[cams-shelbycobra07]

Thats the whole point on the ford gt its older and will kill a z06 and go look at kb stage 3 it makes alot of horse check out youtube type in kb shelby

[Vettefast]

Originally Posted by cams-shelbycobra07 More reasonable then the vettes go over sticker to if you didnt know

I think you missed the point. Corvettes, Z06s and GT500s are not reasonable priced. So in his own definition the GT500 is not a " Muscle Car". In fact you can get a base 08 Corvette for around $45,000 out the door so I guess it has a better chance of being considered a muscle car then the over priced GT 500.

[Vettefast]

Originally Posted by cams-shelbycobra07 Thats the whole point on the ford gt its older and will kill a z06 and go look at kb stage 3 it makes alot of horse check out youtube type in kb shelby

and $100,000 more that's why they don't make them anymore. We are talking of cars in the same range. Maybe you should check out a few Factory authorized twin turbo Corvettes that would "kill" the Ford GT for around the same price.

[manOwar]

Originally Posted by Vettefast Well actually you must be having a hard time with reading comprehension. You ruled out the GT500 In your own definition. at an affordable price. Most of these models were based on "regular" production vehicles. These vehicles are generally not considered muscle cars, even when equipped with large V8s. If there was a high performance version available, it gets the credit, and not the vehicle that it was based on." So the GT500 is reasonable priced

Mine was at a reasonable/affordable price and everyone else that bought the car was at an reasonable/affordable price or they wouldn't have it. I could even afford the Mods. So whats your point?

The car is a regular production car built on an assembly line. 10,000 + where built this year and 8,000 + 1000 KR's will be built for MY '08. How many ZO6's were built for the MY '07 and how many built for MY '08?

Big V8 is your only arggument here. It's only 330ci S/C V8 so "If there was a high performance version available, it gets the credit, and not the vehicle that it was based on." So again, what's your Point?

[Vettefast]

Originally Posted by manOwar $45k? Wishful Thinking. Used cars have been selling at $50k +. And what's with the Pig Comments still getting thrown out? 200lbs more than the 03-04 Cobra gets you stiffer chassis, better brakes, Bigger engine that responds to mods much better, better clutch and Trans, better looks and interior.... Whats the GT weigh, 3650? 300HP? Hmmmm. Let the Flaming begin!!!

Just to let you know I am not ragging on the Mustang I love the car that's why I bought it. I am just responding to manOwar's post above. I beleive the GT500 will hold it's value and down the road will be worth it's wait in gold. This is only for what it is, a low production, high power muscle car inwhich is not easy to get a hold of even while in production. But as for it's performance #s it is below expectation for the price you have to pay.

[manOwar]

Double post, sorry!! Had some incoming that knocked the power out for a few.... Damn I'm tired of Iraq!!

[Vettefast]

Originally Posted by "manOwar Mine was at a reasonable/affordable price and everyone else that bought the car was at an reasonable/affordable price or they wouldn't have it. I could even afford the Mods. So whats your point?

And someone who buys a exotic for $270,000 and makes the same statement you made above makes it resonably priced? Please!!!

[96GTRagTop]

Originally Posted by CarRamRod I don't really like the look of the front at all on the GT 500's.

Originally Posted by flattusmaximus78 ^^^ thats the best part .

which obviously says something about the car.... doesn't it?

Originally Posted by cams-shelbycobra07 Manowar i got your back the weight is made up for buy the power. And if you didnt notice man of wars car will kill a zo6

he's also got an extra 10k under the hood.

[manOwar]

Originally Posted by Vettefast Originally Posted by "manOwar Mine was at a reasonable/affordable price and everyone else that bought the car was at an reasonable/affordable price or they wouldn't have it. I could even afford the Mods. So whats your point? And someone who buys a exotic for $270,000 and makes the same statement you made above makes it resonable priced? Please!!!

It is for them, not for me!! Don't take this out of text. 50-100K, yeah I'm game. I don't think the Enzo in worth a cool mil. But then again, I gave up on my first Million, now I'm working on my second!!!

Dude, it's what a guy wants and what he can afford. I picture vette owners have a ton of gold chains around their neck and with their shirts unbuttoned half way down. Vette guys see Stang owners as Poor Lil boy's that can afford a "Sport" car.

No Big deal, we'll get our old tractor turbos, bailin' wire, some Moonshine in the tank and take their women!!

[manOwar]

Originally Posted by 96GTRagTop he's also got an extra 10k under the hood.

still alot less than $70k!! and I have'nt put the "shot" on or the Race gas/ tune in!!

http://feeds.feedburner.com/ThrMustangPerformanceBlog

[96GTRagTop]

i understand that........

why are people always justifing this car by saying it's cheaper.......let me put it this way....

ussually when something cost more it's got better parts, made better, DESIGNED better. besides, its a differnet class car.

the corvette ZO6 is now in the supercar territory....STOCK.

[Vettefast]

Originally Posted by 96GTRagTop i understand that........ why are people always justifing this car by saying it's cheaper.......let me put it this way.... ussually when something cost more it's got better parts, made better, DESIGNED better. besides, its a differnet class car. the corvette ZO6 is now in the supercar territory....STOCK.

and with a warranty!

