[Minister Of Rock]

Originally Posted by catchtheroadrunner Who the hell said we should adopt Canada's system? How about fixating on the several times I've pointed out Mit Romney's success. Your copy/paste comments....golden. I present you evidense to support my claim, you present absolutely nothing to support yours. If not copy and paste links, how would you have me present the evidense to you? If you send me your address I'll supply all future support for my position with crayon on construction paper and send it to your house. You're dismissing these links because you dislike my position. How about providing enough of your own substantiated info to cause me to reject my position. And I'll tell you a secret...shhh..I'm a Skeptic, and by definition I'm required to modify my position to reflect all the new credible evidence that comes my way. You noticed that I abandoned my claims that GW is man made. I couldn't support it through my own research. "I'll stick with my own thoughts on these kinds of subjects. I don't need to rely on biased sources for what I believe in." And that my friends, sums it up. Rather than do the research, he'd rather just believe, based on the few measly morsels that support his gut feeling. Pompous, Fluffy, sometimes in here with you and the boys, I feel beyond pompous. If I could, I would take away your right to vote. Because an intellectual sloth is of no use to a competitive country with a tiny manufacturing base. Nor is it contributing to the development of the nervous system of tomorrow's human race. You're not frustrating. I'd pick a different adjective. You haven't a clue how much new shit I've read over these past couple days. And how many "bridge" details I've learned, tying together fragmented information I already have. I learned just today that we import more people to work in healthcare than who come here as medical tourists. That's money out the window my friend. Lots of money sent back to families in other countries, by people who occupy jobs that Americans should have. People like you actually help people like me. You provide me with a challenge, and a reason to do what I should be doing anyway, and that is learning about the world I live in. Taking time out for a beer and blowjob occasionally.

Thank you for that, keyboard warrior. Take away my right to vote. Live in arrogance, ignorance and blind belief in someone else's words. Yeah, because that's what a skeptic does. I don't think you understand what a real skeptic is. Just like the word irony. Used by so many, understood by so few, and almost always used out of context. But what do I know.

In the end, you aren't going to change a thing. Especially sitting behind that keyboard. And that is all you are ever going to do for your so-called beliefs. Nothing.

My beliefs are based on my gut feelings. I don't take one blog or opinion poll and call it fact, which is pretty much what you do. It's laughable at best. I've done plenty of reading over the past few years on the particular subject of global warming, and the only conclusion that I can come up with is that it is hardly man made. While you can argue this till you are dead, that is all you are capable of doing. Arguing and insulting because you aren't getting your way. Cry about it. If you feel so strongly about this, then perhaps you should pick a new field to work in, perhaps scientific research that will do something for your noble and just beliefs. It would certainly help your credibility, as opposed to typing angry words to "intellectual sloths" such as myself. How beneath you. But hey, you go ahead and rely on everyone else's work, and then tell the rest of us we're idiots for forming our own opinions.

That's pretty much it. And please, for the love of God, waste another hour or two thinking up a clever way to insult me. Waste a whole day doing it. Seriously. It would be wonderful. That way, when I see your blank post (because you're going on ignore), you'll have the satisfaction of knowing you got the last word over this intellectual sloth that shouldn't be allowed to vote because you think everyone else is beneath you. And just remember, inaction is just as good as action, as long as you look like you care about it by using words and "research."

[Minister Of Rock]

Originally Posted by Fastback91 If antarcica has been "decreasing in size" as you say how come How come the charts that the "National Snow and Ice Data Center" show differently? charts compare ice from 1980 to 2009 THis chart shows ice in July NSIDC BIST: Compare data: Sea Ice Index: Extent, Concentration, and Concentration Anomalies This Chart shows it in April NSIDC BIST: Compare data: Sea Ice Index: Extent, Concentration, and Concentration Anomalies

This has been ignored by Al Gore and every other liberal doing "scientific" research for years.

[Ke^in]

BTW it's the condescending pretentiousness that lost the left the elections in the Bush years. Why the left act as if they are "smarter" is beyond me. It verges on being laughable.

