[BLCK OUT Z28]

Originally Posted by cmdr_anomic i bought my NEW GT for less than 23,000$ (and can prob. get even cheaper now!) id like to see what you can ACTUALLY get a camera off the lot for when they come out? my guess 33k+

dont forget the dealer up charges were there for the new mustang in 05. especially when the gt500 came out they were going for near 70 grand and now you can get them for around 40. the same thing is going to happen for the first few years the camaro is out.

and for the v6 swap to v8 thats always the option but how many people will do that? its alot of work and not many people cant do it themselves so after its done by a shop you might as well have just bought a gt or ss.

[qwk93ta]

Originally Posted by 08 stang but then again im fast and still gettin 20 mpg ....those big cubes will not get that when thier still slow... hence why i have a GT(rated @23hwy) and not a GT500(rated @like 18hwy) or a big cube chevy(rated @prob 14hwy)lol

LSX motors get pretty good MPG, my 00 WS6 A4 with a few mods gets almost 20 MPG, M6 guys get even better MPG. An LS3 M6 will get better then 14 MPG.

[qwk93ta]

Originally Posted by 07stanggt whp was 389 on the 12.4 run i weigh 215

With a trap speed of 114.55 you should be running much better then 12.4s. I ran 12.4s in my 93 T/A with a trap speed of 109 and a 60' of 1.7x. What is your 60?

[BLCK OUT Z28]

Originally Posted by qwk93ta LSX motors get pretty good MPG, my 00 WS6 A4 with a few mods gets almost 20 MPG, M6 guys get even better MPG. An LS3 M6 will get better then 14 MPG.

this is very true with an M6 ls1 you can get almost 30 mpg highway driving easy at 75. i got around 25 mpg going 85-100 and 19-22 going 100+ most of the way. ( yeah it was dumb to drive at 100+ for around 300 miles, but its montana theres not that many poe poe around)

[cmdr_anomic]

Originally Posted by BLCK OUT Z28 dont forget the dealer up charges were there for the new mustang in 05.

irrelevant; how much would it have cost you to get a new camero ss in 2005 lol EXACTLY

the point is whenever they actually come out; or even a year after they are going to be about 10k more so comparing them isnt fair; even though it is kind of fair seeing as how it seems theyll be within 1/2 second of each other on the quarter

[BLCK OUT Z28]

Originally Posted by cmdr_anomic the point is whenever they actually come out; or even a year after they are going to be about 10k more so comparing them isnt fair; even though it is kind of fair seeing as how it seems theyll be within 1/2 second of each other on the quarter

thats exactly what happened with the new mustang. whether it was in 05 or not doesnt matter. if the camaro had came out in 05 along with the new mustang it would have had up charges and they would be gone by now and the price would be back to msrp. its just a fact that dealers are fucking gay, if its a ford dealer or a chevy dealer there all just trying to take your money, and sadly theres people that will pay the extra so they can have it.

and it will be more like a second difference. the mustang (minus specialties like cobra, mach 1 and saleen) are just now catching up with the 02 camaro.

[cmdr_anomic]

still not getting the point; the cost of the mustang 4 years ago only matters to car historians or w/e

if you are out to buy either a mustang or camero what matters is how much they cost NOW. even if you wait 2 years for the camero to come down there prob. still is going to be a 7-10k difference b/w a gt and SS hence the comparison is truly apples-oranges.

[BLCK OUT Z28]

Originally Posted by cmdr_anomic still not getting the point; the cost of the mustang 4 years ago only matters to car historians or w/e

then why did you compare your gt. its an 08, there was no new camaro out in 08. its coming out in 2010 so if you want to compare 2010 models of camaro and mustang.

Mustang gt: $28,845 , 315 hp 4.6 , tremec 5spd
Mustang gt premium: $32,000, 315 hp 4.6, tremec 5spd
Camaro ss1: $31,000, 400 hp ls3 6.2, tremec 6spd
Camaro ss2: $34,000, 425 hp l99 6.2, tremec 6spd

i know the camaro ss weighs 3860 with a manual the mustang is probably around 3700 but idk.

[cmdr_anomic]

more like 3550lbs

my gt had a window sticker just over the 28845 you listed above. with the uglier 2010 body style it will probably be even less than what i paid

[BLCK OUT Z28]

Originally Posted by cmdr_anomic my gt had a window sticker just over the 28845 you listed above. with the uglier 2010 body style it will probably be even less than what i paid

it might be uglier but it still newer so its not going to be cheaper

[Yellow02GTauto]

Stock for Stock the Camaro should beat a GT without problems........as far as modding goes......you can make any car go fast......with the right parts......I like the look of the mustang better.....but havn't sat in a new Carmaro so I can't compare right now.....look at the old 5.0's.....they dominated the camaro community.....and pretty much anything else.......the ford small block is stout for its size.....and produces great torque.....ford came with alot of wide band gear sets that allowed the small block to excelerate fairly easy......PTW though plays a huge difference.......get the weight down and those cars will fly......there are vast parts are for the new edge right now which you can bolt on insane power and reduce weight fairly easy.....the camaro will have plenty of engine attire to chose from....but the rest of the car will take some time to grow with the aftermarket........it will be thorn in our sides again.....but hey....we will always prevail....just out number them...lol

"ED"

[QTRHORSE]

Like the SRT8 the camaro born with 425hp N/A has no where to go in my opinion! When your producing that much power already its very hard and EXPENSIVE to get more! Heads and cams will be high as hell! I considered the new Camaro before I bought my 08 GT and basically decided I was sticking to ford! I sort of like the fact that Mustangs dont come with a lot of power factory because every JOE around would have what we got. I like the upgrading and being above average! Ive added bout 1200.00$ to my 08 and it goes 13.2 on street tires with 3.55s and looks better than the 2010 Camaro! BTW I have a friend with a 300c SRT8 that runs 12.89@111 in Bristol with headers and C&L CAI and DRs

[unlicensed to drive]

No offense but the camaro is no where in HELL near maxed out on power, and you seem to have forgotten the camaro has a 6.2, not a smallish 4.6. They can and will produce over 500rwhp N/A after installing full bolt ons, heads, cams, and longtubes.

Check this out, its shit scary: LS3 West Coast Cylinder Heads Swap - GM High-Tech Performance Magazine

[MBM LS2 GTO]

^^^ i have to agree! the camaro will produce massive hp. it has more cubes and you have to consider just with a tune it will pick up about 20 rwhp. factory always restricts them bad so headers and tune and you better watch out.

[Breakout]

The muscle wars are always going to happen. Ford's going to win, then chevy will come out with something to be better, then ford will come out with something else to be better. It's a reciprocating cycle. Take it as it is, the camaro will be a beast with full bolt ons. Get that piggish 4k weight down a notch and then I want to see what they run.

[unlicensed to drive]

The SS's run 12.9 stock. =\

[leebunnyz]

^they run mid-low 13's stock...yes people have gone into 12's but thats out of the ordinary. just like the new gt's running low 13's stock, people have done it but its out of the ordinary

[Blackbird1084]

There is a guy on another site i'm on with a SRT-8 magnum with a cai,cat-back exhaust and a tuner that ran 12.79 @111 and with a 150 shot ran 11.80 @ 120 Now thats haulin the grocreys

[unlicensed to drive]

Well they run low 13's stock so not suprising.

[speeddemon06]

I know this is a bit late, but based on the direction this thread was going earlier I thought this was a bit relevant.

Bolt On Performance Parts For Your S197 Mustang - Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords Magazine