[strkrstng2000]

Iowa Caucus goes to Obama, Hillary finishes third. Maybe a truly progressive candidate that could be the similar to FDR will be prez. Rock the fuck on Obama!!!!!
I can't wait for the nationwide campaign to kick off. I will be volunteering for Obama's campaign.

[mattstang]

i guess showin off oprah works

[JASonic]

Politics in this country are fucked. Its a popularity contest backed by millions of dollars. Government is way to big and wastefull.

Does Obama and Hilary have jobs somewhere they were "elected" to fullfill? This goes the same for every other candidate. The elction is not until Novemebr and it feels like weve been getting it smashed down our throats for over a year already.

Im not voting until someone changes the rules. And no, no candidate to date will change it.

[mpboy]

some one will kill him... (to the FBI watching this im not going to... just saying it prob will happen)

[mattstang]

dont vote = no right to complain about presidential decisions.

[JASonic]

Originally Posted by mattstang dont vote = no right to complain about presidential decisions.

So we should vote for a candidate we dont believe is in our best interest? The only way to vote for none of them is not to vote at all. So if I hate all of them I should just shut up? Sounds like the old USSR to me.


Im not voting for anyone until theyve earned it. Im not voting for one person just because he/she can say worse things about their opponent either.

This is part of the problem. Were taught to vote vote vote. What ever happened to our leaders doing the right things on their own?

I just love the fact that the candidates were sworn into their positions and yet they spend a majority of their time on a campaign.

[mattstang]

seems like your the one buying into the debate media stuff. they play a game because they made to. what would you do if you wanted a raise and they said you got to debate why? just say fuck it because its above you moral grounds?

[JASonic]

The public doesnt pay my salary.

[JASonic]

Morals? Nothing is said about morals?

[mattstang]

if you had to say to your employer why you deserve it over the other people that want it you wouldnt?

[JASonic]

Maybe you missed the point... its about EARNING a vote. Not just giving a vote to someone by default.

[mattstang]

Originally Posted by ja002gl Morals? Nothing is said about morals?

noone said morals, but thats why your saying you wont vote. you disagree with the way they debate and because they dont do the "right thing".

[mattstang]

Originally Posted by ja002gl Maybe you missed the point... its about EARNING a vote. Not just giving a vote to someone by default.

you cant vote for the best choice your given?

[mattstang]

what do they need to do to "earn" your vote?

[JASonic]

It wouldnt take me 2 years and millions of dollars to get them to give me a raise. My job is not a democracy either. They give me what I deserve in their minds and thats the end of it. Its not a fair analogy.

[mattstang]

on a simple level it is the same. campaigning is self promoting. to do that on a national level it costs money is the only diff. and its impossible to reach a nation overnight.

[JASonic]

To be honest, I dont know. Thats what sucks. I dont know what it would take because Im very unhappy with the direction of everything right now. Maybe that will change in the coming months. But if someone said i had to vote today, I wouldnt.

[mattstang]

that doesnt really make sense to me. it seems like you dont care other than you disagree.

[JASonic]

Originally Posted by mattstang on a simple level it is the same. campaigning is self promoting. to do that on a national level it costs money is the only diff. and its impossible to reach a nation overnight.

thats what sucks. Does Hillary have to take big checks from Pharm companies? Could the Pharm companies make drugs cost a little less instead? Could Obama being doing something constructive for the community today rather than campaigning for a job that doesnt start till the end of the year? Maybe could they put some limits on it?

[mattstang]

lookup ron paul. hes pretty cool. if hes on the ticket hes got my vote.