Dodge Viper

forensicsteve · July 9th, 2011, 07:41 PM

Firstly, you don't see many and they are a very misunderstood vehicle. I am on my second one and can drive weeks without seeing another.

Two reasons: production has always been extremely low. There have been a total of around 25,000 built since its beginning back in 1992. Compare that to about 2,500,000 mustangs for the same period. 2007 was a great production year for the S197 with around 150,000 built. That means that more mustangs were built in the first 3 months of 07 than all the vipers ever produced.

Other reason is that they wreck a lot. My local Dodge dealer states that 50% of the vipers they have sold since 2006 have been totalled, as in gone forever. The reason for the disproportionate amount of single vehicle viper accidents is that they have few of the safety controls that come with mustangs, vettes, and such (look at my sig). Lots of folk just do not have the driving skills necessary and the results are predictable.

I have lost control of both my vipers a few times, but regained control and no wreck (just lucky maybe). I don't street race and don't show off in the car. The misunderstood part is that folk expect me to engage in spirited driving all the time and be a light to light racer. If you come across a black with silver striped viper and want to race... not happening.

YukonBlizzard · July 9th, 2011, 11:12 PM

Beautiful Viper man! I have a 96 RT with similar color combo...

B's04gt · July 9th, 2011, 11:19 PM

I have a red viper but its strictly a race car...

BWAL · July 9th, 2011, 11:22 PM

sweet cars.. here's a picture of mine:

B's04gt · July 9th, 2011, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by BWAL

sweet cars.. here's a picture of mine:

There is no picture..

BWAL · July 9th, 2011, 11:26 PM

B's04gt · July 9th, 2011, 11:27 PM

YukonBlizzard · July 9th, 2011, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by BWAL

sweet cars.. here's a picture of mine:

Fixed

BWAL · July 9th, 2011, 11:30 PM

that's better lol

B's04gt · July 9th, 2011, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by YukonBlizzard

Fixed

Holy shit

Shelbydog! · July 10th, 2011, 12:05 AM

I'd post a picture of my viper but I'm spending the weekend on the yacht. I'll have Nigel post a picture asap. Wish u were here!

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ReverendDexter · July 10th, 2011, 12:36 AM

Another issue with Vipers, especially the 1st gens, is that what would normally be just a fender bender can total out the car. That front clamshell is what, $15k before shipping, paint, and bodywork?

It'll be interesting to see what Chrysler has up their sleeve as the new Viper that's supposed to be out next year (I think). I'm wondering if they're gonna keep it as a total upper echelon halo car, or if they're gonna bring it downmarket just a smidge, say where it competes pricewise with the base-model Corvette. It'll also be interesting to see what engine they put in it. With the replacement SRT-8 motors pushing high 400s, the Viper is either gonna have to swing 600+ or Chysler is gonna have to hit hard with a marketing campaign educating potential buyers on the awesomeness of light weight (i.e 450hp in a 2300 lb car).

We'll see... Dodge's new president is definitely a car guy... hopefully he can get that past the bean counters.

forensicsteve · July 10th, 2011, 09:52 AM

Thanks for sharing pics of your vipers. Mine is 100% stock and likely staying that way. I modded the stang quite heavily, enjoyed the experience, and now that time has past for me. My new money pit project is building a house...lol

Rumours abound for the 2013 Gen V. Mostly it's going to still be very limited production, V10 (or there will be riots in viperland), maybe up to as much as 700 hp n/a, a lot more user-friendly per new Federal guidelines and something that might appeal to the twin-turbo Porsche and $ 120+K crowd.

JoshC! · July 10th, 2011, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter

Another issue with Vipers, especially the 1st gens, is that what would normally be just a fender bender can total out the car. That front clamshell is what, $15k before shipping, paint, and bodywork?

It'll be interesting to see what Chrysler has up their sleeve as the new Viper that's supposed to be out next year (I think). I'm wondering if they're gonna keep it as a total upper echelon halo car, or if they're gonna bring it downmarket just a smidge, say where it competes pricewise with the base-model Corvette. It'll also be interesting to see what engine they put in it. With the replacement SRT-8 motors pushing high 400s, the Viper is either gonna have to swing 600+ or Chysler is gonna have to hit hard with a marketing campaign educating potential buyers on the awesomeness of light weight (i.e 450hp in a 2300 lb car).

We'll see... Dodge's new president is definitely a car guy... hopefully he can get that past the bean counters.

the new vipers already have 600hp as they sit. i could see that going up due to the vette being at 634hp(zr1) now.

blally89 · July 10th, 2011, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by B's04gt

I have a red viper but its strictly a race car...

I wish I had one of these

supermachone · July 11th, 2011, 03:17 AM

i love vipers

slo89notch · July 11th, 2011, 04:45 PM

vipers are cool, i see them at my track all the time (theres a kid that brings an older blue white stripe gts out almost religiously)
and their quick and the acr is stupid fast

BWAL · July 11th, 2011, 04:53 PM

a middle aged woman in my area owns a black and white ACR

JakeM · July 11th, 2011, 07:48 PM

There are quite a few in my area. Which is fairly surprising compared to the population. I see one or two at least once or twice a week. I know there is a full bolt-on black viper with some REALLY nice wheels rolling around. Sounds like sex at a stop light.

