Why can't v8's hold as much?

AnglicoGT98 · September 19th, 2007, 01:37 PM

I have the feeling this might be controversial subject but oh well! The other day another Marine and I were reading one of his import magazines and they have this 1992 skyline (Nissan 240sx for domestic folk!) and the thing has a stock compression ratio of like 9.1:1. Put header back exhaust on and a fuel pump.injector upgrade and load the thing up with 24psi intercooled! It had like 420RWHP with an 11:1 compression ratio! Everything was stock except for what I mentioned. And it could run pump gas. And for those who may not know, this car is a 4 cylinder 2.0L.

Now the purpose of this post wasn't to talk up an import...it was to give some background on my question. So...how in the hell is it this freaking import can hold all of this boost and run that much HP and still have stock internals?? And our V8's wouldn't be able to do that? I mean, in theory, if a 4cyl could hold over 400HP, why can't we hold atleast 500HP on a stock bottom end and internals? Someone please enlighten me!?!?

ChrisJ · September 19th, 2007, 01:44 PM

Becuase we have hypertonic (sp?) rods...

Those little 4 bangers are forged...

Put it side by side with an 03 Cobra and see who makes more power...I bet the 240 falls rather short...

GTsetGO · September 19th, 2007, 01:45 PM

it's the quality of the internals brah. ours are crap. ie not forged and just dont' have the ability to withstand that kind of power.

that's it, plain and simple.

HMUSN · September 19th, 2007, 01:46 PM

exactly.

there engines are forged so they can boost it more.

as is the Cobras.

GTsetGO · September 19th, 2007, 01:46 PM

thanks for beating me to the punch chris.

jersey98gt · September 19th, 2007, 01:46 PM

what wins for us though is torque i bet that thing made 420hp and about 275 tq

MSO · September 19th, 2007, 01:47 PM

2.3Ts can handle 4-500 hp stock

whereas 2.3s cant handle more than 6pounds of boost (which is like.. 140hp?? lol)

ChrisJ · September 19th, 2007, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by My'StangOpens

2.3Ts can handle 4-500 hp stock

whereas 2.3s cant handle more than 6pounds of boost (which is like.. 140hp?? lol)

They have forged internals...

MSO · September 19th, 2007, 01:50 PM

:wink

GTsetGO · September 19th, 2007, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by My'StangOpens

2.3Ts can handle 4-500 hp stock

whereas 2.3s cant handle more than 6pounds of boost (which is like.. 140hp?? lol)

ford wanted to give you guys some kind of hope.

AnglicoGT98 · September 19th, 2007, 02:04 PM

And that thing had more than 275lbs of torque bro. I'll see if I can get the exact numbers....but either way it makes our dowmestics seem like we got ripped!

That's totally BS! I'm really unmotivated now. These little 4 bangers that you can pick up for like 4 grand and boost the shit out of them. And our big ass V8s are.....Argghh, I don't even want to finish.

Vinyl66 · September 19th, 2007, 02:10 PM

the biggest problem with the high boost 4 banger ricers is that they are still super gay.

ChrisJ · September 19th, 2007, 02:10 PM

Its never cheap...

The grass is always greener on the other side...

If you had forged internals and a poweradder you would be putting their numbers to shame...

Nate's4.6 · September 19th, 2007, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by AnglicoGT98

And that thing had more than 275lbs of torque bro. I'll see if I can get the exact numbers....but either way it makes our dowmestics seem like we got ripped!

That's totally BS! I'm really unmotivated now. These little 4 bangers that you can pick up for like 4 grand and boost the shit out of them. And our big ass V8s are.....Argghh, I don't even want to finish.

First off 275 ft lbs of tourqe is a joke.

Also did you read any.......I mean any of the responces?

If you want a V8 with a forged set up to handle boost like that then get a 03/04 Cobra. Only thing that is going to match that is a Supra block and that is it.

4 bangers have a bit of a edge on boost out of the "box". But they are also turbo to begin with and most V8's are not FI. So they need the forged bottom end out of the gate (FI 4 bangers that is). I really see no reason to get all worked up cause a factory turbo car has a forged bottom end and a N/A car does not.

