[redsMULLT1]

Originally Posted by Matt Stang Camaros scream dick magnet imo

Why is that?

[The Manalishi]

Originally Posted by Matt Stang Camaros scream dick magnet imo

Good thing I drive a TA then.

[rk_2000_Z/28]

Originally Posted by Matt Stang Camaros scream dick magnet imo

LOL! I hate to say it, but it's true. Anyone that buys a camaro or mustang to get chicks is an idiot. Probably 95% of the people that gave me compliments or wanted to check out my camaros were dudes. The percentage of chicks is a little higher for the cobra, but not much.

[Matt.]

at least your not going for a challenger, screw dodge

[The Manalishi]

Originally Posted by rk_2000_Z/28 LAnyone that buys a camaro or mustang to get chicks is an idiot.

I would expand that to anyone that buys a car to get chicks is an idiot.

[drazga97]

Originally Posted by buddyantunez1 IMO, the camaro is a bit more money to get into than a simple 2V GT or even some 3V's.

what ls1s have you been looking at ive seen a few ls1s under 65k going for under 6k. they are actually cheaper than the 2vs even with the recent price drop.

4v supercharged > LS1 > 4v > 3v > lt1 > 2v

i would take a 2v over an lt1 anyday but pound for pound the gm engines make really impressive numbers with minor stuff.

H/C/I LS1 with a 150 shot is what im building next as a second car. i would never trade my cobra for a catfish or trans am though.

[rk_2000_Z/28]

Originally Posted by The Manalishi I would expand that to anyone that buys a car to get chicks is an idiot.

Maybe a Ferrari or some crazy shit like that. It wouldn't hurt your chances with the ladies.

[1979rs/z28]

Ha camaro being a chick magnet not happening neither was my gt, but the chicks do like my camaro though but it isnt what pulled them! Either way I like mine, it has its quirks like any car biggest one being the 10 bolt rear. Ive been lucky *knock on wood* with about 20 track passes with low 1.7 60's on it, just no clutch dumps!

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter And you need boost to make real power with the 4.6. What's your point?

This was true till the 2v Trick Flow heads came out. Someone on this forum is in the 11s N/A with his Auto 2v GT.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by Breakout they look like a catfish

Ahahahaha

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by drazga97 what ls1s have you been looking at ive seen a few ls1s under 65k going for under 6k. they are actually cheaper than the 2vs even with the recent price drop.

I bought my 02 GT with 8k miles on it for 12k. Basically I bought a practically brand-new 02 GT for over half the original cost of it.

I could NOT find any 02 Fbodies that were in as good of condition with even 20k miles on it that was less than 17k. And those were the autos. Most went for 20k+ for those cars. Even with the 17k ones I saved 5k. With 5k I could make my 2v faster than any stock LS1 being sold for 17k. Faster than a lot of modded ones too. Can you buy a older, higher mileage fbody that isn't as nice for less than 12k? Sure. But I didn't want one that was ran into the ground already.

[jdos1]

The LS1's are great motors. The LT-1's aren't bad, but theres not anywhere near as much after market as the LS series.

The difference between SS & Z28.
SS has a better air box adding close to 15 extra hp and a few suspension differences.
The LS1's can be modded very easily and cheaply.
The interior quality is just as good as the Mustang, if not slightly better.

We used to have a 01 LS1 Trans Am. I have a 02 GT Mustang....I loved the Trans Am to death but my mom couldn't see having to put premium in a car she drove 70 miles a day. My dad's idea to buy the car to begin with (Duhhhh). So she downgraded to a 04 Grand Prix GTP (not bad at all, still premium fuel though)...now she's down to a damn 08 Civic EX....I lost all respect for her car choosing abilities. lmao.

[McMustang5.0]

Ha my bad, its a 96 LT1. lol

[mrbigjeep]

lol don't even bother getting the lt1 if you wanna "start out with more power from the beginning" and have 350hp with bolt ons only

lol completely pointless. me and my buddies 6spd lt1 were even when stock and then with gear and x pipe it was an easy win for me.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by jdos1 The interior quality is just as good as the Mustang, if not slightly better.

No. They are about the same, the mustang having a slightly better interior as far as build quality goes.

I drove both cars extensively before choosing the Mustang. One of the main reasons? Interior quality. Not that the Mustang is fancy inside, it's not. The interior is simply put together better.

I have yet to drive in a fbody that didn't rattle shortly after bought.

Even ls1tech makes jokes about the constant rattling.

[AFTERMATH02GT]

I looked at both cars before i ended up purchasing my Mustang which i am very happy with my cousin is more of a camaro guy both cars are very fun to drive i just liked to look of the mustang better. All personal preference though

[drazga97]

Originally Posted by McMustang5.0 Ha my bad, its a 96 LT1. lol

you said in the street section it was a 96 swapped ls1 when i told you the 96s came with the lt1.

