[XectriK]

True. I'm not sure of the rules.

[AnimalCrackers]

Originally Posted by 87FloridaGT This is not just what southern/country folks should do...this is what EVERYONE should do. Also I am not clinging to the confederate flag at all. I have one in my garage that I put on the ceiling and only people I invite into my home are exposed to it. I do not force it upon anyone...and the person driving that truck has every right to fly that flag proudly if he so chooses. So what if the south lost...it is a part of this countries heritage and it lead to where this country is at right now. If you want to try and bury the flag just because some people don't like it then I dont like that you have an actor in your signature that is making fun of mentally handicapped individuals. Are you now going to take that down? I realize it is not the exact same thing but the principal is the same. Believe me...I hate the people that fly it for the wrong reasons just as much as anyone else but I wont tell them to take it down because its their right

just to play devil's advocate here...then what are your views on someone burning an American flag in protest? or a Confederate flag being burned for that matter?

[87FloridaGT]

Originally Posted by AnimalCrackers just to play devil's advocate here...then what are your views on someone burning an American flag in protest? or a Confederate flag being burned for that matter?

It would piss me off quite a bit but can I stop them?? And burning an American Flag is against the law (I think it is...)

[AnimalCrackers]

Originally Posted by 87FloridaGT It would piss me off quite a bit but can I stop them?? And burning an American Flag is against the law (I think it is...)

it isn't, yet. But as you said, it would piss you off quite a bit, so is it so bad that someone gets pissed off over someone flying a confederate flag? I don't think anyone has said that they shouldn't be allowed to legally, just expressing the disbelief that they would still fly it so flagrantly.

[87FloridaGT]

Originally Posted by AnimalCrackers it isn't, yet. But as you said, it would piss you off quite a bit, so is it so bad that someone gets pissed off over someone flying a confederate flag? I don't think anyone has said that they shouldn't be allowed to legally, just expressing the disbelief that they would still fly it so flagrantly.

Lots of people get pissed off over different things...in your hypothetical situation of burning the flag it would piss me off but would they stop doing it because it pisses me off? I really dont think so...
I am sure you do things that piss other people off...whether its driving a car because it creates emissions or buying drinks that come in plastic bottles because they ruin in the environment...are you going to stop doing that?

[AnimalCrackers]

It was never my intent to stop the guy from doing it, I was just pointing out that it's obviously going to piss some people off and that shouldn't be a shocking thing. I personally could not care less if someone flies a confederate flag, it would be great if they lived by the standards they think it represents just the same as someone living by the standards of the US flag they fly in their front yard.

[87FloridaGT]

Originally Posted by AnimalCrackers It was never my intent to stop the guy from doing it, I was just pointing out that it's obviously going to piss some people off and that shouldn't be a shocking thing. I personally could not care less if someone flies a confederate flag, it would be great if they lived by the standards they think it represents just the same as someone living by the standards of the US flag they fly in their front yard.

I try and live by those standards you speak of...I would give the shirt off my back to anyone who needed it no matter what their race is.
If someone is going to judge me because the flag I have in my garage before they even know me then that's their choice (and their loss I might add)

[AnimalCrackers]

Originally Posted by 87FloridaGT I try and live by those standards you speak of...I would give the shirt off my back to anyone who needed it no matter what their race is. If someone is going to judge me because the flag I have in my garage before they even know me then that's their choice (and their loss I might add)

unfortunately people will judge based on what they see first, regardless if they should or shouldn't. Clothing, hair style, piercings, skin color, the way you walk, talk, etc, all cause someone to consciously or subconsciously judge. Doesn't mean it's an accurate assessment, but until a stereotype no longer holds true in most cases, it's going to be the assumed truth.

[87FloridaGT]

Originally Posted by AnimalCrackers unfortunately people will judge based on what they see first, regardless if they should or shouldn't. Clothing, hair style, piercings, skin color, the way you walk, talk, etc, all cause someone to consciously or subconsciously judge. Doesn't mean it's an accurate assessment, but until a stereotype no longer holds true in most cases, it's going to be the assumed truth.

