Well A Better Idea Than A Turbo

MSO · November 12th, 2007, 06:35 AM

Ok. I didn't want to mention it but I was thinking about turbo charging my 5.0. I got to thinking about it and how in efficient even turbos are (compressor efficiencies of about 80% at best).

Since a turbo's function is to pressurize incoming air and force it into the upper motor, and turbos are driven by high pressure exhaust gas created from the combustion process, couldn't I just bypass the turbo altogether and route my headers back into the throttle bodies?

I could balance the DEI (direct exhaust injection as I just coined it) by feeding one header into each throttle body. The air would just keep re-circulating. Yes, the charge air wouldn’t be that cold, but it would be under a hell of a lot more pressure.

I attached a quick sketch below:

What do you guys think?

good idea or no?

coreyflipp · November 12th, 2007, 09:07 AM

No. On a turbo the exhaust runs the turbine which turns the compressor which is pumping in filtered compressed air. You can't just run your filthy hot exhaust straight back into your engine.

HMUSN · November 12th, 2007, 09:09 AM

third repost on the site.

Goblin · November 12th, 2007, 09:11 AM

Are you serious? I mean, are you literally serious?

HMUSN · November 12th, 2007, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by Goblin

Are you serious? I mean, are you literally serious?

no he isn't
Check Out This Badd Ass Idea For A Vett!

JBIGBOOTSY · November 12th, 2007, 09:12 AM

This is a joke? right?, Because if your serious, then you need get this new technology trademarked or somthing cause you're gonna be a rich man!

ryans88gt · November 12th, 2007, 09:31 AM

Actually this was used in the first high altitude world war one airplanes. They simply filtered the exhaust and had an oxygen injector. This is where the idea for a turbo actually originated.

Congrats you have reverse engineered.

Iwannagofast · November 12th, 2007, 09:31 AM

why is he wasting his time drawing twice the egine when his is only half of one.......lol

MSO · November 12th, 2007, 10:09 AM

i can make it work man, with the right tune i can have the fuel leaned out to compensate for the lack of oxygen

TurboLX · November 12th, 2007, 10:16 AM

wow repost

MSO · November 12th, 2007, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by TurboLX

wow repost

wow...

JBIGBOOTSY · November 12th, 2007, 10:53 AM

But it won't make cool vroom vroom sounds.

MSO · November 12th, 2007, 11:20 AM

but it will make unlimited power

just think about it, the gas comes out and goes right back in, add more fuel and more gas is made, then keep adding more fuel cuz more gas is being made

its unlimited power

Speedstang302 · November 12th, 2007, 11:35 AM

WOW mso never thought you'd stoop this low...

95StangMX · November 12th, 2007, 12:41 PM

what about an oxygen or air tank plummed into your tb? would be like nos but cheaper and you could get a compressor on the car and stay filled all of the time

GTsetGO · November 12th, 2007, 12:50 PM

how could anyone know that MSO would be a day late and a dollar short on this???

Drick · November 12th, 2007, 12:57 PM

Wow how did I miss this thread

.

This is pure gold

Speedstang302 · November 12th, 2007, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by 8t6gt

Wow how did I miss this thread .

This is pure gold

lets just say you may consider getting you're head outta MSO's crotch...

nova50 · November 12th, 2007, 01:54 PM

well i guess im here to prove everyone wrong.....I am already running this setup and its perfect. There is zero emissions and i rarely have to fill up i just tune it to run rich and recycle the fuel, I tried to dyno it but the dyno couldnt hold the power. The car destroyed the dyno and i had to ask my uncle Gates to pay for the damages how do yall feel now.....pretty dumb huh?

Speedstang302 · November 12th, 2007, 02:04 PM

^ something bout gay parade and uncle bill gates..and im lost...

November 12th, 2007, 06:35 AM	#1
MSO Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: アメリカ Posts: 5,933 iTrader: 0 reviews	Well A Better Idea Than A Turbo Ok. I didn't want to mention it but I was thinking about turbo charging my 5.0. I got to thinking about it and how in efficient even turbos are (compressor efficiencies of about 80% at best). Since a turbo's function is to pressurize incoming air and force it into the upper motor, and turbos are driven by high pressure exhaust gas created from the combustion process, couldn't I just bypass the turbo altogether and route my headers back into the throttle bodies? I could balance the DEI (direct exhaust injection as I just coined it) by feeding one header into each throttle body. The air would just keep re-circulating. Yes, the charge air wouldn’t be that cold, but it would be under a hell of a lot more pressure. I attached a quick sketch below: What do you guys think? good idea or no? __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [SIZE="5"][FONT="Arial Black"]OBEY THE FACE![/FONT][/SIZE] Edited By Moderator. Next time will be a ban. Last edited by MSO; November 12th, 2007 at 06:45 AM.

