[67svtstang]

Originally Posted by mrtleavitt Crap! That's not what I wanted to hear. I just got my TCI in and my Coyote 5.0 is on its way.

Well, they claim i have the wrong engine mounts, although I waited two months for these to come in, they are clearly labeled 5.0 coyote modular engine mounts, and they look identical to the ones in the pictures that TCI sent me yesterday. Im going to have them exchange them, so i will let you know how that goes. We shall see if there is a difference and i will post an update when they arrive and i have a chance to test them. Hopefully it wont take another two months to get these mounts

[67svtstang]

I am now the guinea pig for TCI. They have not performed a coyote install in a 67-68 mustang, although i was told differently by the salesman, so I get to figure out the measurements for the mounts and send in the dimensions, etc to TCI so they can fabricate new ones that will allow the engine to work in the car with the TCI front end.
You see, i received the "correct" mounts over the weekend and installed them on the car yesterday, but with the new mounts, there is not enough clearance for the bellhousing and the front of the pan rests on the steering rack. Apparently TCI has only installed a 4.6L into a 67 and the second set of mounts they sent were fabricated for the 4.6L build they did and not a 5.0 modular. I was informed that they had to notch the tranmission tunnel and the firewall on the 4.6L build and the stock heater/ac location would no longer work, nor would a power brake booster. My crossmember is going to be notched a bit for oil pan clearance, so there will be more time, labor, and welding involved. But, all i can do is move forward at this point. I am not happy about being lied to, but at least those that are higher up at TCI are willing to try to make things right instead of just giving me the finger.
Moving forward. Ill update as things progress.

[67svtstang]

Just wanted to give a quick update on the situation with the TCI front end.

Two different people from TCI have been in touch with me in the last week and they are going to make sure that things are made right. They are sending a Morosso oil pan for my engine. The pan will allow me to move the engine further forward without being forced to notch too much material out of the crossmember. The crossmember may still need to be notched an inch inward to get the engine in just the right position, but we shall see.
Anyway, i am pleased with how nice the higher ups have been that i have talked with recently. I suppose the salesman was just really, really confused or misinformed about how far along they were with the 5.0 modular fitment.

[67svtstang]

UPDATE ON TCI, Total Cost Involved front end.

BAD NEWS!!! The third and newest set of TCI motor mounts that were supposed to resolve the firewall clearance issues did not resolve anything. The bellhousing still does not clear and even with the Moroso pan installed the crossmember still needs to be notched. The guys at TCI really need to get their crap together. They assured me this time that they had brought a 67 into the shop and that everything fit well. My bellhousing is actually smaller than the stock or other aftermarket units, so I am sure more drama will unfold from there lack of proper engineering.

Plan-either cut the firewall and crossmember, or cut the crossmember and mounts and pay to have the mounts tig welded in the proper location.

Once i notch the crossmember, the engine will angle more downward at the rear and there will be even less clearance at the firewall.





Three sets of mounts from TCI, all were supposed to allow the engine to fit perfect without modification to the firewall or crossmember. Note how they notched the holes for more movement in the newest edition. Wow, what a change.



New pan. I at least can thank them for that, but it wasn't supposed to be necessary.



Engine sits in a good position, just needs to be another 1/2 inch forward.





Im going to see how the most forward mounts fit tomorrow after notching the crossmember. I might need to move the radiator forward, but that is better than cutting into the firewall.

[6BangEr]

Sorry to hear it's still giving you issues.

[mrtleavitt]

UNBELIEVABLE!!! These guys are something else at TCI. I just welded in their newest cross member and received their "new and improved" motor mounts.

[MustangOne]

Sorry to hear that it is not resolved yet...

Originally Posted by mrtleavitt UNBELIEVABLE!!! These guys are something else at TCI. I just welded in their newest cross member and received their "new and improved" motor mounts.

Do you have photos of your new crossmember?

[67svtstang]

The new crossmember is just notched more. However, that will not resolve the firewall clearance issue.

[ajzride]

I bet that 427 you thought about would have slid right in

I completely understand your frustration, but in the end, it is the price of being on the leading edge of things. I deal with this constantly at work. Sometimes I feel like I have been given a life-long sentence of being the new product guinea pig

[67svtstang]

Originally Posted by ajzride I bet that 427 you thought about would have slid right in I completely understand your frustration, but in the end, it is the price of being on the leading edge of things. I deal with this constantly at work. Sometimes I feel like I have been given a life-long sentence of being the new product guinea pig

I dont have a problem with pioneering, i just dont like it when i am told that everything will fit without issue and it turns out the other way around. They never even fit a coyote 5.0 into a 67 mustang. However, they thought it would be a good idea to tell me and other customers otherwise.