[96GTRagTop]

also........what PSI are u boosting at......after a certian point ur cars gonna peak......where as the ZO6 is still all motor and has so much more room to grow...

click this

that car has 150 hp less then u mind u.......but look how hard the Z06 is pulling on that car..... if u tune the ZO6 and put 100 shot on her ur dust...

[manOwar]

Originally Posted by 96GTRagTop i understand that........ why are people always justifing this car by saying it's cheaper.......let me put it this way.... ussually when something cost more it's got better parts, made better, DESIGNED better. besides, its a differnet class car. the corvette ZO6 is now in the supercar territory....STOCK.

Finally, someone with some sense. A mustang will never reach "supercar territory". Not in the same leauge!! EOS!!! People are paying a Premium because they can. Blam the Baby Boomers.... As for me, I wanted it and I bought it... That's all!!

[manOwar]

Originally Posted by Vettefast Originally Posted by 96GTRagTop i understand that........ why are people always justifing this car by saying it's cheaper.......let me put it this way.... ussually when something cost more it's got better parts, made better, DESIGNED better. besides, its a differnet class car. the corvette ZO6 is now in the supercar territory....STOCK. and with a warranty!

I modded the car, I don't care about the warranty!!

[Vettefast]

No one said a Mustang will not eventually reach supercar territory. Down the road I am sure it will lose about 500lbs and get a much lower stance and then it will be well on it's way.

[manOwar]

Originally Posted by 96GTRagTop also........what PSI are u boosting at......after a certian point ur cars gonna peak......where as the ZO6 is still all motor and has so much more room to grow... click this that car has 150 hp less then u mind u.......but look how hard the Z06 is pulling on that car..... if u tune the ZO6 and put 100 shot on her ur dust...

I'm at 14.5psi on pump gas making 700+ WHP and 650+ WTQ. I posted a vid where they're making 24PSI with no problem.... Whats the deal?

[flattusmaximus78]

I wouldn't say if you just put a 100 shot on a z06 a kb gt500 would be dust.

[LV51FER]

Originally Posted by cams-shelbycobra07 Manowar i got your back the weight is made up for buy the power. And if you didnt notice man of wars car will kill a zo6

There is no point to added power if it is negated by additional weight.

With no disrespect to the power of the GT500 in question, it takes more than that to be a fast car except in a straight line. The whole weakness of a GT500 is having all the weight in the nose so the rest of the car will inevitably be spun round it.

It takes more than power to make a fast car and if you glance at the Top Gear track results, that becomes abundantly obvious. There are lots of very high horsepower cars in the top performers, most with 600 or 700hp to play with. The Z06 with a "mere" 505hp shows what a great handling car it is. You will spot the Ford GT above it, an even better performance from "550hp" but darned close for the difference in price and you'll make up the difference at the gas pumps...
Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0
Ariel Atom 1.19.5
Lamborghini LP640 1.19.8
Porsche Carerra GT 1.19.8
Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4
Ascari KZ1 1.20.7
Mercedes McLaren SLR 1.20.9
Ford GT 1.21.9
Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3
Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3
Corvette Z06 1.22.4
Noble M15 1.22.5
Murcielago 1.23.7
Zonda 1.23.8
Koenigsegg 1.23.9

The stock GT500 was way off the pace at 1:30 and the lesser-powered and lighter Roush 427 turned in a 1:28.

It's true the Z06 initially commanded a premium but they are available at under list now.

For the person who suggested the Shelby has more heritage, the Z06 name came from a performance race car option on the 1963 Corvette but then legends can be modern as well as old and the Z06 name has rapidly become a modern legend without having to rely on past glories that may have been glorified by rose-tinted specs. Be honest though, it's an SVT with a Shelby badge - did that make you just as excited? I'm never going to buy a car or rate a car based on some badge or believeing it will be a collector's car (which it won't) - I'd agree with the above poster who said it will be worth it's "wait" in gold - but the wait will be a couple of centuries.

I'm not "against" Mustangs or the GT500 nor "for" the Z06. Indeed, I sold my C5 Z06 and supercharged a GT and have pretty much similar performance and both have good points and bad points without having to conclude that either one of them is "better" and that's the point here, you can debate facts all day long but we all have preferences, we all have a choice and we all buy our cars for emotional reasons as well as comparative reasons.

As long as you're wearing this and get out of the car feeling then who cares about the bercause at the end of the day, YOUR car is :award because you thought enough of it to buy it.

PS The C6 Z06 is ugly and I'd have a Ford GT over it in a heartbeat not based on anything but desire and notwithstanding those stoopid doors.

The GT500 also makes a heap more sense when tuned beyond the 4.6 power limits because then it comes into its own.

As for nitrous, it's like a premature ejaculation. A short-lived and temporary "fix" that runs out really quickly and makes you look stupid when you can't repeat it. Not like a real engine.

[Vettefast]

Originally Posted by manOwar Originally Posted by Vettefast Originally Posted by 96GTRagTop i understand that........ why are people always justifing this car by saying it's cheaper.......let me put it this way.... ussually when something cost more it's got better parts, made better, DESIGNED better. besides, its a differnet class car. the corvette ZO6 is now in the supercar territory....STOCK. and with a warranty! I modded the car, I don't care about the warranty!!

Difference is half way down the track you and the Z06 blow up. He gets a new Vette you get a blown up GT500.