MSO · September 19th, 2007, 02:20 PM

you're getting yourself worked up for no reason

i highly doubt he has 24pounds of boost with an 11:1 compression ratio and the only upgrades are a injector upgrade and exhaust

tahts bs

he got some serious money in it

and 11:1? thats beastly.. 2.3Ts use 8:1 and on 24 pounds 400 hp is pretty damn easy

ChrisJ · September 19th, 2007, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by My'StangOpens

you're getting yourself worked up for no reason

i highly doubt he has 24pounds of boost with an 11:1 compression ratio and the only upgrades are a injector upgrade and exhaust

tahts bs

he got some serious money in it

and 11:1? thats beastly.. 2.3Ts use 8:1 and on 24 pounds 400 hp is pretty damn easy

Yeah I have to agree with MSO (again)...

11:1 is some helacious compression for 24#s of boost...Hell you could not even run that car on pump gas even if it was possible at all...

Nate's4.6 · September 19th, 2007, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisJ

11:1 is some helacious compression for 24#s of boost...Hell you could not even run that car on pump gas even if it was possible at all...

That would be a wild ass motor to run at all. I don't care what kind gas it is running. That is a lot of boost on a short stroke.

MSO · September 19th, 2007, 02:27 PM

yea man.. on 11:1 you're going to send that block to boosted heaven in no time

JASonic · September 19th, 2007, 02:29 PM

Im not a car expert but my first question would be, how long will a 240 last producing that much hp? I mean, the "internals" arent the only thing that keep an engine running. How long will the transmission, brakes, SEALS, vacuum lines etc last? Would it be possible to get 300 hp out of my 6er with some minimal extreme mods? Maybe. But it wouldnt be a daily driver for long.

How many other parts would you end up needing to replace within the first week of that kind of beating? Maybe Im wrong but most people dont have the pocket book to support that.

I know I can realistically mod my V-6 for another 30-50 hp with under $1000 and not have to seriously modify anything else. And still drive it everyday with confidence.

so I say, yes, its cool that Skylines can be made to put out that kind of hp, but would you want to?

MSO · September 19th, 2007, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by ja002gl

Im not a car expert but my first question would be, how long will a 240 last producing that much hp? I mean, the "internals" arent the only thing that keep an engine running. How long will the transmission, brakes, SEALS, vacuum lines etc last? Would it be possible to get 300 hp out of my 6er with some minimal extreme mods? Maybe. But it wouldnt be a daily driver for long.

How many other parts would you end up needing to replace within the first week of that kind of beating? Maybe Im wrong but most people dont have the pocket book to support that.

I know I can realistically mod my V-6 for another 30-50 hp with under $1000 and not have to seriously modify anything else. And still drive it everyday with confidence.

so I say, yes, its cool that Skylines can be made to put out that kind of hp, but would you want to?

wrongo bucko

lol

and 50hp would cost you $1000?

pfft..

September 19th, 2007, 01:37 PM	#1
AnglicoGT98 Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 630 iTrader: 2 reviews	Why can't v8's hold as much? I have the feeling this might be controversial subject but oh well! The other day another Marine and I were reading one of his import magazines and they have this 1992 skyline (Nissan 240sx for domestic folk!) and the thing has a stock compression ratio of like 9.1:1. Put header back exhaust on and a fuel pump.injector upgrade and load the thing up with 24psi intercooled! It had like 420RWHP with an 11:1 compression ratio! Everything was stock except for what I mentioned. And it could run pump gas. And for those who may not know, this car is a 4 cylinder 2.0L. Now the purpose of this post wasn't to talk up an import...it was to give some background on my question. So...how in the hell is it this freaking import can hold all of this boost and run that much HP and still have stock internals?? And our V8's wouldn't be able to do that? I mean, in theory, if a 4cyl could hold over 400HP, why can't we hold atleast 500HP on a stock bottom end and internals? Someone please enlighten me!?!? __________________ Parting out 2003 SVT Cobra Air/Fuel http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...003-cobra.html Engine http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...003-cobra.html

September 19th, 2007, 01:44 PM	#2
ChrisJ RLY SRS Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ft. Meade, MD Posts: 36,743 Blog Entries: 4 iTrader: 9 reviews	Becuase we have hypertonic (sp?) rods... Those little 4 bangers are forged... Put it side by side with an 03 Cobra and see who makes more power...I bet the 240 falls rather short... __________________ 2008 Acura TL Type-S - 2008 EB Ford Expedition - 2002 Boosted GT - Sold Facebook Google+

September 19th, 2007, 01:45 PM	#3
GTsetGO Cigar Assassin 2004 Mustang GT 12.88 @ 112 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: A Galaxy Far, Far Away Posts: 13,888 iTrader: 10 reviews	it's the quality of the internals brah. ours are crap. ie not forged and just dont' have the ability to withstand that kind of power. that's it, plain and simple. __________________ Cigar Samplers for Sale

