[v606er]

'08 3.5SE vs '07+ V6 Mustang - Nissan Forums: Nissan Altima Forum

read this thread. it sounds a lot like us ripping on ricers. they do have some good points though. such as:
"they would sell GT's because it would have better suspension/brakes and a turbo .
or they could just make the V8's with 325 HP and have the V6's with 250 HP and an aluminum block .

i keep saying aluminum block for the V6's because the mustang V6 with iron block weighs about 3350 LBS and it has a 55/45 weight distribution . if they just used aluminum for the block the car would weigh about 100-150 pounds less in the front and have a weight distribution closer to 50/50 . then if they added 25-40 HP to the V6 it would be a good car ."

and other things they say.

just fun seeing more than one side of the argument

[UrbanRedneck]

the difference between an aluminum and an iron block is more like 75-80 pounds, not 100-150.

[ReverendDexter]

Ford won't put an aluminum block in the V6 until an aluminum block motor is the cheaper option for them.

Ford could make a much better car than the current Mustang. However, the cost of those improvements wouldn't be returned in sales. Unless those costs *are* returned, Ford will keep making the car the way they do.

[v606er]

3rd page:
"my problem is the attitude of american car companies !!! americans can make the best when we want to , like tanks , planes , boats and cars of the past . now american car companies are not trying to be the best they are just trying to sell cars , which creates a problem , there's is no push for being the best , there's no soul .

the american car companies are confused and there listening to everyone at the same time , they need to stop !!! they need focus and gain purpose !!! all the individual brands need to find there place , be it economy , luxury , sports , etc .

given alot of choices , people don't know what they want !!! if a car is built with a purpose and there is a soul/dedication behind the car it will sell , period . the mini cooper for example , is a purpose built car and people love them for that !!! if the heart and soul of a car company is in the product it becomes a situation of "if you build it they will come" . the mini isn't the fastest car or the best looking car , but its built with a purpose and soul and people flock to it !!!

GM has many brands and they were all started for different reasons , they should have there individual reasons and not step on each others toe's !!! if they build a car just to fill a market gap then they will be just a filler !!! the cars need to exist for a reason , have a soul and purpose !!!

cars should be built out of love and soul by the executives , who are real car guys that are on a mission , whether it be economy , a great economy car or out of luxury , to be top notch and ahead of the pack or for performance , to dominate all !!! most of these executives should be fired and executives who are car guys , real cars guys on a mission should replace them !!!

most people can sense genuine love and care from dedicated people and that will sell cars .

to end my rant i will leave you with this :
the SR-71 blackbird (plane) was built by Lockheed-Martin's skunk works division under the leadership of the great Kelly Johnson . to this day the SR-71 blackbird is the highest flying fastest plane ever made . it was started in the late 50's and the fleet (12) was finished in the early 60's . the SR-71's were in service until the late 1990's . there was some 4000+ missiles fired at them , but none were never shot down . the SR-71 can fly at mach 3.3+ (i believe they can fly over mach 3.5+) and they can fly at 80,000+ feet in altitude (i believe they can go over 100,000 feet in altitude) . the point is , american's can build the best when we have a purpose and desire to , its the drive to succeed that will make the best .

its the will and desire for the best that make's the difference , you either in it to win it or your in it to stand there (lose it) !!!"

[ReverendDexter]

^^^^^ That's the voice of true patriotism, and I agree with it 110%.

We *could* build the best in the world, but we're motivated by money and sales, not in a job well done.

[goren813]

Although some on the Nissan forum had good points about the American companies, most of what was said about the Stang seemed off base if not idiotic. First of all, LEAF SPRINGS? what year is it? Secondly, I don't quite follow the logic of changing out the block and intakes to acheive better handling... Finally I am neither a gal, nor nurse, nor teachers aide...funny to me... and picture that same desription when I see 4 door soccer mom cars who think they're faster because they have 270 flywheel horsies and lowsy torque. LAME!

[93hatch]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter ^^^^^ That's the voice of true patriotism, and I agree with it 110%. We *could* build the best in the world, but we're motivated by money and sales, not in a job well done.

same here i agree too, and thats a good lil write up

[Ace417]

They do remember that a turbo for a v6 mustang is WAY cheaper than anything for those expensive pigs therefore making it cheaper and faster

[XTCNAGT]

Originally Posted by TUKO317 v6 stangs are gay

You're right. They DO sound a lot like us!

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by goren420 Secondly, I don't quite follow the logic of changing out the block and intakes to acheive better handling...

I'm with you about the intake, but switching from an iron to an aluminum block removes weight off the front end, which gives the car better front-rear weight balance. To get an idea why this is better for handling, go take a shopping cart and put something heavy in it, like a couple 5-gallon jugs of water. Put 'em as far forward as you can, and push the cart around. Then move them to the back and push the cart around. It's a lot easier to turn the cart when the jugs are at the back.

Originally Posted by goren420 Finally I am neither a gal, nor nurse, nor teachers aide..

Yeah, but look at the majority of people you see in six-cylinder Mustangs. Around here, it's not even six-cylinders that are primarily female driven, but SN95s, too. I don't think I've seen a guy other than myself driving an SN95 since I've moved to where I live now, and there's a lot of SN95s down here!

[goren813]

I guess it's where you're at cuz honestly I have not been able to put demographics behind mustang drivers at all... and I get the weight ratio point of course but wasn't it said that the weight diff. would be like 70-80 lbs? Is that really making a noticeable diff.?

[BWAL]

manly men drive cobras and fox bodies

however, mustangmally drives a fox body cobra

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by goren420 wasn't it said that the weight diff. would be like 70-80 lbs? Is that really making a noticeable diff.?

You'd be surprised. I pulled 35 lbs out of the front end of a 2000 lb Corolla (2200 with me in it), and it made a considerable difference in steering and handling. Not in overall grip, mind you, but just in the cornering feel of the car. Pulling 35 lbs out of a 2200 lb car is only a 1.5% weight reduction overall, or the equivalent of pulling only 55 lbs out of a 3500 lb car (mind you, I'm talking weight of car with driver), much less 70-80 lbs.

[v606er]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter You'd be surprised. I pulled 35 lbs out of the front end of a 2000 lb Corolla (2200 with me in it), and it made a considerable difference in steering and handling. Not in overall grip, mind you, but just in the cornering feel of the car. Pulling 35 lbs out of a 2200 lb car is only a 1.5% weight reduction overall, or the equivalent of pulling only 55 lbs out of a 3500 lb car (mind you, I'm talking weight of car with driver), much less 70-80 lbs.

ya i tried pulling weight out, so i took 2 cylinders out. bad choice.