November 12th, 2007, 09:07 AM	#2
coreyflipp Enthusiast 1990 Mustang gt Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: college station, texas Posts: 504 iTrader: 0 reviews	No. On a turbo the exhaust runs the turbine which turns the compressor which is pumping in filtered compressed air. You can't just run your filthy hot exhaust straight back into your engine. __________________ 2002 gt 5-speed slow 1990 gt 5-speed junk

November 12th, 2007, 09:09 AM	#3
HMUSN Doc 1986 SVO 48.47@ 12.58 Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 37,050 iTrader: 11 reviews	third repost on the site. __________________

November 12th, 2007, 09:11 AM	#4
Goblin Hardcore Enthusiast 88mm Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,111 iTrader: 0 reviews	Are you serious? I mean, are you literally serious? __________________

November 12th, 2007, 09:12 AM	#6
JBIGBOOTSY MM Fanatic 1990 LX hatch Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hobart Indiana Posts: 4,391 iTrader: 0 reviews	This is a joke? right?, Because if your serious, then you need get this new technology trademarked or somthing cause you're gonna be a rich man! __________________ Bolt-on Abraham Lincoln Log motor. With extra wiring.

November 12th, 2007, 09:31 AM	#7
ryans88gt MM Fanatic Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bloomington, IL Posts: 4,737 iTrader: 0 reviews	Actually this was used in the first high altitude world war one airplanes. They simply filtered the exhaust and had an oxygen injector. This is where the idea for a turbo actually originated. Congrats you have reverse engineered. __________________ 88 GT CHI headed 351w 10.8 @ 125 - still figuring it out. 03 Cobra 2.3 whipple 10.7 @ 129 - sold it 04 Mach 1 12.7 @ 109 mostly stock - sold it 89 LX procharged 302 515 hp 497 ftlbs 10.7 @130 mph - sold it

November 12th, 2007, 09:31 AM	#8
Iwannagofast Hardcore Enthusiast 1990 Mustang GT havent gone since gears Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,940 iTrader: 0 reviews	why is he wasting his time drawing twice the egine when his is only half of one.......lol

November 12th, 2007, 10:09 AM	#9
MSO Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: アメリカ Posts: 5,933 iTrader: 0 reviews	i can make it work man, with the right tune i can have the fuel leaned out to compensate for the lack of oxygen __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [SIZE="5"][FONT="Arial Black"]OBEY THE FACE![/FONT][/SIZE] Edited By Moderator. Next time will be a ban.

November 12th, 2007, 10:16 AM	#10
TurboLX I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1988 Mustang LX Turbo Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NY Posts: 8,778 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	wow repost __________________ 1988 LX Coupe 2.5L, GT35R, 44mm WG, 32psi, C16.

November 12th, 2007, 10:53 AM	#12
JBIGBOOTSY MM Fanatic 1990 LX hatch Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hobart Indiana Posts: 4,391 iTrader: 0 reviews	But it won't make cool vroom vroom sounds. __________________ Bolt-on Abraham Lincoln Log motor. With extra wiring.

November 12th, 2007, 11:20 AM	#13
MSO Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: アメリカ Posts: 5,933 iTrader: 0 reviews	but it will make unlimited power just think about it, the gas comes out and goes right back in, add more fuel and more gas is made, then keep adding more fuel cuz more gas is being made its unlimited power __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [SIZE="5"][FONT="Arial Black"]OBEY THE FACE![/FONT][/SIZE] Edited By Moderator. Next time will be a ban.

November 12th, 2007, 11:35 AM	#14
Speedstang302 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.64@101mph Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Massachusetss Posts: 5,828 iTrader: 1 reviews	WOW mso never thought you'd stoop this low... __________________ 1990 GT- GT40p Heads\| Anderson N41 cam\| Crane 1.6 RR's\| Trickflow Intake\|MGW Short Throw\| Aluminum d/s\| 3.73's.....still slow....

November 12th, 2007, 12:41 PM	#15
95StangMX MM Fanatic 95 Mustang GT depends how many people are pushing Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Playa del Carmen, Mexico Posts: 3,243 iTrader: 0 reviews	what about an oxygen or air tank plummed into your tb? would be like nos but cheaper and you could get a compressor on the car and stay filled all of the time

November 12th, 2007, 12:50 PM	#16
GTsetGO Cigar Assassin 2004 Mustang GT 12.88 @ 112 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: A Galaxy Far, Far Away Posts: 14,081 iTrader: 10 reviews	how could anyone know that MSO would be a day late and a dollar short on this??? __________________ Cigar Samplers for Sale 2008 Acura TL-S - 2008 Honda Pilot EX-SE

November 12th, 2007, 12:57 PM	#17
Drick Big timin' in a small town 2004 FX4 F150, 86 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Gods country. Nordern Michigan eh Posts: 14,336 iTrader: 1 reviews	Wow how did I miss this thread . This is pure gold __________________ FX4 Crew Crew member #1 Don't take anything I say to heart, I don't try to come off as an asshole. It just happens

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November 12th, 2007, 01:54 PM	#19
nova50 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 18 iTrader: 0 reviews	well i guess im here to prove everyone wrong.....I am already running this setup and its perfect. There is zero emissions and i rarely have to fill up i just tune it to run rich and recycle the fuel, I tried to dyno it but the dyno couldnt hold the power. The car destroyed the dyno and i had to ask my uncle Gates to pay for the damages how do yall feel now.....pretty dumb huh?

November 12th, 2007, 02:04 PM	#20
Speedstang302 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.64@101mph Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Massachusetss Posts: 5,828 iTrader: 1 reviews	^ something bout gay parade and uncle bill gates..and im lost... __________________ 1990 GT- GT40p Heads\| Anderson N41 cam\| Crane 1.6 RR's\| Trickflow Intake\|MGW Short Throw\| Aluminum d/s\| 3.73's.....still slow....

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