Tang Stang · July 12th, 2011, 09:16 AM

A friend of mine picked one up a couple years ago. It's bone stock, but still a pretty fun cruiser. When it was time for new rear tires....

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...perburnout.mp4

July 9th, 2011, 07:41 PM	#1
forensicsteve Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,283 iTrader: 0 reviews	Dodge Viper Firstly, you don't see many and they are a very misunderstood vehicle. I am on my second one and can drive weeks without seeing another. Two reasons: production has always been extremely low. There have been a total of around 25,000 built since its beginning back in 1992. Compare that to about 2,500,000 mustangs for the same period. 2007 was a great production year for the S197 with around 150,000 built. That means that more mustangs were built in the first 3 months of 07 than all the vipers ever produced. Other reason is that they wreck a lot. My local Dodge dealer states that 50% of the vipers they have sold since 2006 have been totalled, as in gone forever. The reason for the disproportionate amount of single vehicle viper accidents is that they have few of the safety controls that come with mustangs, vettes, and such (look at my sig). Lots of folk just do not have the driving skills necessary and the results are predictable. I have lost control of both my vipers a few times, but regained control and no wreck (just lucky maybe). I don't street race and don't show off in the car. The misunderstood part is that folk expect me to engage in spirited driving all the time and be a light to light racer. If you come across a black with silver striped viper and want to race... not happening.

July 9th, 2011, 11:12 PM	#2
YukonBlizzard Regular 2005 Mustang GT Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 60 iTrader: 0 reviews	Beautiful Viper man! I have a 96 RT with similar color combo... __________________

July 9th, 2011, 11:22 PM	#4
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July 9th, 2011, 11:26 PM	#6
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July 9th, 2011, 11:30 PM	#9
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July 10th, 2011, 12:05 AM	#11
Shelbydog! MM sticker peddler slowmatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: OK Posts: 1,780 iTrader: 4 reviews	I'd post a picture of my viper but I'm spending the weekend on the yacht. I'll have Nigel post a picture asap. Wish u were here! [IMG][/IMG]

July 10th, 2011, 12:36 AM	#12
ReverendDexter Priest of the Car Gods Clapped-out '90 GT 'vert ~5.5 seconds off TTOD :( Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 13,808 iTrader: 0 reviews	Another issue with Vipers, especially the 1st gens, is that what would normally be just a fender bender can total out the car. That front clamshell is what, $15k before shipping, paint, and bodywork? It'll be interesting to see what Chrysler has up their sleeve as the new Viper that's supposed to be out next year (I think). I'm wondering if they're gonna keep it as a total upper echelon halo car, or if they're gonna bring it downmarket just a smidge, say where it competes pricewise with the base-model Corvette. It'll also be interesting to see what engine they put in it. With the replacement SRT-8 motors pushing high 400s, the Viper is either gonna have to swing 600+ or Chysler is gonna have to hit hard with a marketing campaign educating potential buyers on the awesomeness of light weight (i.e 450hp in a 2300 lb car). We'll see... Dodge's new president is definitely a car guy... hopefully he can get that past the bean counters. __________________ O o /¯/______________________ \|BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!! \_\

July 10th, 2011, 09:52 AM	#13
forensicsteve Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,283 iTrader: 0 reviews	Thanks for sharing pics of your vipers. Mine is 100% stock and likely staying that way. I modded the stang quite heavily, enjoyed the experience, and now that time has past for me. My new money pit project is building a house...lol Rumours abound for the 2013 Gen V. Mostly it's going to still be very limited production, V10 (or there will be riots in viperland), maybe up to as much as 700 hp n/a, a lot more user-friendly per new Federal guidelines and something that might appeal to the twin-turbo Porsche and $ 120+K crowd. Last edited by forensicsteve; July 10th, 2011 at 10:02 AM.

July 11th, 2011, 03:17 AM	#16
supermachone Shake N' Bake 1984 Corvette Kessel Run @ Less Than 12 Parsecs Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 5,077 iTrader: 2 reviews	i love vipers __________________ BONER CREW EMPLOYEE - PACKAGE INSPECTOR #1

July 11th, 2011, 04:45 PM	#17
slo89notch Regular Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 77 iTrader: 0 reviews	vipers are cool, i see them at my track all the time (theres a kid that brings an older blue white stripe gts out almost religiously) and their quick and the acr is stupid fast

July 11th, 2011, 04:53 PM	#18
BWAL MSTRB8N & MDR8N 2021 Mustang V15 Quad Turbo with nawz Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: On The Shaft Posts: 19,659 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 4 reviews	a middle aged woman in my area owns a black and white ACR __________________ MM 1 am boner crew Cars and mod list in garage i like veiny meat sliding between my buttcheeks

July 12th, 2011, 09:16 AM	#20
Tang Stang Hardcore Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 1,961 iTrader: 2 reviews	A friend of mine picked one up a couple years ago. It's bone stock, but still a pretty fun cruiser. When it was time for new rear tires.... http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...perburnout.mp4 __________________ Rod @ AzzKicker Cars 2004 Ford Mustang GT-The Driver-BBK CAI, PP TB & Inlet, Steeda UD's, SLP LM1, & 3.73's. 1990 Mercury Cougar XR7-The Meth Addict-5.0L DOHC Stroker w/2.1L KB SC. 1995 Ford F150-Mud Toy-5.0L, 4x4, 33's, & Warn 8274 Winch

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