rearend is the #1 weak link, but I think they get a bad rap. I never had any problems with mine. And I'll say right now, I think the f-body rear is tougher than the IRS in the cobras. As far as interior quality, from someone that has seat time in both cars, they both suck equally. My Z28 was a rattle trap, but my SS was vey sturdy and sound. I would place my Cobra just below my SS as far as noise and rattles, but I'm hopeing that once I get the entire full tilt boogie kit in some of that slop and rattle will stop. __________________ 03 Cobra-Slow 02 SS, 00 Z/28-Gone Rest In Peace Travis Billings

November 14th, 2009, 05:03 PM	#23
DiZzyBonne Enthusiast 2001 Ford Mustang Bullitt Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bay Area Posts: 933 iTrader: 2 reviews	Nothing wrong with a little boost. The 4.6 was practically made for boost, sans for the internals on the GTs . __________________ Current mods: Maximum Motorsports XL Full Length Subframe Connectors Catted Bassani X-Pipe Borla Stinger Catbacks H&R Super Sport Springs MM Bullitt Crew Founder and Member #1

November 16th, 2009, 09:05 AM	#27
pyschopath76 Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT slow as sin.... Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 977 iTrader: 0 reviews	^ LOL!! i would have burnt the car to the ground before i gave it to my ex-wife that is for sure!! __________________ JLT Ram Air Intake/Accufab 70mm Throttle Body & Upper Plenum/SLP Longtube Headers/SLP Catted X-pipe/SLP LM1/4.10 gears Military Crew - AZ2(AW) Black Stang Member #6

November 20th, 2009, 08:50 PM	#28
TrueBlue Regular 2010 Roush 427R 2011 Jeep Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oceanside CA Posts: 364 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yes that is what im saying. __________________ USMC CREW 2010 Roush 427R

November 20th, 2009, 09:14 PM	#29
buddyantunez1 November 08 ROTM 2000 3.8L Mustang 195.9/220.8 hp/tq N/A Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Cleveland MS/Stafford VA Posts: 1,370 iTrader: 0 reviews	IMO, the camaro is a bit more money to get into than a simple 2V GT or even some 3V's, but the potential they have is far better than the SOHC mustangs. Im not bashing on you 2V and 3V guys, but being able to put down 400+ with simple mods and run in the 11's fairly cheap after initial purchase is pretty damn good. simple comparison in town... 03 Cobra(stage IV ported blower and boltons making 480whp) cant compete with a 02 SS Camaro(Cam, LT's, trac arm, misc suspension, and 150shot 400whp N/A). The cars are day and night to each other though. the Camaro eats the Cobra alive in the 1/4, but on a roll its somewhat close. __________________ ~Nitrous is like a Hot Girl with STD's, you know you wanna hit it, but your afraid of the consequences~

November 21st, 2009, 04:04 AM	#30
ESG-642T [8MINUS2] 2002, Ford, v6 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TEXAS Posts: 12,207 iTrader: 0 reviews	A bolt on cammed LS1 will make 400rwhp all day of the week.... a 12bolt/9" bolt on cammed LS1 + 150 shot will walk right down into the low 11/high 10 range. __________________ Hi, You can call me Kyle

November 21st, 2009, 01:32 PM	#31
DiZzyBonne Enthusiast 2001 Ford Mustang Bullitt Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bay Area Posts: 933 iTrader: 2 reviews	I think I'm misinformed then. How much power is a H/C/I LS1 supposed to make, more than 420 RWHP? __________________ Current mods: Maximum Motorsports XL Full Length Subframe Connectors Catted Bassani X-Pipe Borla Stinger Catbacks H&R Super Sport Springs MM Bullitt Crew Founder and Member #1

November 21st, 2009, 09:54 PM	#34
rk_2000_Z/28 Forever in our hearts travis_afx 2003 SVT Cobra Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Enid, OK Posts: 4,186 iTrader: 0 reviews	420-450 is about average. The highest I've seen is just a hair over 500rwhp. That's VERY rare, but shows the pottential. __________________ 03 Cobra-Slow 02 SS, 00 Z/28-Gone Rest In Peace Travis Billings

November 22nd, 2009, 01:04 AM	#35
TrueBlue Regular 2010 Roush 427R 2011 Jeep Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oceanside CA Posts: 364 iTrader: 0 reviews	I was making 415whp with my trans am all I had was a cam, intake, tb, cai, and headers with flowmaster american thunder cat back. __________________ USMC CREW 2010 Roush 427R

November 23rd, 2009, 08:47 PM	#36
McMustang5.0 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 595 iTrader: 0 reviews	I dont know if this will help you but my friend has a LT1 98 Camaro with the only mod being a K & N intake kit. I have a 84 Mustang 5.0 with a high rise and 4 barrel. I kick his ass every day of the week. His Camaro runs a 15.3-15.7 up here at mile high. My stang has ran its best time of 13.99.

November 23rd, 2009, 08:53 PM	#37
Jakashh hello Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,440 iTrader: 1 reviews	98 Lt1? __________________ "It's okay to eat fish 'Cause they don't have any feelings. Something in the way, mmm Something in the way, yeah, mmm" -Kurt Cobain

December 11th, 2009, 06:07 AM	#39
redsMULLT1 Regular 93 GT Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 185 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yeah 97 was the last year for F body LT1's. I've built more than a few of them, thats why LT1 is in my name.... I "like" a LSx motor, but the LT is just as easy to get decent power out of. The changing plugs issue isn't that bad. Jack the front and crawl underneath. I got it down to under 20 minutes for a 8 plug swap on a LTx. Plus now in my area you can get a LSx car for about the same price as a 87-93 fox.... Mid 15's on a LTx motor is horrible. And for the record I hate the new gen Camaro's. And my sig was done way before this thread started... __________________

December 11th, 2009, 12:02 PM	#40
Matt. Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Nitrous Injected V6 12's? Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chester County, PA Posts: 2,280 iTrader: 0 reviews	Camaros scream dick magnet imo __________________ Project Red Magic -Full Intake, Full Exhuast,Geared, Tune, Sprayed, Dropped- -18 Inch Hypercoated Saleens wrapped in Nittos-

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