[94racing]

Originally Posted by JakeM 390RWHP? What is done to it? That is a lot of power from a N/A 3 valve.

what isnt done to it? block is original bore but aftermarket crank/rods/pistons/oil pump/cams/heads/race tune/race fuel and anything else you can think of motorwise along with a ford racing tranny,flywheel,driveshaft,griggs rear end and some forge lines. the weight of youre wheels make a huge difference with youre horsepower.
with the boss 302r the motor is supposed to be pushing 440 crank but i was standing by the dyno and watched a new boss 302r prebuilt racecar with a different tune push 407 rwhp (rehagen) before they detuned it. you lose at least 15% power through driveline normally more making that around a 468.05 roughly out of a stock boss 302 motor with a race tune from rehagen! we are running a 360 tune on the racetrack while they run a 360 also but they have such different curves they hold power sooner and longer as compared to 3v so thats really the only reason were switching. that and we got a boss 302r at dealer warehouse cost.
the motor had the new ford racing oil pump go out and we immediately shut it down and pulled the motor apart. still had oil in all of the places it needed to be and no scaring or anything on anything. so the new pump is on its way and atlanta is going to be our test on the motor before it goes up for sale.

[JakeM]

There is a huge difference between the 3 valve and the 302R motor..... I'd think that 3 valve would be more like 360-375 RWHP unless it is REAL high compression. I totally believe the 302R motor making monster power, but the 3 valves have trouble making a lot of power, especially with the stock intake, passed 350RWHP when naturally aspirated.

[94racing]

Originally Posted by JakeM There is a huge difference between the 3 valve and the 302R motor..... I'd think that 3 valve would be more like 360-375 RWHP unless it is REAL high compression. I totally believe the 302R motor making monster power, but the 3 valves have trouble making a lot of power, especially with the stock intake, passed 350RWHP when naturally aspirated.

Has a ford racing intake on it ill slap a dyno sheet up tomoro if i get free time. Have school 9 hours strait
Heres a video though 360 rwhp with the throttle body limited through the higher rpms. 380 was the max at pauls automotive dyno but we put cams built for this specific engine by compcams in it and gained 10 more hp but im pretty sure dad has the dyno sheet in his breif case. Ill hopefully get it posted tommoro.

Dyno run 94 american iron 360hp - YouTube

Dyno run 94 american iron 360hp - YouTube

[94racing]

i need to look in the racecar trailor tommoro and see if i can find it.

[JakeM]

Big difference between 390 and 360RWHP. How is the TB a restriction on a N/A Car? Not trying to be a dick, that just doesn't sound right to me. Or do you mean it had a restictor plate on it? IIRC, Rich was able to make that much power, but it took a JPC intake, full bolt-on's and custom cam's and it was BEARLY 390RWHP at the very top of the curve. Which wouldn't be ideal for a road racing build. Gotta have power under the cure to come out of the corner. Which I'm sure you are aware.

[Whiskey11]

Originally Posted by JakeM Big difference between 390 and 360RWHP. How is the TB a restriction on a N/A Car? Not trying to be a dick, that just doesn't sound right to me. Or do you mean it had a restictor plate on it? IIRC, Rich was able to make that much power, but it took a JPC intake, full bolt-on's and custom cam's and it was BEARLY 390RWHP at the very top of the curve. Which wouldn't be ideal for a road racing build. Gotta have power under the cure to come out of the corner. Which I'm sure you are aware.

Rich? From RAD stangs? He had the stock bottom end, no stroking or compression change or anything like that.

I believe the restriction is per class rules but I'm not quite sure to be honest.

[94racing]

Originally Posted by JakeM Big difference between 390 and 360RWHP. How is the TB a restriction on a N/A Car? Not trying to be a dick, that just doesn't sound right to me. Or do you mean it had a restictor plate on it? IIRC, Rich was able to make that much power, but it took a JPC intake, full bolt-on's and custom cam's and it was BEARLY 390RWHP at the very top of the curve. Which wouldn't be ideal for a road racing build. Gotta have power under the cure to come out of the corner. Which I'm sure you are aware.

the youtube vid was what setup we are running when we run the car on the track. its a hp to weight ratio rule. i guess it was 380 but thats with the old cams when we added the custom made cams by comp cams at our 360 hp tune it bumped the power up by 12 hp. so with that said the estimate was 10 hp gain and just so you know. s197 thottle boddys you can restrict how far it opens at certain rpm which is how we made our 350 and 360 hp tunes. with the added custom cams those tunes are now 362 and 371 hp tunes with added cams.
so making that assumed means 390. figuring i mean. but everything in this motor is aftermarket. which i found the blocks even aftermarket earlyer. and it is a high comp engine.
btw poe motorsports had a 3v pushing 420rwhp and hes got 2 years on the motor completely built.

