[Regency 2007]

Yeah that bursting into a church service was just a "little" over the top. It was nice to see the members just let them burn themselves out. Hardcore liberals like to be the victim... they didn't get what they wanted.

[exoskeleton]

Originally Posted by Regency 2007 Yeah that bursting into a church service was just a "little" over the top. It was nice to see the members just let them burn themselves out. Hardcore liberals like to be the victim... they didn't get what they wanted.

that goes both ways, too....do you remember the right-wing nutjob protesting at the iraq war dead funeral?? interupting a funeral to rant about queers, no class at all.
again, who said anything about taking down the crosses at arlington? who, and when ? this ground may be federal property, but it belongs to the soldiers who lie there, and i don't think anyone will have any success trying THAT...talk about political suicide.
this boils down to common sense- if you allow christians to display thier symbols in public schools and tax-payer funded public buildings, you will have to allow EVERY religion to display thier symbols as well...soon, there wouldn't be a square inch of wall space anywhere.
as far as 'under god' goes, it wasn't originally in the pledge, so who's forcing what upon whom there?
and why would a christian want thier diety's name on MONEY anyway??
don't get me wrong, i don't sweat the small stuff...it's the schools and public buildings that get my goat, especially the 'intelligent design' fiasco.
but answer me this- why would a christian sure in his beliefs feel such a need to plaster that stuff everywhere anyway? smacks of insecurity too me.
the supreme court has spoken, deal with it.

[futureMACH1racer]

I'm a Rush Limbaugh listening Right-Wing Christian, and I can care less what you think Exo, so GTFO with your line of bullshit. Go listen to Bill Maher, fucking Left Wing Liberal **** *******!!!!

[WLJohnson05]

so if they get rid of the crosses on federal property what happens to these

[exoskeleton]

Originally Posted by futureMACH1racer I'm a Rush Limbaugh listening Right-Wing Christian, and I can care less what you think Exo, so GTFO with your line of bullshit. Go listen to Bill Maher, fucking Left Wing Liberal **** *******!!!!

you don't have to be a leftwing liberal to know rush limbaugh is an oxycontin snorting retard, you just need an open mind....but i'll bet you've never been accused of that, have you?

[rk_2000_Z/28]

Originally Posted by exoskeleton but answer me this- why would a christian sure in his beliefs feel such a need to plaster that stuff everywhere anyway? smacks of insecurity too me. the supreme court has spoken, deal with it.

I totally see what you are saying and I respect that. I'll not sit here and try and change anyone's mind about religion or the lack of it.

But answear me this- Why are the athiest/agnostics/unbelievers so worried about crosses and Christian symbols? If they don't believe in such things than I would think that to them a cross is just a silly superstition. Why get all upset? Why not just roll your eyes and move on with your life and let the Christians do there thing?

I can understand a Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, etc. getting upset. But like JBIGBOOTSEY mentioned, it seems like the only people that are getting butt hurt are the ones that are anti-religion/anti-Christ....I would think if they don't believe in such 'silly things' they would just move on.

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by rk_2000_Z/28 I totally see what you are saying and I respect that. I'll not sit here and try and change anyone's mind about religion or the lack of it. But answear me this- Why are the athiest/agnostics/unbelievers so worried about crosses and Christian symbols? If they don't believe in such things than I would think that to them a cross is just a silly superstition. Why get all upset? Why not just roll your eyes and move on with your life and let the Christians do there thing? I can understand a Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, etc. getting upset. But like JBIGBOOTSEY mentioned, it seems like the only people that are getting butt hurt are the ones that are anti-religion/anti-Christ....I would think if they don't believe in such 'silly things' they would just move on.

I believe the issue here is one of Christian bigotry against those who claim no faith. While the majority of Christians are decent people, like any religion, they have their extremists. Those extremists are beyond willing to hurt or kill those that they believe go against God.

I believe (I reiterate, as I want no one to think I'm putting this out as fact) this falls under the same idea as putting up a confederate flag. To some, it's a sign of pride, but to others it's a sign of oppression. Just because you don't feel oppressed by it doesn't mean that others don't.

The swastika is still a holy symbol for many eastern religions, I think it's even a peace symbol, but here in the U.S. and most of Europe, it's only association is of the famed German National Socialist party, and patently offensive.

George Carlin's "7 words" of which I won't reiterate here, don't offend most of us, but it's enough that on this board "speaking" them in the wrong area will get you banned, and to this day they aren't allowed on broadcast television, and only on cable television during certain hours.