[catchtheroadrunner]

Originally Posted by FluffyTheRhino Thank you for that, keyboard warrior. Take away my right to vote. Live in arrogance, ignorance and blind belief in someone else's words. Yeah, because that's what a skeptic does. I don't think you understand what a real skeptic is. Just like the word irony. Used by so many, understood by so few, and almost always used out of context. But what do I know. In the end, you aren't going to change a thing. Especially sitting behind that keyboard. And that is all you are ever going to do for your so-called beliefs. Nothing. My beliefs are based on my gut feelings. I don't take one blog or opinion poll and call it fact, which is pretty much what you do. It's laughable at best. I've done plenty of reading over the past few years on the particular subject of global warming, and the only conclusion that I can come up with is that it is hardly man made. While you can argue this till you are dead, that is all you are capable of doing. Arguing and insulting because you aren't getting your way. Cry about it. If you feel so strongly about this, then perhaps you should pick a new field to work in, perhaps scientific research that will do something for your noble and just beliefs. It would certainly help your credibility, as opposed to typing angry words to "intellectual sloths" such as myself. How beneath you. But hey, you go ahead and rely on everyone else's work, and then tell the rest of us we're idiots for forming our own opinions. That's pretty much it. And please, for the love of God, waste another hour or two thinking up a clever way to insult me. Waste a whole day doing it. Seriously. It would be wonderful. That way, when I see your blank post (because you're going on ignore), you'll have the satisfaction of knowing you got the last word over this intellectual sloth that shouldn't be allowed to vote because you think everyone else is beneath you. And just remember, inaction is just as good as action, as long as you look like you care about it by using words and "research."

Have you even written a paper? When you did, I'm assuming you did it on a computer. And you probably used at least one quote from the net. How did you present it to your professor? When you argue live, don't you use quotes and cite sources. Have you been in a classroom beyond secondary education?

Again, Again, like beating concrete, I'm not adhering to the belief that Global warming is man made. Jesus Christ dude, there's no progression with you because you just keep falling back on nonsense. And you are making another logical error...What on Earth would make you think that all I do is sit behind a keyboard? Where the hell did that assumption come from? Your crystal ball is on the wrong station. Maybe your gut told you. To demonstrate the error I'll say it right back. All you do, fluff, is sit there and ramble on the internet. You're probably unemployed because you're too stupid to find legitimate employment. Is that a logical conclusion for me to make at all. No, it's a completely retarded obtuse assertion. Do you get it??? Your gut is failing you yet again.

Your Gut..... ????? Who needs formal education when we've got Fluffy's gut to guide us. Fluffinator, you have no idea what a skeptic is all about. If you did, you would know for certain that you would be kicked out of the club, because someone who uses their gut to guide them through life is the polar opposite of a skeptic.

And I went to the link posted by 04, it is smaller today than in 1980. Do you even look at what you reference?
Here's some info from a joint NSIDC/NOAA investigation.

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[catchtheroadrunner]

This one explains how Greenland is shrinking.

Arctic Report Card - Greenland Ice Sheet Mass Balance - Hanna, Box, Huybrechts

And this one is from Popular Mechanics describing the current trend for the arctic circle. Note that the decreasing northern latitude temps allowed more ice to build up last winter, but that's it's been melting at a record rate since springtime (read about the atlantic conveyor before you say something stupid like, "See the temps aren't going up, they're going down").

Record Arctic Ice Melt - Global Warming Statistics on Arctic Sea Ice - Popular Mechanics


The Atlantic Conveyor phenomenon.

A Chilling Possibility

"That's the paradoxical scenario gaining credibility among many climate scientists. The thawing of sea ice covering the Arctic could disturb or even halt large currents in the Atlantic Ocean. Without the vast heat that these ocean currents deliver--comparable to the power generation of a million nuclear power plants--Europe's average temperature would likely drop 5 to 10°C (9 to 18°F), and parts of eastern North America would be chilled somewhat less. Such a dip in temperature would be similar to global average temperatures toward the end of the last ice age roughly 20,000 years ago."

I know, it's from the keyboard warriors at NASA. And those liberals over at pop mechanics. Maybe you'll find some evidense to refute their claims.

[08blkgt500]

look at my car. do you think i care about gobal warming?

its just a bunch of bs.

[Ke^in]

So what is Canada going to do to save it's healthcare from crapping out? The French too. What are they going to do?

And if we adopt a similar system, being that we have a TON more people to deal with, unless we figure out a new way to deal with such a crapping out, why even go that way? Especially when there are other/better ways of fixing it.

This isn't me thinking from my "gut" This is common sense. Which BTW I think is what Fluffy is basically talking about when he says "from the gut" His common sense tells him that it's just not making sense.