September 19th, 2007, 01:46 PM	#4
HMUSN Doc 1986 SVO Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 36,836 iTrader: 9 reviews	exactly. there engines are forged so they can boost it more. as is the Cobras. __________________

September 19th, 2007, 01:46 PM	#5
GTsetGO Cigar Assassin 2004 Mustang GT 12.88 @ 112 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: A Galaxy Far, Far Away Posts: 13,888 iTrader: 10 reviews	thanks for beating me to the punch chris. __________________ Cigar Samplers for Sale

September 19th, 2007, 01:46 PM	#6
jersey98gt Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 661 iTrader: 0 reviews	what wins for us though is torque i bet that thing made 420hp and about 275 tq __________________ -BBK CAI, BASSANI CB + X, SCT 93 tune, 4.10s, Cobra brakes, Cobra R wrapped in nitto 555 tire. -College Football and studies take up the bulk of my time.

September 19th, 2007, 01:47 PM	#7
MSO Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: アメリカ Posts: 5,954 iTrader: 0 reviews	2.3Ts can handle 4-500 hp stock whereas 2.3s cant handle more than 6pounds of boost (which is like.. 140hp?? lol) __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [SIZE="5"][FONT="Arial Black"]OBEY THE FACE![/FONT][/SIZE] Edited By Moderator. Next time will be a ban.

September 19th, 2007, 01:50 PM	#9
MSO Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: アメリカ Posts: 5,954 iTrader: 0 reviews	:wink __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [SIZE="5"][FONT="Arial Black"]OBEY THE FACE![/FONT][/SIZE] Edited By Moderator. Next time will be a ban.

September 19th, 2007, 02:04 PM	#11
AnglicoGT98 Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 630 iTrader: 2 reviews	And that thing had more than 275lbs of torque bro. I'll see if I can get the exact numbers....but either way it makes our dowmestics seem like we got ripped! That's totally BS! I'm really unmotivated now. These little 4 bangers that you can pick up for like 4 grand and boost the shit out of them. And our big ass V8s are.....Argghh, I don't even want to finish. __________________ Parting out 2003 SVT Cobra Air/Fuel http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...003-cobra.html Engine http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...003-cobra.html

September 19th, 2007, 02:10 PM	#12
Vinyl66 Anatidaephobic 1966 Vinyl Mustang 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,353 iTrader: 0 reviews	the biggest problem with the high boost 4 banger ricers is that they are still super gay. __________________ Pittsburgh Steelers/Penguins/Pirates FTMFW!!!!!

September 19th, 2007, 02:20 PM	#15
MSO Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: アメリカ Posts: 5,954 iTrader: 0 reviews	you're getting yourself worked up for no reason i highly doubt he has 24pounds of boost with an 11:1 compression ratio and the only upgrades are a injector upgrade and exhaust tahts bs he got some serious money in it and 11:1? thats beastly.. 2.3Ts use 8:1 and on 24 pounds 400 hp is pretty damn easy __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [SIZE="5"][FONT="Arial Black"]OBEY THE FACE![/FONT][/SIZE] Edited By Moderator. Next time will be a ban.

September 19th, 2007, 02:27 PM	#18
MSO Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: アメリカ Posts: 5,954 iTrader: 0 reviews	yea man.. on 11:1 you're going to send that block to boosted heaven in no time __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [SIZE="5"][FONT="Arial Black"]OBEY THE FACE![/FONT][/SIZE] Edited By Moderator. Next time will be a ban.

September 19th, 2007, 02:29 PM	#19
JASonic The George Forman of Keepers Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,406 iTrader: 20 reviews	Im not a car expert but my first question would be, how long will a 240 last producing that much hp? I mean, the "internals" arent the only thing that keep an engine running. How long will the transmission, brakes, SEALS, vacuum lines etc last? Would it be possible to get 300 hp out of my 6er with some minimal extreme mods? Maybe. But it wouldnt be a daily driver for long. How many other parts would you end up needing to replace within the first week of that kind of beating? Maybe Im wrong but most people dont have the pocket book to support that. I know I can realistically mod my V-6 for another 30-50 hp with under $1000 and not have to seriously modify anything else. And still drive it everyday with confidence. so I say, yes, its cool that Skylines can be made to put out that kind of hp, but would you want to?

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