Originally Posted by DiZzyBonne The LT1 is meh imo. It's either an LSx or no go, so a '98+ Camaro would be the way to go. What's wrong with a 4.6? The LS1 responds well to mods, but you need H/C/I to start making real power in those cars.

hahhahahahahaha

Originally Posted by buddyantunez1 simple comparison in town... 03 Cobra(stage IV ported blower and boltons making 480whp) cant compete with a 02 SS Camaro(Cam, LT's, trac arm, misc suspension, and 150shot 400whp N/A). The cars are day and night to each other though. the Camaro eats the Cobra alive in the 1/4, but on a roll its somewhat close.

id hope that a car with IRS making 480rwhp would lose to a car making 400rwhp with out the 150 pill. what does it make on the 150? 525rwhp/580rwtq

[mpe331lx]

Where to start.....multim'fnquote FTW!

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter Z/28s and SSs run the exact same drivetrain, near as I know the only differences are aesthetic and MAYBE in springs/swaybars.

Pretty much the truth.

Originally Posted by MUSTANG_G since we're talking about power realistically i dont wanna be pushing more than 350-400 whp for reliability issues and the need to have to upgrade drivetrain. i do however plan on using a good NOS boost with either car.

That can be EASILY had with a cam only ls1 ("cam only" means the cam is the only engine mod, you still need full bolt ons)

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter People look down on them only because the LS1 is so much better.

More truth. And the main reason the ls1 is so much better is the heads on the ls1 are so much better in stock form. The next item is tunability. LS1's are much easier to tune for drivability with large cams.

Originally Posted by N29468 I would go with the ls1 if your looking for more power. H/C/I will get you about 420-450 hp. You would need to put a lot more into a 4.6 to compete.

H/C/I? 400-430 is typical cam only numbers, or very mild H/C/I. If you are going to spend the money on heads, why go mild when the same performance can be had cam only?

Originally Posted by ESG-642T A bolt on cammed LS1 will make 400rwhp all day of the week.... a 12bolt/9" bolt on cammed LS1 + 150 shot will walk right down into the low 11/high 10 range.

ANY day of the week.

Shit it would have the potential to run those times without the spray, on a car that is dialed in right (gears, suspension, slicks etc)

Originally Posted by DiZzyBonne I think I'm misinformed then. How much power is a H/C/I LS1 supposed to make, more than 420 RWHP?

Depends on the combo. I have seen some mismatched, poor tuned H/C/I ls1s put down 370 LMFAO, then average cam only cars putting down 415 and agressive ones doing 440! There have been some really stout H/C cars that have done 500 or just under.

Originally Posted by jdos1 The LS1's are great motors. The LT-1's aren't bad, but theres not anywhere near as much after market as the LS series. The difference between SS & Z28. SS has a better air box adding close to 15 extra hp and a few suspension differences. The LS1's can be modded very easily and cheaply. The interior quality is just as good as the Mustang, if not slightly better.

The airbox and ram air did not effect the cars true HP numbers. On the dyno, z28s and standard T/A's put down the same nubers as the SS and ram air cars. The ram air might help at slightly at speeds, but it does nothing real power.

And the LT1's have had a pretty good surge in aftermarket support as of late. there have been some records broken and the basic H/C pacages are not to shabby.

Like Reverend Dexter stated, the LT gets a bad rap due to the better performing LS. But a well running LT1 is quite a bit quicker then most think.

An LT1 can be a great platform to start out with.
My wifes 97 has been a strong runner from the start: with full exhaust, Cai, and an EWP, it ran consistant low 13's @ 106-107 (13.12 @ 107 was the best). Those were with soft launches (like 2.2 60fts) It put down 292/321.

I added a set of factory heads ported and a fairly mild custom cam, supporting valvetrain, along with a 58mm TB (not really needed, a 52 would have suffised), and a set of 04 Cobra 39lb injectors. Tuned it put down 412/367 with closed exhaust and some slip from the stock clutch.

I added a 3" cutout (exhaust cutouts make a HUGE difference in the f bodys), mcleod clutch, and 4.10s. Still launching soft due to the stock 10 bolt, I was able to run consistant high 11's @ 120-122 (11.7 @ 122 was the best, with a 1.9 60 ft). It was full weight aside from running the welds off of my cobra (dual bolt pattern FTW!)

It is on stock suspension right now, with some supension and a stout rear, I'm looking at hitting an 11.3x if I can get a 1.5 60ft


The rear end is one if any 4th gens shortcomings. The weak 7.5" 10 bolt is on borrowd time with dragstrip launches. The key to making it live (much like the Cobra IRS), is to avoid axle hop.


The t56 is a strong trans that can take a lot of abuse. The GM version already has a 26spl input shaft. If and when you do have to rebuild it, upgrade to billet 3-4 slider keys, bronze 1-2, 3-4 shift pads, and a steel 3-4 shift fork, and you will have a trans that should take mostly everything that you throw at it.