[bens98gt]

Out the one million Griggs vs. MM search finds on google, they dont really answer much of the question lol. I want to know in all out racing suspension which one is the best? and of course the ultimate goal is all out race. And also is there any suspension componants that MM has better than Griggs? (or vice-versa). I know I wont be gittin any of it soon, but doin research till then haha.

[ReverendDexter]

Griggs is the best; the exception that proves the rule is MM's CC plates.

Now, while I say that, I run MM parts exclusively. I can't justify the price difference when the most I can win is a t-shirt and some pride, and the MM parts are still better than pretty much anything else out there.

[94racing]

really have no clue what to tell you we run griggs and other guys run mm and its all competative. never see anything good outa a47 at all. not even shift knobs

[bens98gt]

ok so pretty much MM is competative with griggs. Im just lookin around to see whats the better deal too. Its lookin like MM. and ive been lookin at the a47 stuff and it looks ok, not great. but is there any advantage to the griggs sla setup over MM stuff?

[94racing]

Ive heard its stronger but i dont want to conpletely say that. Griggs suspendion was designed originally for youre bodystyle of car and on youre car they woop everybody up. Then on s197 they "revamped" the car with the exclusion of the brakes. They are horrible horrible brakes. As for the mm stuff people end up spending that lesser dollar amount but really i think it depends on how you set you car up to be the key to mm parts. I have also seen where they do everything in griggs and some of the sla parts in mm and they are very fast cars. . Just really depends what you want... But with griggs you get what you paid for

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by bens98gt is there any advantage to the griggs sla setup over MM stuff?

Of course. The MM stuff is still using a McPherson strut, so you're basically going to see the typical advantages (and disadvantages) of going from McPs to an SLA.

Now, rumor has it that MM is working on their own SLA front end, and I saw ONCE on Griggs' site a link for SLA towers for the MM K-member (it was gone the next time I checked).

[Jazzer The Cat]

^ Lies! LIES!!!

[bens98gt]

if MM developes its own sla i know it would be cheaper and id get that lol. and also as for price, ill probly be starting with the MM stuff and get some griggs later. The more i research the sla, i want one haha

[ReverendDexter]

SLA is better from a geometry standpoint, but it's at least double the price of a good McP setup (and I'm pretty sure heavier), so the question becomes is it significantly better enough to justify the price?

I don't pay as much attention to American Iron as I should, but if the SLA cars had a significant advantage where lap times were concerned, I'd expect to hear more about it from the few companies that sell them.

Also consider that BMW and Porsche continue to use McPs up front, both with great success.

[bens98gt]

im guessing the only justification would be that if you were looking for the last few tenths a lap and had the money for it haha. And as for the american iron series the reason its so good is it allows you to run 315 wide tires up front resulting in a ton of grip. as for BMW and Porsche, i know porsche's got mcp setup, but they can run those wide tires up front for grip too.

[Whiskey11]

Originally Posted by bens98gt im guessing the only justification would be that if you were looking for the last few tenths a lap and had the money for it haha. And as for the american iron series the reason its so good is it allows you to run 315 wide tires up front resulting in a ton of grip. as for BMW and Porsche, i know porsche's got mcp setup, but they can run those wide tires up front for grip too.

The s197 platform can run 315s all around with the right offset wheels and camber with just camber plates and everything else facotry.

I don't think the MacPhearson strut is such a horrible design. With the right springs and antiroll bars they seem to do just fine. Maybe not ideal, but well enough. Besides tire companies are responding with tires that require high camber to work properly anyway which seems to mitigate the issue entirely. The realization is that even though the SLA configuration is superior in handling, it is bigger and more expensive to produce and requires more work to get the geometry right, where a simple MacPhearson strut set up is cheap, light weight, easy to build and tune and works for 95% of the cars sold.

It's not perfect by any stretch, but it is workable. The SN95's kind of got the lamer MacPhearson strut set up, but it's still workable. Proper coil overs go a long way. The S197 platform doesn't have that issue nearly as much.

Also, I know Reverend knows this, but just because X or Y company runs them on their top of the line sports car doesn't mean it's perfect. Some would argue the same holds true in the Live Axle vs IRS department. How many track Mustangs retain the live rear axle in comparison to an IRS or developing an IRS? It doesn't necessarily mean the live axle is superior in any way but people make them work with astonishing results!!!

[94racing]

Originally Posted by Whiskey11 The s197 platform can run 315s all around with the right offset wheels and camber with just camber plates and everything else facotry.

im running 315 toyos all around on my 03. i just cant get any more lock out of it than 1 turn. which i dont need anymore than that unless im sliding uncontrolably

i havent seen any american iron guys with s197 and struts but there is a fox body that is set up on struts hes half a second a lap slower but we also have other goodies though.

[EscortSportage]

Quote on quote... From an mm rep, i called an asked about mm making an sla setup...


He said "" griggs has an sla....we win races

Sla would greatly improve comfort on the street, but like whisky said u setup a macpherson setup and you will not regret it

[EscortSportage]

Yea u can have a better camber setup

[94racing]

Originally Posted by EscortSportage Quote on quote... From an mm rep, i called an asked about mm making an sla setup... He said "" griggs has an sla....we win races Sla would greatly improve comfort on the street, but like whisky said u setup a macpherson setup and you will not regret it

to what the mm rep said. griggs wins races too. all they are going to do is argue over whos better no matter if you call griggs or mm. i want to look into the macpherson strut some because im looking into a cmc car and im sure they would throw a fit about it not being such and such strut.

[Whiskey11]

Originally Posted by 94racing to what the mm rep said. griggs wins races too. all they are going to do is argue over whos better no matter if you call griggs or mm. i want to look into the macpherson strut some because im looking into a cmc car and im sure they would throw a fit about it not being such and such strut.

Is this for your SN95 or your dad's S197??? The thing about MacPherson Struts is that you really have to limit their movement to make the most out of them. Their constantly changing camber curve is a real BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH. I believe Rev Dex said (sarcastically) in another thread, that one way to get the MacPherson Strut to work is to "Prevent it from working". In otherwords, limit it's motion to the area just before you start getting positive camber in a corner. The problem is this makes the car extremely stiff and we all know how that goes....

[94racing]

Originally Posted by Whiskey11 Is this for your SN95 or your dad's S197??? The thing about MacPherson Struts is that you really have to limit their movement to make the most out of them. Their constantly changing camber curve is a real BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH. I believe Rev Dex said (sarcastically) in another thread, that one way to get the MacPherson Strut to work is to "Prevent it from working". In otherwords, limit it's motion to the area just before you start getting positive camber in a corner. The problem is this makes the car extremely stiff and we all know how that goes....

no dads cars already sla and set up near perfect.
this is the cmc car im looking at and would think about experimenting with that though. (hehe then i could put a actual racecar in rotm not just my hpde car cause itd be mine)
1994 Ford Mustang near NASA CMC race ready For Sale

[Whiskey11]

Originally Posted by 94racing no dads cars already sla and set up near perfect. this is the cmc car im looking at and would think about experimenting with that though. (hehe then i could put a actual racecar in rotm not just my hpde car cause itd be mine) 1994 Ford Mustang near NASA CMC race ready For Sale

Ohh nice! As for the racecar thing, your car is more of a race car than mine is! I'm BONE stock, and I only autocross, it's not "real" racing by some people's standards!