[Onemanzu]

its funny, you see these two cars?

they are both not the production design, so you guys are just arguing over cars that you haven't even seen the final versions off

[JohnC]

Originally Posted by Onemanzu its funny, you see these two cars? they are both not the production design, so you guys are just arguing over cars that you haven't even seen the final versions off

While the final production design isn't out yet for the Nissan 370Z, it can only lose 20hp since they already use a 3.7L DOHC V6 330hp version of the same motor in some Infinity brand cars.

All that really leaves in question is 20hp and the actual weight; the small details in the body style I don't give a shit about at this point.

The current 350Z is already down to 3350lbs, so I can see them shedding a few more pounds. I'm not sure it will make it down to 3010lbs, but we'll see.

Anyway, even at 330hp and 3350lbs the 370Z would have a small edge in performance over the 300hp 3450-3500lb Mustang GT.

If it gets 350hp at 3010lbs, the Mustang will be left behind and I'll definitely buy the better performing car.

[nes]

im not gunn buy a new car because some company on the other side of the earth made one to perform slightly better... i love my 7k dollar car, and wuldnt trade that to get into that. and yes us on the forums like speed but its such a small part of mustang ppl.

[Onemanzu]

so you have been bickering over a few horsepower and a lighter weight even though you have no idea what it looks like...

when you buy a car your buying a few things,

Performance
Looks
Name
Safety

... what baffles me is your still going back and forth over two small things... IMO the 370z looks soo much better from the spy shots i have seen...

[07torchgt]

I completely disagree about the mod for mod part... Take that Z and then take the GT... Do equal performance upgrades and the GT will gain more per dollar... Torque is where its at my friend... They aren't built for the same purpse... They won't compete evenly... The Z is tuned more toward the edge from the factory... There isn't much room left without dumping a ton of money in the thing... The GT on the other hand has a lot left in it with just bolt ons... But take em down a curvy road... The Z is hands down faster...

[Hasselm8]

First and foremost. The mustang is timeless. Long after the z takes another dirt nap the Mustang will still be going strong. I dont personally care if the z can beat a stock mustang. I like to build my car to my specs, not factory specs anyway. Would it be nice if FoMoCo stuffed more my little ponies under the hood....yes. But Id still buy Ford over rice. Call me nostalgic I guess.

[Onemanzu]

Originally Posted by Hasselm8 First and foremost. The mustang is timeless. Long after the z takes another dirt nap the Mustang will still be going strong. I dont personally care if the z can beat a stock mustang. I like to build my car to my specs, not factory specs anyway. Would it be nice if FoMoCo stuffed more my little ponies under the hood....yes. But Id still buy Ford over rice. Call me nostalgic I guess.

your car is 10x more ricey then a 350z

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by 06RedfireGT Mustang = $25k Z = $35k Alot can be done with $10k And it's ugly as shit.

more closer to $30k for a new GT
ive seen between 29k and 32k at my dealer...

in the end a 350z is like watching grass grow

[07torchgt]

Originally Posted by itschristorres8 more closer to $30k for a new GT ive seen between 29k and 32k at my dealer... in the end a 350z is like watching grass grow

I only paid 24k out the door for mine... GT premium with extras... ok so it was on base...

[JohnC]

Originally Posted by 07torchgt I completely disagree about the mod for mod part... Take that Z and then take the GT... Do equal performance upgrades and the GT will gain more per dollar... Torque is where its at my friend... They aren't built for the same purpse... They won't compete evenly... The Z is tuned more toward the edge from the factory... There isn't much room left without dumping a ton of money in the thing... The GT on the other hand has a lot left in it with just bolt ons... But take em down a curvy road... The Z is hands down faster...

If this car is 350hp at 3010lbs, it will be faster than the current GT. That little bit of extra TQ the Mustang GT has will be lost in the extra 490lbs it has to move.

And mod for mod it will still respond. Headers, intakes, superchargers, turbos, etc. Just like a Mustang, it will respond.

The way you explain this would be like saying a Mustang GT isn't maxed out and has more potential than say a 03/04 n/a Mach1 that already has more HP. It's not true, better DOHC heads, intake, etc., all give it the edge stock and as you know it does respond well to boltons.