Indeed

[AnimalCrackers]

sorry if I'm seemingly flip-floppy on this stuff, I grew up in Missouri, so I'm kind of undecided on Southern/Yankee

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by acmillr Maybe not to you or I, but I'm sure that blacks may feel differently about the subject.

Only the uneducated ones would be my guess. And some people are/always will be looking for something to be offended by. I am not one to dumb things down in the name of "political correctness"

[acmillr]

Originally Posted by Ke^in Only the uneducated ones would be my guess. And some people are/always will be looking for something to be offended by. I am not one to dumb things down in the name of "political correctness"

So, since people don't agree with you they are uneducated. Perhaps it is you who is uneducated to how the world views the use of the Rebel flag. It would be absurd to deny that the Rebel flag has come to stand for racism, prejudice, and intolerance in our society.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by acmillr So, since people don't agree with you they are uneducated.

Not at all. Since people believe in something that isn't factual. And to tell you the truth, even if you educate them to the truth, they will WANT to continue to believe the lie simply because they have always believed that way. I just don't believe in doing something purely because of political correctness. I didn't grow up in the 90s either. A lot of kids that did were brainwashed by all the political correct shenanigans.

Perhaps it is you who is uneducated to how the world views the use of the Rebel flag. It would be absurd to deny that the Rebel flag has come to stand for racism, prejudice, and intolerance in our society.

You seem to be picking "fights" with me with things I never said. I never said anyone that doesn't agree with me is uneducated, nor did I say that the Rebel flag didn't have a negative connotation. I am simply saying it's based on an untruth. And I'd rather educate people to the truth, the cave into political correctness for the sake of political correctness. That is all.

BTW I live in what one would consider "north" and I have never owned a rebel flag, or anything with it displayed on it. Those that I know that have, never have it because of racist reasons. I don't think the flag itself is bad. But maybe the intentions behind the reason one would own it?

Don't know. But I know that not too long ago when the Duke's movie was being made, a group almost got the rebel flag taken off the General Lee in the movie. Now that's just plain silly. And political correctness for political correctness sake. It's things like this that I am referring to. We all know what the General Lee looks like. If they would have removed it, I would have lost all respect for the people who had control of such things. And I am no southerner. (I was born across the street from Lake Eerie) Do you believe that they should have removed it? If why? or why not?

[HMUSN]

hmm.. the North says it comes from racism, the South says it is from their heritage as well as meaning "rebel."

Let them have it, just make sure it flies below the Ensign.

[acmillr]

Originally Posted by Ke^in Not at all. Since people believe in something that isn't factual. And to tell you the truth, even if you educate them to the truth, they will WANT to continue to believe the lie simply because they have always believed that way. I just don't believe in doing something purely because of political correctness. I didn't grow up in the 90s either. A lot of kids that did were brainwashed by all the political correct shenanigans. You seem to be picking "fights" with me with things I never said. I never said anyone that doesn't agree with me is uneducated, nor did I say that the Rebel flag didn't have a negative connotation. I am simply saying it's based on an untruth. And I'd rather educate people to the truth, the cave into political correctness for the sake of political correctness. That is all. BTW I live in what one would consider "north" and I have never owned a rebel flag, or anything with it displayed on it. Those that I know that have, never have it because of racist reasons. I don't think the flag itself is bad. But maybe the intentions behind the reason one would own it? Don't know. But I know that not too long ago when the Duke's movie was being made, a group almost got the rebel flag taken off the General Lee in the movie. Now that's just plain silly. And political correctness for political correctness sake. It's things like this that I am referring to. We all know what the General Lee looks like. If they would have removed it, I would have lost all respect for the people who had control of such things. And I am no southerner. (I was born across the street from Lake Eerie) Do you believe that they should have removed it? If why? or why not?