[67svtstang]

Well, here is what those of you with the TCI kit have to look forward to. You are going to need to cut the firewall and transmission tunnel for clearance. I know the TKO 5 speed transmissions are taller than the t-56 6 speed units, so if you are using one of those units, you probably wont need to raise the tunnel as much. However, there is no getting around cutting the firewall/upper trans tunnel for bellhousing clearance.
The engine and transmission are in.

I notched the crossmember about another 3/4-1" an inch inward. I had to use a 20 pound sledge hammer to get the metal to bend inward.





Then the real fun began. I tried to just cut a little of the upper trans tunnel/firewall at first, but it was a no go. The bellhousing needed more clearance. Then, once the transmission was going into place, i realized that i couldnt just bend the tunnel upward and that it needed to be removed completely so that i can raise the height of the tunnel all the way around.




I took out the upper middle portion of the trans mount crossmember support to provide more clearance.





Here is how much the tunnel needs to be raised with the transmission and engine sitting at the correct angle.





While i had the grinder out, i decided to remove the lip from the cowl panel and cut out the raised gas tank cap area. I am going to flip the portion i cut out upside down and recess it into the body. The plan is to go for the look the 1st generation viper GTS coupes have.



This is how high the engine must be raised in order to clear the shroud.



Clearance issues with the master cylinder. This is a 1995 Mustang Cobra brake master cylinder, same as the one i have in the other car, but it doesnt even come close to clearing. I guess i will look into hydroost kits.



Here is another issue. I am not sure if i received the correct crossmember or not. If this is correct, then i am going to need to have a spacer made to go in-between the mount and transmission.

[Dereks197]

Subscribed!! This car's gonna be bad a$$!!

[67svtstang]

Originally Posted by Dereks197 Subscribed!! This car's gonna be bad a$$!!

If I don't end up in the mental institution first over all the headaches the TCI system is causing. TCI

[mrtleavitt]

FYI - Here's TCI's solution to the problem that apparently doesn't solve anything.

[T-Money]

Damn!! subbed. thats gonna be badass. sucks how much trouble your having. ill be doing a coyote swap into my 06 this summer but thats a pretty straightforward swap. nothing like this

[67svtstang]

Oh, that solves the oil pan clearance, but it certainly does not solve the firewall clearance for the bellhousing or a master cylinder. You see, i was told that the 5.0 would bolt right in without a problem, a tko would most likely clear with fabrication to the tunnel, and that there would be plenty of room for a brake master cylinder. The only area they told me would be an issue is the stock heater location, which i expected. They gave me the run around several times and their salesman lied on several occasions. There hardware is already rusty and so are the spindles, steering joints, and tire rods. By the time the labor is payed for to install this system, it is not worth the money. The tie rod angle is also terrible. Total cost involved my ass, more like fraction.
So again. TOTAL COST INVOLVED

Mustangs to Fear just installed a 5.0 coyote mod motor with a tko 600 using a rod and customz front end and they did not even need to raise the transmission tunnel.

[migg400]

Any more updates??
I see you have written the book on these swaps!!!

I've been following and taking notes before I begin on my Fastback. The sheet metal work is just about done so I'm shopping around for a good IFS and rear 4-link. I was leaning towards an 04 Cobra motor, now I'm leaning a lil more towards the Coyote side of town.

[MustangOne]

Here is a Photo of what we had to do with a Rod & Custom front end with a 4.6 with a T-56 tremec 6 speed to make ours fit.

[67svtstang]

That is a 4.6L, i said 5.0. I havent used a Rod and Customz front end, so i dont know for sure what needs to be done to make a coyote fit with their system. I was just stating that i had seen a coyote installed with a rod and customz front end and the builder said the tunnel and firewall did not need to be modified.

I dont like TCI and i will not recommend their products to anyone. Actually, I will do whatever possible to make people avoid their products. The company is full of liars...they simply know how to market their products well in order to sell them. Their parts are cheap and not worth the money in my opinion. The only thing nice on the entire system is the wilwood brakes.

There will not be updates on this build for a while. I am just now finishing up two Corvettes and then i need to finish the 4.6L mustang before i can even think about touching the 5.0 coyote build.

[MustangOne]

Here is the one that 1Redbird is doing with the new Rod & Custom Suspension kit with the 5.0 Coyote. Coyote Swap?

Looks Like it has some issues also. He says this is a Good fitting system Also.

I love the tunnel cut out, Nice and clean looking. That Trans Crossmember is pretty Sweet also.







I have Used TCP TCI Rod & Custom and Heidts suspension systems.

I still Stand behind the TCI Suspension on anything I build myself. As it is the best of the four I have used.