If the article proves to be true, this car has the power to weight to be one fun machine and it'll make it hard for GT's to keep up.

Originally Posted by Hasselm8 First and foremost. The mustang is timeless. Long after the z takes another dirt nap the Mustang will still be going strong. I dont personally care if the z can beat a stock mustang. I like to build my car to my specs, not factory specs anyway. Would it be nice if FoMoCo stuffed more my little ponies under the hood....yes. But Id still buy Ford over rice. Call me nostalgic I guess.

No one is arguing the History or timelessness of the Mustang. What I am arguing is that IF these specs prove to be true and Ford doesn't respond with equal or better performance, I'll be pissed enough I might buy brand X car.

We don't just have the 370Z to worry about; we also have the upcoming Dodge Challenger and Chevy Camaro. And I don't know about you guys, but I go to my local track regularly and run the street class. It will suck balls to see stock 370Z's, Challengers, and Camaros whipping up on the Mustang GT all day stock v/s stock and mod for mod.

But, I’m out on this from this point on. I think I’ve stated my point that basically if the car is 350hp at 3010lbs it will have the edge over the heavier Mustang GT, and Ford needs to step it up because I don’t want to have to compete with a slower heavier car since it will take more time, money, and work to keep up with the other three.

[07torchgt]

Originally Posted by JohnC If this car is 350hp at 3010lbs, it will be faster than the current GT. That little bit of extra TQ the Mustang GT has will be lost in the extra 490lbs it has to move. And mod for mod it will still respond. Headers, intakes, superchargers, turbos, etc. Just like a Mustang, it will respond. The way you explain this would be like saying a Mustang GT isn't maxed out and has more potential than say a 03/04 n/a Mach1 that already has more HP. It's not true, better DOHC heads, intake, etc., all give it the edge stock and as you know it does respond well to boltons. If the article proves to be true, this car has the power to weight to be one fun machine and it'll make it hard for GT's to keep up. No one is arguing the History or timelessness of the Mustang. What I am arguing is that IF these specs prove to be true and Ford doesn't respond with equal or better performance, I'll be pissed enough I might buy brand X car. We don't just have the 370Z to worry about; we also have the upcoming Dodge Challenger and Chevy Camaro. And I don't know about you guys, but I go to my local track regularly and run the street class. It will suck balls to see stock 370Z's, Challengers, and Camaros whipping up on the Mustang GT all day stock v/s stock and mod for mod. But, I’m out on this from this point on. I think I’ve stated my point that basically if the car is 350hp at 3010lbs it will have the edge over the heavier Mustang GT, and Ford needs to step it up because I don’t want to have to compete with a slower heavier car since it will take more time, money, and work to keep up with the other three.

Drop dollar for dollar in either and see which one comes out on top in a drag race... My moneys on th GT... And yes the Z is tuned much hotter from the factory... Albeit heads may flow very well and yada yada yada... The fact of the matter is when you open up the intake alone and throw a 93 tune in its a whole new car... The HT is tuned extremely conservative for 87 octane... Thats what I'm saying... The Z has the timing and compression high enough for using premium only... letting it breath better won't help all that much without doing more too it...The GT is not like that... Who among us buys a car strictly for its off the shelf performance...

[homebrewed]

Originally Posted by JohnC We don't just have the 370Z to worry about; we also have the upcoming Dodge Challenger and Chevy Camaro. And I don't know about you guys, but I go to my local track regularly and run the street class. It will suck balls to see stock 370Z's, Challengers, and Camaros whipping up on the Mustang GT all day stock v/s stock and mod for mod.

Lets not forget about Hyndai's newest offering; the Genesis platform. RWD chassis, a base V6 with a V8 option. Sound familiar? No? Care to fathom a guess? I'll give ya a hint. Look around. Yup. The little Koreans that can, are. They're placing the Mustang directly in their cross-hairs. And frankly, I think it will make the "icon" look like what it really is; old world technology in a modern world. They regularly pass BMW & Mercedes-Benz on quality. And lets face it. What do they have to lose by taking a risk such as this? They already have when they made their first car for a "global market" and that went way beyond their wildest expectations.

