[plak424]

Hey guys I'm in the market for a new stang and I'm looking to build it to be a decent auto-x car. I was thinking of a notch back fox as a decent starting platform. What do you guys think? any suggestions?

[Smilieboy]

What class do you want to run? The Shelby GT does well in F stock.

[Whiskey11]

Originally Posted by Smilieboy What class do you want to run? The Shelby GT does well in F stock.

The Shelby GT dominates F-Stock and will probably remain that way until Ford bests it as I doubt any Camaro or Challenger will be able to challenge it. The new 2011's and 2012's are probably the closest to competing with it.

[AMChrisYoung]

What class do you want to race in? What kind of experience and backround do you have? I see an FSAE car in your signature, did you build/race it?

F-stock and the Shelby GT are a great pair because you could have a new, reliable car and drive it to the race ready to go. It will be hard to set FTD or PAX, but Sam Strano has shown that it's definitely possible.

[JakeM]

Budget is the number one thing we need to know besides class.

As far as price goes:
SN95's seem to be the cheapest.
Fox's and New Edge's are close to the same for a clean one.
S197's and Cobra's are nearing the same range.


All depends on what you want. Gotta love our aftermarket!

[Smilieboy]

Actually, i want to see how one of the new V6s would do.

[JakeM]

Originally Posted by Smilieboy Actually, i want to see how one of the new V6s would do.

A full suspended 2011 V6 would be fun as hell. I don't think you could beat it hard enough. . .

[EscortSportage]

anything with a shelby badge is over priced. buy a cheap fox and call Maximum Motorsports

[94racing]

Originally Posted by EscortSportage anything with a shelby badge is over priced.

but it runs good too though and definitely looks good.

Originally Posted by EscortSportage buy a cheap fox and call Maximum Motorsports

or griggs. more money but definitely nice stuff. just no agent 47 crap.

[ReverendDexter]

SN95 has a LOT of little improvements over a foxbody that will make your life much easier on an AX course. However, all fox-chassis Mustangs ('79-'04) pretty much suck without serious modification. They're nose-heavy, overall heavy, bumpsteer, have dynamic camber loss at stock ride height (that only gets worse as you lower it), tons of chassis flex, rear suspension that doesn't keep the rear axle located worth a damn and binds like a bastard, and on top of that the seats don't hold you very well.

If you can get into a S197, you'll be MUCH better off. Stock to stock, even a sixxer S197 is gonna be a faster car through the twisties than any '79-'04 except for MAYBE a '99/01 Cobra.

Of course, as has been said several times, it really depends on if you're trying to be competitive, and if you are, what class you're competing in.

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by 94racing but it runs good too though and definitely looks good. or griggs. more money but definitely nice stuff. just no agent 47 crap.

What don't you like about Agent47? I know Ernesto Rocco swapped from the Griggs SLA to the Agent47 unit and found a bunch of time with it, but that's about all I know abou them other than the Harbinger.

[Whiskey11]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter If you can get into a S197, you'll be MUCH better off. Stock to stock, even a sixxer S197 is gonna be a faster car through the twisties than any '79-'04 except for MAYBE a '99/01 Cobra. Of course, as has been said several times, it really depends on if you're trying to be competitive, and if you are, what class you're competing in.

This. At oskaloosa airport last month I ran consistently faster times than a 99 cobra and he was modified and I'm bone stock down to tires and wheels. The s197 as a whole is a much better platform. It certainly isn't cheap or light weight.

The shelby gt is a killer car for the price and would do well in the more restrictive classes because it has a ton of factory upgrades that don't hurt it in classing. Once you start into the more open classes it will require less mods to be competitive.

[Jazzer The Cat]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter What don't you like about Agent47? I know Ernesto Rocco swapped from the Griggs SLA to the Agent47 unit and found a bunch of time with it, but that's about all I know abou them other than the Harbinger.

I was gonna ask the same question of why not the Agent47

In regards to Rocco finding a bunch of time, I have seen that vid of its promotion and willing to bet nearly anything, that there was more to the story than met the eye on that one My guess is the Griggs unit he had prior, just was set up differently. Likely caster and amount of neg. camber gain through compression was different kind of stuff. No disrespect to Agent47, but I have serious doubts that they have figured out something big that Griggs doesn't know as well. Most likely, just a set-up thing, based on familiarity with that particular track in which the record was made.

Jazzer

[94racing]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter What don't you like about Agent47? I know Ernesto Rocco swapped from the Griggs SLA to the Agent47 unit and found a bunch of time with it, but that's about all I know abou them other than the Harbinger.

jeff wood (owns the local dealership) had an agent 47 setup on his car and every weekend he would be replacing k members and other random suspension parts on the car if it didnt finish him for the weekend before he started the race

the main problem we had with his car is that he would come in from a session and the whole kmember would be all twisted and looked like sombody had beat the fck out of it with a hammer then got some huge channel locks and twisted it around. we went to putnam park and we welded the kmember and mounting brackets with multiple reinforcing tabs to insure it staid in place and it still ended up twisting around where the reenforced peices are.

he is now running a custom setup made by pauls automotive in cincinatti ohio with a few griggs parts for the rest of the setup.

heres the video of the last straw from agent 47 kmember. the mounting bracket snapped and then tie rod snapped in half then the rest was a cobbled up mess and they towed him back and put him in the trailor as soon as he got back he was done.
part of the funny thing was we about used some economy modified dirt car parts to put it back together for the weekend. they bolted right up to the top sla mounts.
its the black car in this photo. (car will be for sale soon he just got a boss 302 in white)
another funny thing is jeff put his last agent 47 item on the car just cause it had been sitting in the trailor. it was an agent 47 shift knob and he went 2 sessions and broke the shifter knob in half. i guess its arguable if he shifts hard tho but it broke right where the bolts go into it.
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Off Course at Mid Ohio in Lexington, Oh. - YouTube

Off Course at Mid Ohio in Lexington, Oh. - YouTube

as for maximum motorsports they have good priced dependable parts. i have no experience with them but jay (american iron series director) loves the setup he has currently on his car and he has ran years on his current setup.


i agree with jazzer i dont see them picking up seconds unless their prior setup was off. i do however see it if they changed from those horrible brakes that griggs has. we couldnt stop at all. it was horrible they were crap and we can go in about 200 more feet into a braking zone without them now. hell yes to stoptech. i do want to know if the brembos are any better than the stoptech though? havent seen a comparison yet but i assume it also depends on how youre car is set up?