[EscortSportage]

Id say, stay away from adjustable struts and shocks. U want to get the struts and shocks that are matched for ur spring rate

And like dexter said stock hp is enoug...(im finding out after i went turbo..i think im going back to na )

[94racing]

Originally Posted by EscortSportage Id say, stay away from adjustable struts and shocks. U want to get the struts and shocks that are matched for ur spring rate And like dexter said stock hp is enoug...(im finding out after i went turbo..i think im going back to na )

how much power are you pushing?
and are you saying to go with sla?? griggs!!!!
jk
suspension wise you will figure out what works and doesnt the longer you stick around.(aimed at atrainsgt)


atrainsgt my motor was sorta a offer if you want a price you can pm me.

[EscortSportage]

I didnt say anything about sla...
I broke 520rwhp with too much boost(ran out of fuel at 4k had to shut her down)

Now running 4lbs of boost and idk what she puts down

[Whiskey11]

Originally Posted by EscortSportage Id say, stay away from adjustable struts and shocks. U want to get the struts and shocks that are matched for ur spring rate And like dexter said stock hp is enoug...(im finding out after i went turbo..i think im going back to na )

The premise behind adjustable shocks and struts is to match two shocks that previously where not matched from the same manufacturer due to tolerances in making the shocks. Of course to do so requires a shock dyno (big $$$$) or pay to have all of the adjustment values tested (also $$$$$). Ideally the rebound and compression curves SHOULD be done through the valving.

Unfortunately, you will rarely find anyone who uses them as such. I agree though, sometimes having tons of adjustability goes a long way to creating headaches!

Stock HP is def enough. I'm not surprised that Vorshlag's 2011 5.0 in STX is having issues. Some of the first mods they did were power mods on a car that is already undertired from the factory and undertired on "street" tires. They still haven't addressed the rear end issues with the allowable modifications for live axle cars (Watts link and Torque Arm) and they complain that the car just can't do it. I really hope they don't give up without maxing the prep level. With the new Street Touring rules in the Fast Track this month, Mustangs under 5.0L of displacement are stuck in STX with no hopes for wider tires or rims than the current allowances. 265's on 9" wide rims and 400+ HP is a recipe for disaster. I wonder what an 05-10 S197 would do in STX trim.

[EscortSportage]

Idk anything about track classes. Im prolly fugged. Seeing the amount of mods i have..

[Serlin]

OR:
You could just buy my car for 12K and go racing

Full Maximum Motorsports catalog, and supporting mods.

See my garage for pics

PM me if interested

[EscortSportage]

I like my fox

[94racing]

Originally Posted by Serlin OR: You could just buy my car for 12K and go racing Full Maximum Motorsports catalog, and supporting mods. See my garage for pics PM me if interested

Ooo i want. Just dont have that type of money laying around being in college. Would be a good buy although i have no clue what class youre car could run other than tt with nasa

[ponyracer]

My suggestion is to start with the SCCA 2012 rule book and figure out what class you can afford. I race ESP and through a friend found a loop hole that allows the T-1 class cars to race ESP. This sounds like the same place your at. I too have a 5.8 building for my 94 GT but the 94 Cobra 5.0 that I have is plenty enough to run around the track until I get a better suspension setup and tires. Everyone has good advice but it all comes down to the rules so get the book and read and study it and follow it like it is the bible. I would think that the 5.8 would do better road racing as autocross is short runs and rare long straights. For what it is worth, this is what I have been told, verified through the rule books and experienced.

P.S. my biggest problem is that on my "no money budget" I can only do so much and desperately need to find sponsors to augment my expenses.