As far as global warming goes. It's BIG BUSINESS. If you look at the prices to fully "green" your house, it costs quiet a penny. Now that's a market that used to not exist. Did Global warming create jobs were none existed? YES! Did it create new "markets" to sell "green" products in? YES Even though most of those products are HIGHLY debatable as to HOW they help the environment. So you ask, why would anyone on the left or right want to promote such silliness and scare-tactics? They can use Global Warming to attack business that support right wing "agendas" The global warming thing also helps usher in socialistic behavior and new age hillaballooey. It's not real. But the threat behind it is. THe reason it's being pushed. Especially by foreign countries that want to see the US in financial ruin.


Man Induced Global Warming Fraud

[03SonicBoom]

Originally Posted by catchtheroadrunner This one explains how Greenland is shrinking. Arctic Report Card - Greenland Ice Sheet Mass Balance - Hanna, Box, Huybrechts And this one is from Popular Mechanics describing the current trend for the arctic circle. Note that the decreasing northern latitude temps allowed more ice to build up last winter, but that's it's been melting at a record rate since springtime (read about the atlantic conveyor before you say something stupid like, "See the temps aren't going up, they're going down"). Record Arctic Ice Melt - Global Warming Statistics on Arctic Sea Ice - Popular Mechanics The Atlantic Conveyor phenomenon. A Chilling Possibility "That's the paradoxical scenario gaining credibility among many climate scientists. The thawing of sea ice covering the Arctic could disturb or even halt large currents in the Atlantic Ocean. Without the vast heat that these ocean currents deliver--comparable to the power generation of a million nuclear power plants--Europe's average temperature would likely drop 5 to 10°C (9 to 18°F), and parts of eastern North America would be chilled somewhat less. Such a dip in temperature would be similar to global average temperatures toward the end of the last ice age roughly 20,000 years ago." I know, it's from the keyboard warriors at NASA. And those liberals over at pop mechanics. Maybe you'll find some evidense to refute their claims.

No one is disputing the facts. The sky is blue, do you want me to try and prove it to you?

So you've shown the earth is getting warmer. So what? You haven't shown that humans have any effect on that.

[catchtheroadrunner]

Originally Posted by 03SonicBoom No one is disputing the facts. The sky is blue, do you want me to try and prove it to you? So you've shown the earth is getting warmer. So what? You haven't shown that humans have any effect on that.

NO FUCKING SHIT MORON, I'M NOT CLAIMING HUMANS DID IT? Read the fucking thread, or even just this page alone. I'm advocating being prepared. Not ignoring it like we are neanderthals of 10,000 years ago.

And thank you for supporting my claim that it is happening. Kevin are you there?

[catchtheroadrunner]

Originally Posted by Ke^in So what is Canada going to do to save it's healthcare from crapping out? The French too. What are they going to do? And if we adopt a similar system, being that we have a TON more people to deal with, unless we figure out a new way to deal with such a crapping out, why even go that way? Especially when there are other/better ways of fixing it. This isn't me thinking from my "gut" This is common sense. Which BTW I think is what Fluffy is basically talking about when he says "from the gut" His common sense tells him that it's just not making sense. As far as global warming goes. It's BIG BUSINESS. If you look at the prices to fully "green" your house, it costs quiet a penny. Now that's a market that used to not exist. Did Global warming create jobs were none existed? YES! Did it create new "markets" to sell "green" products in? YES Even though most of those products are HIGHLY debatable as to HOW they help the environment. So you ask, why would anyone on the left or right want to promote such silliness and scare-tactics? They can use Global Warming to attack business that support right wing "agendas" The global warming thing also helps usher in socialistic behavior and new age hillaballooey. It's not real. But the threat behind it is. THe reason it's being pushed. Especially by foreign countries that want to see the US in financial ruin. Man Induced Global Warming Fraud

Kevin, you are a disaster. It sure is big business. But that doesn't mean it isn't happening. You did read my post a few pages back in which I indicate that the system will steer farmers toward genetically modified strains of our staple crops. That is at least one way in which it will force a profit at the expense of the countries farmers.

But it won't hurt us as a country. It will help us as we enter into more treaties and business agreements with other poorer countries. We will tell them, "We'd love to do business with you, but we have to be sensitive to the environment. So if you'll grow your crops adhering to our certified programs we'll gladly import your foods or products." And who do you think will sell them the technology to adhere to those new trade guidelines? It'll be the developed countries. The developed countries will make money selling green technologies to poor countries who desperately want to sell their products.