[exoskeleton]

Originally Posted by rk_2000_Z/28 I totally see what you are saying and I respect that. I'll not sit here and try and change anyone's mind about religion or the lack of it. But answear me this- Why are the athiest/agnostics/unbelievers so worried about crosses and Christian symbols? If they don't believe in such things than I would think that to them a cross is just a silly superstition. Why get all upset? Why not just roll your eyes and move on with your life and let the Christians do there thing? I can understand a Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, etc. getting upset. But like JBIGBOOTSEY mentioned, it seems like the only people that are getting butt hurt are the ones that are anti-religion/anti-Christ....I would think if they don't believe in such 'silly things' they would just move on.

i'm not worried/upset/whatever about crosses or any other religious symbols
i just don't think they belong in government offices or public schools.
the religious far right has an agenda to force everyone to believe as they believe, do what they do, and act like they act...the 'intelligent design' issue is good example of this....it's a religious theory that the fundamentalists want taught in science class, and some even want creationism taught in our schools...you can see a line must be drawn SOMEWHERE.
as i said, i respect other's choices in thier personal lives...if religion works for you, that's a good thing..i don't think this is a 'believe-don't believe' issue, it's a freedom of choice issue....
and with all the places in this nation to put religious symbols, why are the fundamentalists so intent on putting them where they shouldn't be?

[JBIGBOOTSY]

Going after Christianity, is a silly left wing tactic. It's a way that the left tries to gain some righteousness, by attacking something righteous. If Christan's are "morally good", then the left must be "morally better" for trying to keep Christianity in check. Its laughable that they think they can control what Christians do, and try to trick themselves that they are more powerful than a deity.

There are other religions that are actually harsh, I don't see any liberals protesting Muslims, because of their extremely conservative beliefs. Why is that.

[Dennis]

Originally Posted by JBIGBOOTSY Do you get extra pay for the federal holiday of christmas? You seem to be the stereotipical leftist anti christian, using the title free religion, to supress those you are against. That my friend is not freedom of religion, but opression of religion.

are you sure you quoted the right person wow. where am i anti christian in any of what i said? i said i celebrate christmas with my family and dont throw a big stink because of it. of course i get holiday pay why wouldnt i. too bad only one holiday is religioulsly related and im off on christmas so i dont get paid. i just pointed out facts nothing more. before jumping on my ass for something you didnt read correctly try reading again and then lets talk

[rk_2000_Z/28]

It's a nasty circle really. By protecting one citizens rights (like by removing the creation theory and replacing it with the Big Bang theory) you than impede on the rights and beliefs of another citizen that believes differently.

Just as the non-Christian doesn't believe in the creation theory and might find it offensive (not talking about anyone in this thread-just using it as a topic since exo mentioned it already), the other side (the Christian) is offended that people would dismiss thier God and say that we are the by-product of a natural cause and evolution.

[rk_2000_Z/28]

I wonder if I can talk my boss into giving me more time off for Festivus....

[Dennis]

try it. religion is such a touchy subject in the workplace you could probably get away with it.

[JBIGBOOTSY]

Originally Posted by Dennis-96GT are you sure you quoted the right person wow. where am i anti christian in any of what i said? i said i celebrate christmas with my family and dont throw a big stink because of it. of course i get holiday pay why wouldnt i. too bad only one holiday is religioulsly related and im off on christmas so i dont get paid. i just pointed out facts nothing more. before jumping on my ass for something you didnt read correctly try reading again and then lets talk

You don't believe in god, and reap the benifits of this countrys Christian fundimeatals by way of a federal holiday. Yet you are quick to defend the lefts views, and catagorize them under "Free religion".

[Dennis]

quick to defend the left views? what the hell are you smoking man. saying that i think that they should honor the seperation of church and state and saying government should stay out fo religion? holy crap man. thats not defending anything thats quoting the constitution. sorry if your mistaken but wow.

remember that part where i said i dont push my ways onto others yea spending christmas with my family would be part of that.

"reap the benifits of this countrys Christian fundimeatals by way of a federal holiday" seriously? im done talking to you outside the burnbox because your mindset is gona get me banned

[Regency 2007]

Originally Posted by exoskeleton that goes both ways, too....do you remember the right-wing nutjob protesting at the iraq war dead funeral?? interupting a funeral to rant about queers, no class at all. again, who said anything about taking down the crosses at arlington? who, and when ? this ground may be federal property, but it belongs to the soldiers who lie there, and i don't think anyone will have any success trying THAT...talk about political suicide. this boils down to common sense- if you allow christians to display thier symbols in public schools and tax-payer funded public buildings, you will have to allow EVERY religion to display thier symbols as well...soon, there wouldn't be a square inch of wall space anywhere. as far as 'under god' goes, it wasn't originally in the pledge, so who's forcing what upon whom there? and why would a christian want thier diety's name on MONEY anyway?? don't get me wrong, i don't sweat the small stuff...it's the schools and public buildings that get my goat, especially the 'intelligent design' fiasco. but answer me this- why would a christian sure in his beliefs feel such a need to plaster that stuff everywhere anyway? smacks of insecurity too me. the supreme court has spoken, deal with it.