I wouldn't really see the point in removing the flag from the Dukes brother's car. I am not about political correctness at all. I just believe that when one does something, it should have a good reason and not just to stir things up. I still have heard no reason that anyone would fly the rebel flag out of their truck on public highways for any other reason than to irritate other people.

I am not picking a fight with you at all. I am just conversing about the subject at hand. I don't see where I have been nasty with anyone in this thread and I will continue to make my argument while attempting to show some respect for your point of view. I believe that most of the people in this thread are misguided, but that is their personal decision to go down that road.

[acmillr]

Originally Posted by HMUSN hmm.. the North says it comes from racism, the South says it is from their heritage as well as meaning "rebel." Let them have it, just make sure it flies below the Ensign.

You know, you bring up an interesting point about flying the flags. I know a ton of supposed "southerners" who bitch and whine about Mexicans who fly their flag in the US. Apparently, people of Mexican decent should only fly the US flag. However, the people who are complaining are flying a flag that basically stands for seperation from the United States. This has always struck me as odd. Anyway, that's another argument all together.

[goren813]

First of all, none of us even know the guy who is flying the flag in the OP's pic. So we will never know why HE flies it. Saying that, he has every right to. If anyone gets mad at that all they can do is view the constitution. Furthermore, since my fellow Floridian was on I75 for this pic, we MUST mention the GIGANTIC confederate flag flying over the I75/I4 junction. That is stationary, and most everyone coming into Tampa by interstate sees it. Is this to stir up hate? To anger other Americans? No. This is a celebration of heritage. Just as the Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Jamaicans, Irish, and every other nationality does in American. This is why people come to this country, because they can be free to express whatever the hell they want. Sometimes this crosses the line as in child pornography and murdering innocent people because of their nationality. However this flag represents none of that, and the huge majority of the people who fly it are not racist, they are productive members of society. There should have been no question as to why anyone would celebrate that flag, that is obviously a part of his past, whether he lived it or not, he was bred into it. My father's side of the family is completely Jewish, yet do I go around to Neo-Nazi groups and skinheads (the REAL racists) and tell them to take down their Nazi flag? No. I can't. In this country they are aloud to fly that flag until the cows come home. I respect that even if I do not agree with their morals, principles or actions. Why live life upset or angry over what another person or group of people is doing? Does seeing that flag affect your daily life to the point that it causes you pain and anguish? (Not directed at anyone specifically). People in this country really need to get over a lot of shit and realize what is truly worthwhile getting riled up about. Getting the confederate flag down isn't gonna bring the troops home, stop pollution, or cure your baby's illness. /rant.

[Ke^in]

I am not picking a fight with you at all. I am just conversing about the subject at hand. I don't see where I have been nasty with anyone in this thread and I will continue to make my argument while attempting to show some respect for your point of view.

You weren't picking a fight with me, or being nasty. I apologize if that is what you got from my wording. You were arguing with me about things I didn't really say however.. but ok.

Originally Posted by acmillr I wouldn't really see the point in removing the flag from the Dukes brother's car. I am not about political correctness at all.

Then we really agree. I would never do anything to purposely OFFEND anyone, but if something I do offended someone, and if my intentions weren't to offend, and they have based that offense on something that has no ground, or is baseless, I see no reason to cater to their response. A simple explanation as to why you did what you did should be all that is needed. Otherwise that person just wants to be offended for the sake of being offended.

There are a lot of people that look for everything and anything to take offense over. It makes them feel superior, and a victim at the same time. Most of the time it comes off as a pretentious, hypocritical rant.

[acmillr]

Originally Posted by goren420 Does seeing that flag affect your daily life to the point that it causes you pain and anguish?

Yes, it affects our nation in a negative way every day. This action causes the lines between races to continue existing and breeding hate in the hearts of Americans who view the rebel flag in a much different way than you or I.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by acmillr Yes, it affects our nation in a negative way every day.

I've told you a MILLION times to stop exaggerating.