Not only that, but when, if, their own climates change they will need to buy our genetically modified strains just to maintain their agricultural economies. Cha ching!!

My sister spent two years in the peace corps coordinating farmers around the country side of Maldova into coops so that our corporations could penetrate the markets easier (obviously she didn't know that was the goal, she was a tool until she bailed on the program). What better way to keep the developing world sucking our teet than to develop the technology to maintain life in a possible new environment?

Common sense???? Come on!

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by catchtheroadrunner And thank you for supporting my claim that it is happening. Kevin are you there?

Am I there for what? I never claimed the weather wasn't changing. All I am saying is, the whole "Global Warming" marketing ploy is just that. There is nothing really that can be done about the earth gradually changing. It's been doing it for a lot longer than we've been on it. We also have NO IDEA why the hole in the ozone layer is there. Or WHEN it started. The earth is doomed. Save the people.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by catchtheroadrunner Kevin, you are a disaster.

Silly projectionary character assassination. I've never said anything in any of my posts to personally attack you, or make baseless accusations about you like you have me. Why the hostility?

Common sense???? Come on!

What's wrong with common sense? BTW the rest of your rant was irrelevant to my position. I'd prefer you to read my posts about healthcare that you've never responded to. But we don't always get what we want.

[catchtheroadrunner]

Originally Posted by Ke^in Silly projectionary character assassination. I've never said anything in any of my posts to personally attack you, or make baseless accusations about you like you have me. Why the hostility? What's wrong with common sense? BTW the rest of your rant was irrelevant to my position. I'd prefer you to read my posts about healthcare that you've never responded to. But we don't always get what we want.

You are a disaster because you read something and run with it. No scrutiny at all. Garbage in, garbage out. I should not call you a disaster, that is not a fair judgement, but your methods need some work.

What would you like for me to respond to in your last healthcare post. It really didn't make any sense.

France's problems. Until recently the country was very satisfied. Their current problems are high drug costs, an aging population, and unemployment (less income tax means smaller budgets across the board). They also pay for every freaking ridiculous thing you can imagine. They pay for parking when you go to the doctor, or hospital, until recently they paid for postage when you corresponded with your doctor, etc, etc,. Professional commitment is also "claimed" to be a problem. One quote (paraphrased), "If you are scheduled to see patients at 8am, you don't show up for work at 11am and reschedule a handful of patients for another day."

Japan has the best model of socialized healthcare on earth. The japanese tax portion of their healthcare amounts to $280 dollars a month per family. They see doctors three times as often, and have the longest life expectancy of any country. They do not wait in lines to see their doctors, there's no backlog. On top of that, their doctors are not kept in check by insurance panels. A Japanese M.D. can order whatever test, or medication they feel necessary. This contrasts our system where a board decides what tests are allowed for what suspected conditions based on the current symptoms, or they'll tell you that you can't have a particular drug because it's not on the list of covered meds.

Japan's problems: Doctors are underpaid, They are also overworked because the people see their doctors three times as often. Hospitals are going broke because they only can bill the government (or the private insurance in the case of about 12% of the population) $10 a night, yet the japanese stay in the hospital longer, across the board, than sick americans. None of these I see as problems big enough to scrap their system. 80% of Japan's hospitals are privately owned.

So, all the healthcare models are hurting and need work, but ours is the only system that doesn't cover everyone with baseline healthcare. On top of that, even though we leave out nearly 20% of the population, we spend 33% more than the next highest spending country (and we still pay for parking and postage). So of all the systems of developed countries, our's is the least efficient.

The term "Common Sense" can only be used when you are surrounded by those who think like you. Clearly, you, fluffy, a host of others, and I, do not sure a common sense of things when it comes to GW and HC. Furthermore with the wealth of info at your fingertips, an attempt at the "common sense" angle is lazy. I have my gut feelings about things. But rather than run with them, I sit down and do the research. If I cant support my gut feeling, I'm not allowed to voice my gut feeling unless I clearly qualify it as "gut feeling", so as to not mislead others into thinking that I've done some sort of research to back it up. In my gut I can't ignore the footprint humans have left on this planet. The pacific garbage patch has gone from 300,000 pieces per square kilometer 10 years ago, to nearly 1,000,000 this year (not related to global warming, but a big picture indicator of how we've touched the most unlikely of places). Deforestation for agriculture continues even though 30 percent of all harvested/slaughtered food globally goes bad in transit due to poor storage and transport techniques (point being, I don't understand why investments aren't made to ensure more food arrives intact, rather than clearing more forest to grow more.) We know that plants/trees sequester carbon dioxide, yet we are cutting them down by the millions of acres.

