[83fox]

id take a 03-04 cobra over any camaro anyday. the value of the termi cars are goin up, i dont exactly see that happen for the camaros

[Vamp89]

Argue what you will but stangs are badass some chevys are badass, and without this rivalry what would we have.

[ujslost]

Originally Posted by Vamp89 Argue what you will but stangs are badass some chevys are badass, and without this rivalry what would we have.

LOL who is argueing?
But ford vs chevy has been forever, and its been dead for a few years nearly and its time for some competition from chevy. and its time ford got off their asses and done something worth running home about, besides the cobra and the gt500. Personally Id rather see the TransAm come back instead of the slowmaro.

[Vamp89]

I didn't mean arguing seriously thats just how I put it.

[ujslost]

Originally Posted by Vamp89 I didn't mean arguing seriously thats just how I put it.

Yeah I know!

Ive owned some camaros only had 1 I actually liked.

[Vamp89]

I had 3 camaros 1 Indy edition trans am and 1 built 355 firebird. Hated seeing the pace car go.

[ujslost]

Had a 78 camaro type LT in highschool. Loved that thing for some reason.

[83fox]

the camaro guy has done pretty well. i do wish the mustang gt had a higher horsepower rating from the factory though

[Vamp89]

The only thing I didn't understand is why they were always autos I hated that. LOL

[ujslost]

the mustang gt is getting like the camaro rs, base, nothing worth a shit, gotta step up to a cobra or z28

[Vamp89]

Originally Posted by 83fox the camaro guy has done pretty well. i do wish the mustang gt had a higher horsepower rating from the factory though

Thats why you mod.

[ujslost]

Originally Posted by Vamp89 The only thing I didn't understand is why they were always autos I hated that. LOL

My 82 wasnt!

[Vamp89]

Hmmmmmmmm intresting 4 or 5speed, 305 or 350

[ujslost]

well when i got it , it was an auto, but factory it was manual. so i dont know what trans it had. I know that they just pushed the clutch pedal up and behind the carpet, thats how I found out it had been a manual from the factory. I think it was a 305. I dont think I owned any f bodies that were 350s. I had an 84 bird , 85 ta also. The ta was the best of them all. Although it wasnt the tune port which would have been nice.

[rk_2000_Z/28]

Originally Posted by 83fox its all good, but all i really get to see for chevy "performance" up here is 80's and early 90's camaros, and the new corvettes. but there is an svt lightning around that has stomped on any bow tie its ever come across. dont act like ford cant keep up with chevy, if i recall correctly, the chevy 454 ss truck was a joke compared even to the first gen lightning. chevy has a nasty habit of putting big heavy motors in cars that make a little more horsepower than fords small block motors.

I'll be the first to say that the 82-92 Camaros are jokes. I've had three of them and they were dog slow. When I bought my first LS1 (stock) I thought I was king shit...until I got shut down by one of the nastiest Fox Bodies I've ever come across.

I'm sure that Lightning is bad ass. I've seen some bad ass L trucks in the past. There are a lot of bad ass cars out there. It doesn't matter what emblem is on the front, all that matters is how big the owners wallet is.

And I never said that Ford can't keep up with Chevy. I was just replying to your statement that Mustangs have always been a step ahead of Camaros. That was something I didn't really agree with is all. The 454SS trucks are a joke! But they are fun to fuck with when you run into one with a redneck behind the wheel that thinks he has a world beater.

Originally Posted by 817B!GT3X What about the 03-04 Terminator Cobra they smoke the 2002 Camaro SS

The Termis' are a far superior car in a lot of ways. That is one of the reasons why my SS is going up for sale in a few days . But I wouldn't go so far as to say 'smoke' the average 1/4 time is about 13.3 compared to 12.8 stock for stock. I know that some guys have gone 12.5 (or a little better) but on the same hand some guys have gone 12.9 (or slightly better) in a bone stock LS1...but who leaves there shit stock

Originally Posted by 1989Gt. i love how the camaro guy got so mad... we are just saying bro dont pop a blood vessel

I never got mad. I was just replying to a statement that I didn't really agree with. The bad thing about the internet is that is almost impossible to relay your 'tone' like you can in a one on one, personal conversation. If I came off as trying to act all bad ass and defensive than that's my bad and I'll say right now that is not what my intentions were. Anyone that knows me personally would vouche that I'm far from the type to take things like this personally. They are just cars and right now I happen to own one that is made by Chevrolet.