[HMUSN]

Fox or Die!

[homebrewed]

Says the "New Egde" rolo-dex

[supermachone]

there will always be a faster car, and who gives a shit, the mustang isnt the greatest car out there and never will be, sorry to burst your bubble but seriously as long as there are mustang fanatics ford will never have a problem selling whatever kind of mustang they make, they arent worried about how fast it goes, they'll have their options but whatever they are, it'll still sell and thats all they care about is making money

[JohnC]

Originally Posted by 07torchgt Drop dollar for dollar in either and see which one comes out on top in a drag race... My moneys on th GT... And yes the Z is tuned much hotter from the factory... Albeit heads may flow very well and yada yada yada... The fact of the matter is when you open up the intake alone and throw a 93 tune in its a whole new car... The HT is tuned extremely conservative for 87 octane... Thats what I'm saying... The Z has the timing and compression high enough for using premium only... letting it breath better won't help all that much without doing more too it...The GT is not like that... Who among us buys a car strictly for its off the shelf performance...

I already covered this... read the posts.

Originally Posted by supermachone there will always be a faster car, and who gives a shit, the mustang isnt the greatest car out there and never will be, sorry to burst your bubble but seriously as long as there are mustang fanatics ford will never have a problem selling whatever kind of mustang they make, they arent worried about how fast it goes, they'll have their options but whatever they are, it'll still sell and thats all they care about is making money

Ya'll keep sucking me back in to this...

I give a shit who has the faster car in the class of the Mustang GT.

If Ford didn't care about how fast the Mustang goes, they would all have 2.3L 4cyls and/or 2v V6’s. Instead, they respond to the competition. The outcry with the NPI stangs came along when they were crushed by the LT1/LS1. Then Ford upped them to 260hp PI's. Nissan 350Z's come out with 306hp and GM has LS2’s in GTO’s etc, Ford responds with a 300hp 3v. In between we have Bullets, Mach1's, Cobra's, GT500's, GT500 KR's......

The Ford Racing catalog, Ford Racing brand, and all the Ford racing parts, SVT department, etc., are all part of Ford not caring about performance.

Yeah, if you like the looks, overall platform, and don't give a shit about having the edge with the faster car, you'll be fine just buying in to the Mustang heritage, and driving a stock 15sec V6er.

[supermachone]

if u consider fords mustang line up their response to the competition, then they are doing a shitty job lol

and when i said they arent worried about how fast it goes, i didnt mean they dont want to make fast mustangs, but competition wise i doubt they are worried about making the faster car

[Onemanzu]

Originally Posted by JohnC I already covered this... read the posts. Ya'll keep sucking me back in to this... I give a shit who has the faster car in the class of the Mustang GT. If Ford didn't care about how fast the Mustang goes, they would all have 2.3L 4cyls and/or 2v V6’s. Instead, they respond to the competition. The outcry with the NPI stangs came along when they were crushed by the LT1/LS1. Then Ford upped them to 260hp PI's. Nissan 350Z's come out with 306hp and GM has LS2’s in GTO’s etc, Ford responds with a 300hp 3v. In between we have Bullets, Mach1's, Cobra's, GT500's, GT500 KR's...... The Ford Racing catalog, Ford Racing brand, and all the Ford racing parts, SVT department, etc., are all part of Ford not caring about performance. Yeah, if you like the looks, overall platform, and don't give a shit about having the edge with the faster car, you'll be fine just buying in to the Mustang heritage, and driving a stock 15sec V6er.

stop swinging from fords nuts, there are a shit load of better cars, mustangs aren't that great at all... just saying

[03_StangGuy]

Originally Posted by Onemanzu stop swinging from fords nuts, there are a shit load of better cars, mustangs aren't that great at all... just saying

Every cars has somethin its good at and somethin its bad at. Before anyone says it costing 300k its all that good in my book.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by Onemanzu stop swinging from fords nuts, there are a shit load of better cars, mustangs aren't that great at all... just saying

Say it like it is, OMZ