However, with the research I've done so far because of this thread, I have not found any credible sources that lay out how humans are profoundly affecting GW. Sure I can find a million sources that say it is, but when you check out their homepage, or who their editors are, their sources of funding, who uses their info most often, they become suspiciously left wing. So my gut is not allowed a voice on that aspect of global warming. The other overwhelming problem is that anything that claims we are hurting the environment usually comes from the left, so no matter how accurate it is, people like yourself will not even read the headline. Conservatives will not even make an issue over how much agro runoff is hurting the environment. It's like deny a punch is headed to your face until it actually lands.

Deny deny deny, and keep the doors open for business.

Lastly, regarding your pompous attitude=lost election comment. I was a Republican until Bush. So if that comment was for me, your judgement/assumption failed you. I did not vote for him because his track record was horrible. And I was right. He and his cabinet had 8 years to analyze indicators that would've shown we were headed for a recession, and either never even saw a hint of what was to come, or didn't bother to do anything about it. I'm not referring to the cause. You don't need to know who set the house on fire to recognize that it's burning and Bush's admin never even smelled the smoke. I now regard myself as a moderate repub/demo, and I'm waiting impatiently for some decent leadership to retake the republican party.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by catchtheroadrunner You are a disaster because you read something and run with it.

Examples of me "running" with it.

No scrutiny at all.

What do you know of what I scrutinize and what I do not?

Garbage in, garbage out. I should not call you a disaster, that is not a fair judgement, but your methods need some work.

Aah.. how condescending and pretentious.

What would you like for me to respond to in your last healthcare post. It really didn't make any sense.

It made perfect sense.

France's problems. Until recently the country was very satisfied.

Right. Socialistic ideals are a good thing at first. They don't sustain very well in the long run.

So, all the healthcare models are hurting and need work, but ours is the only system that doesn't cover everyone with baseline healthcare.

1. Healthcare isn't a right
2. No one gets turned away at a ER if you don't have any insurance.

The term "Common Sense" can only be used when you are surrounded by those who think like you.

Not at all. I can be surrounded by idiots that think nothing like me, and I can still make judgements based on common sense. Common sense does exist. Some people refuse to listen to it. And listen to their greed, irrational zealous political infliction, or their pants far too often. I am also a firm believer that once you stop listening to reason, or common sense, you lose it all together. God knows I've seen my share of cases in my life.

Clearly, you, fluffy, a host of others, and I, do not sure a common sense of things when it comes to GW and HC.

I'll take it you meant share instead of sure.

Furthermore with the wealth of info at your fingertips, an attempt at the "common sense" angle is lazy.

You are assuming that I am not using common sense in coming to an answer from reading that wealth of information. Another leftist lie. That somehow, anyone that doesn't think like they do, are suddenly non-educated, or don't know about the situation. Because after all, if they did, they OBVIOUSLY wouldn't come to the conclusion they do.

Lastly, regarding your pompous attitude=lost election comment.

It wasn't a pompous attitude. But I find you making such a comment to be ironic considering how you've been acting towards anyone that doesn't agree with you. I never personally attacked you, but you felt the need to do so to me. I guess that was my pompousness in action. And it's true. It was the pretentious "we are better than they are" attitude that lost them the election.

I was a Republican until Bush. So if that comment was for me, your judgement/assumption failed you.

Did I single you out? No. Why are you being so defensive?

I did not vote for him because his track record was horrible.

I was no Bush fan. I'm still not. But the other choice was worse. Their track record was abysmal. I'm neither Democrat or Republican. I think they are both full of shit. Anyone that thinks either side has a moral lead over another is fooling themselves. I voted for Clinton during his first election. I was upset that Bush Sr. didn't finish the job. Clinton said he was going to be harder on Iraq than Bush Sr was. All while wagging that finger of his. Clinton didn't do SHIT to Iraq till it was convenient for him to do so because he got caught with his hand in the nookie jar. And when he did bomb Iraq, he never asked UN for approval. Got some flack from that. But the media by and large ignored it. The Clinton years woke me up to a lot of things. You are mistaken if you think I am a Bush fan though. I am not however one of those anti-Bush zealots that acted like he was a vampire that was going to suck the blood of everyone. All the Bullshit I heard from the Left about what was going to do, never came to be. Imagine that. Just like some of the right wing wackos making scare tactics about Obama. I make fun of those too. I am an equal opportunity offender. I wont act like one side has some moral authority over another. I do know I dislike Socialism AKA Communism.