Originally Posted by ujslost Didnt look like he got mad. I think he handles himself well to be on a stang site. Hes been a good memeber here, and I dont recall ever talking smack to anyone here about camaro vs stang.

thanks. I realize what site I'm on. It just takes common sense and the ability to know when NOT to post something.

Originally Posted by 83fox id take a 03-04 cobra over any camaro anyday. the value of the termi cars are goin up, i dont exactly see that happen for the camaros

Again, they are a superior car in many ways and in a much higher price range, but the value of these cars is actually dropping. I've wanted one since I first saw one and have followed the market pretty closely. They are actually dropping quite a bit and a lot of the guys on SVTP are practically giving them away. Now is the time to buy one...and that's what I intend to do!!!

[ryans88gt]

Originally Posted by rk_2000_Z/28 Again, they are a superior car in many ways and in a much higher price range, but the value of these cars is actually dropping. I've wanted one since I first saw one and have followed the market pretty closely. They are actually dropping quite a bit and a lot of the guys on SVTP are practically giving them away. Now is the time to buy one...and that's what I intend to do!!!

I don't know about prices dropping, in 05 you could get into a terminator with low miles (20K or less) in pristine condition for about 24-25K sometimes less. Now in 08 for a similar low miles car you will pay at least as much, maybe more. The difference now is there are a lot more modded and abused and 50K mile cars with valve noise for sale for lower prices. If you see any really good deals though, let me know.

BTW, I didn't really mean this to be a ford vs. chevy thing, I was just commenting on how far off chevy seems to be with this car. How many people are really going to shell out $38,000 for a V8 Camaro that has questionable looks? I can think of about 20 other cars I'd rather have for $38,000 including a 3 series BMW. Don't get me wrong, I think ford is a little off its rocker on pricing of the GT500 (especially the KR), but they aren't having any problems selling them. GM always struggled to sell the fbodies. I would think a $25K base model V8 that gets good gas mileage like the vette V8 would be more in line with what people want and what the pony cars are all about. Shit, hyundai is going to release a 310 hp rear wheel drive tiburon/genesis for $25K next year with a 10 year warranty. Can the US cars compete with that with offerings like this camaro?
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[83fox]

Originally Posted by rk_2000_Z/28 I'll be the first to say that the 82-92 Camaros are jokes. I've had three of them and they were dog slow. When I bought my first LS1 (stock) I thought I was king shit...until I got shut down by one of the nastiest Fox Bodies I've ever come across. I'm sure that Lightning is bad ass. I've seen some bad ass L trucks in the past. There are a lot of bad ass cars out there. It doesn't matter what emblem is on the front, all that matters is how big the owners wallet is. And I never said that Ford can't keep up with Chevy. I was just replying to your statement that Mustangs have always been a step ahead of Camaros. That was something I didn't really agree with is all. The 454SS trucks are a joke! But they are fun to fuck with when you run into one with a redneck behind the wheel that thinks he has a world beater. The Termis' are a far superior car in a lot of ways. That is one of the reasons why my SS is going up for sale in a few days . But I wouldn't go so far as to say 'smoke' the average 1/4 time is about 13.3 compared to 12.8 stock for stock. I know that some guys have gone 12.5 (or a little better) but on the same hand some guys have gone 12.9 (or slightly better) in a bone stock LS1...but who leaves there shit stock I never got mad. I was just replying to a statement that I didn't really agree with. The bad thing about the internet is that is almost impossible to relay your 'tone' like you can in a one on one, personal conversation. If I came off as trying to act all bad ass and defensive than that's my bad and I'll say right now that is not what my intentions were. Anyone that knows me personally would vouche that I'm far from the type to take things like this personally. They are just cars and right now I happen to own one that is made by Chevrolet. thanks. I realize what site I'm on. It just takes common sense and the ability to know when NOT to post something. Again, they are a superior car in many ways and in a much higher price range, but the value of these cars is actually dropping. I've wanted one since I first saw one and have followed the market pretty closely. They are actually dropping quite a bit and a lot of the guys on SVTP are practically giving them away. Now is the time to buy one...and that's what I intend to do!!!

wow i never thought id meet a chevy guy that id agree almost fully on. i never meant to say ford was king shit, im just saying chevy is still trying to chase the mustang by re-releasing the camaro. and like ryan said, termi cars are cheap if theyve had a hard life, but if you find a weekend driven car owned by someone in their late 30s to 40s that just wanted a cobra to drive, its gonna be about 25-30k for an unmolested, low mile cobra