I think all christians can't bear to watch the WBC and their protests, its a church of about 5 members and all their brainwashed kids.

Christians are called to bring others to Christ. That is why they like for people to become christians. I try to get my friends converted in a nice way and if they say "don't talk to me about that stuff" then I stop...

The problem I see is in the people that are being asked to listen to what a christian as to say.

1 group of people are interested in christianity and want to learn more about it.

2 group of people just say don't tell me about that stuff

3 group of people are the ones that go on the offensive against christians and that is when it gets ugly


All of us christians aren't the same just like their are the allah worshipers and the allah blow your self up worshipers...

[futureMACH1racer]

Exo, are you a bureaucrat? Do you work on Federal Property? I do everyday, I'm on federal property right now, and I wear a Cross, and a St. Christopher's Medal. There isn't a single person going to stop from wearing them either.

So, unless you're in a situation like myself just shut your pie hole, and live with it, because odds are that it won't even affect you. It will however affect me, and I will not take off my cross that I've worn since I went through my first communion. Not for you, and certainly not for some athiest who doesn't like the fact that I have faith.

[exoskeleton]

Originally Posted by JBIGBOOTSY Going after Christianity, is a silly left wing tactic. It's a way that the left tries to gain some righteousness, by attacking something righteous. If Christan's are "morally good", then the left must be "morally better" for trying to keep Christianity in check. Its laughable that they think they can control what Christians do, and try to trick themselves that they are more powerful than a deity. There are other religions that are actually harsh, I don't see any liberals protesting Muslims, because of their extremely conservative beliefs. Why is that.

i don't know why you are so offended, no one is trying to 'control' you.
no one is going into your church and telling you what you can or can't do there.
as far as the other religions go, they aren't the ones trying to force their beliefs and symbols into our schools.

[exoskeleton]

Originally Posted by rk_2000_Z/28 It's a nasty circle really. By protecting one citizens rights (like by removing the creation theory and replacing it with the Big Bang theory) you than impede on the rights and beliefs of another citizen that believes differently. Just as the non-Christian doesn't believe in the creation theory and might find it offensive (not talking about anyone in this thread-just using it as a topic since exo mentioned it already), the other side (the Christian) is offended that people would dismiss thier God and say that we are the by-product of a natural cause and evolution.

removing the big bang theory and replacing it with creationism isn't about christian rights, it's about education...the big bang theory (and science in general) does NOT dismiss God in any way, science does not adress this issue at all...many scientists are christians, and
i don't know why fundamentalists are so anti-science, the catholics and more moderate protestants have no problem with it..
intelligent design theory is nothing more than creationism with a little scientific jargon thrown in, in an attempt to get biblical beliefs taught in our schools...it is my opinion (and that of the founding fathers, the constitution, and the supreme court) that religious beliefs should be taught in the home and the church...
where i live, school lasts less than seven hours per day..with all of the REAL knowledge that our children have to digest in that short period of time to be competitive in today's world, why not teach your kids the religion of your choice at home?

[exoskeleton]

Originally Posted by Regency 2007 I think all christians can't bear to watch the WBC and their protests, its a church of about 5 members and all their brainwashed kids. Christians are called to bring others to Christ. That is why they like for people to become christians. I try to get my friends converted in a nice way and if they say "don't talk to me about that stuff" then I stop... The problem I see is in the people that are being asked to listen to what a christian as to say. 1 group of people are interested in christianity and want to learn more about it. 2 group of people just say don't tell me about that stuff 3 group of people are the ones that go on the offensive against christians and that is when it gets ugly All of us christians aren't the same just like their are the allah worshipers and the allah blow your self up worshipers...

i'm probably in the third group, but i don't intend or want anything to get ugly..and i will listen to what a christian has to say, like i said, i'm agnostic, not athiest.
maybe this is just a pet peeve...i live in the bible belt, and the 'convert the world' mentality of the fundamentalists here gets under your skin after a while..they are by far the most judgemental and undereducated people i have ever known.
i consider myself a very open minded person. my daughter is very spiritual, and i encourage her with it, it makes her a good kid..my mother was a devout catholic, and there is a rosary hanging on my wall in her memory..i have no problem with the vast majority of faiths, if it works for you, go with it.
my problem is mostly the minority that seems hellbent on forcing thier religion into places it doesn't belong, public schools and government workplaces..