And I was right. He and his cabinet had 8 years to analyze indicators that would've shown we were headed for a recession, and either never even saw a hint of what was to come, or didn't bother to do anything about it. I'm not referring to the cause. You don't need to know who set the house on fire to recognize that it's burning and Bush's admin never even smelled the smoke. I now regard myself as a moderate repub/demo, and I'm waiting impatiently for some decent leadership to retake the republican party.

Please. Bush had little to do with the economy. Those that think the president has a magic economy button tells me they really have no clue what they are talking about.



Our "Great" 90s economy was caused more by the Bill Gates and Steve Jobs of the world than anyone in Politics. Of course the tech stocks were overinflated. When they burst in the late 90s, early 2k, right before Clinton left, so did the economy.

That didn't stop the anti-Bush zealots from blaming it all on him. And the sheeple followed and blamed too. Our economy hasn't snapped back since then. I wouldn't blame Clinton for the rise or fall of that either.

It's why our economy still stinks. Obama isn't going to suddenly fix it. It will eventually recover like it always does. And whoever is president at the time will take full credit for it. Probably wont have anything to do with it however.

I know making a ton of McJobs and Wal-mart and telemarketing jobs isn't the answer. Though that's what Clinton did. You can thank all those telemarketing calls and the influx of wal-mart overpopulation on Clinton though. Those were the jobs he bragged about creating.

I suggest when you reply to me next that you leave the conversational terrorism at the door. If your rant was so just, you'd not have to revert to such shenanigans.

[Ke^in]

BTW remember, tolerance isn't accepting someone's beliefs as being legit. Tolerance is how you treat the very people you disagree with.

For example, you can think socialized healthcare is a crock of shit, and still treat Obama with respect.

Some people can't understand how that works for some reason.

[catchtheroadrunner]

[quote=Fastback91;2228845]'Consensus' Takes Another Hit! More than 60 German Scientists Dissent Over Global Warming Claims! Call Climate Fears 'Pseudo 'Religion'; Urge Chancellor to 'reconsider' views | Climate Depot

I went back to the link to start looking at the research and data. I hit a bump in the road early. I link labelled "peer reviewed studies" is provided. Yet it only goes to one paper.

Peer-Reviewed Study Rocks Climate Debate! 'Nature not man responsible for recent global warming...little or none of late 20th century warming and cooling can be attributed to humans' | Climate Depot

The paper was written by Chris De Freitas, Sallie Baliunas, and Willie Soon. And here is what happened after they wrote it. Chris De Freitas is a frequent receiver of grant money from Exxon, as well as an employee for Competitive Enterprise Institute, a conservative lobbying/think tank.

Chris de Freitas, formerly one of the editors of a journal called "Climate Research," de Freitas was involved in a controversy surrounding a research article co-authored by Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon. The article reviewed previous scientific papers and came to the conclusion that climate hasn't changed in the last 2000 years. But 13 of the authors of the papers Baliunas and Soon cited refuted her interpretation of their work, and several editors of Climate Research resigned in protest at a flawed peer review process which allowed the publication.

Among the sharp criticisms of the Climate Research paper was one from Michael Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Penn State University. When von Storch, then the journal’s editor, read Mann’s critique, he said he realized his journal should never have accepted the study: “If it would have been properly reviewed, it would have been rejected on the basis of methodological flaws.” Shortly after, Von Storch, along with two other members of the Climate Research editorial board resigned in protest - "they submitted flawed research," Von Stroch stated at the time.

After the controversy a more extensive version of the research was published in Energy and Environment, operated by Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen.




So whoever wrote the article claiming that the 60 scientists revolted, in part because of new, peer reviewed, published research paper, is mistaken.

I'll follow the other links tomorrow. I don't have what it takes to review data tonight.

[Ke^in]

Kill the messenger, and ignore the message.

[catchtheroadrunner]

Originally Posted by Ke^in Kill the messenger, and ignore the message.

The message was deeply flawed research. I think it's ok to ignore that message!