[HMUSN]

Originally Posted by Dennis-96GT of course hes not something you can see because he doesnt exist lol. and maybe jesus wasnt the son of god maybe he was just a dirty hippie who said he was to make himself seem special with the chicks lol. but thats a whole new issue im not even going to get into the whole jesus thing

can you see air?
wind?

they exsist.

[MSO]

^u can feel it tho

[GreenFaleen]

I have a religion I believe in God an Jesus but I doubt anyone has ever heard of my sect of Christianity lol

[Dennis-96GT]

Originally Posted by HMUSN It's too late for you by then.

yea i dont care ill go to hell how bad can it be. it will be hot and ill be surrounded by all my friends and some of the most influencial people in history

[MSO]

which would be?

[Dennis-96GT]

you people do realize according to the bible and some religions all you have to do is repent to go to heaven so if he does exist all i gotta do is go well shit im sorry ding ding im in lol

[MSO]

Originally Posted by Dennis-96GT you people do realize according to the bible and some religions all you have to do is repent to go to heaven so if he does exist all i gotta do is go well shit im sorry ding ding im in lol

i think repenting goes more along the lines of karmic debt

[Dennis-96GT]

nah look at catholics you can beat your wife and molest your kids on saturday go to confesion on sunday and your all good. and hell you dont wanna molest your kids fine your preacher will do it for you. hows that for a can of worms comming wide open hahaha

[rk_2000_Z/28]

Originally Posted by Dennis-96GT i still say its interesting how science has shown that most of the things in the bible could have happend but not because of some entity but because of natural causes. not a single shred of evidence of the man himself has ever been found

That goes back to what I mentioned on the first page. Hundreds of years ago scientists thought that the world was flat, they also thought that the world was the center of the univers. Of course they were wrong. Who has proven these 'scientific facts' to be right? More scientists? Putting your faith in something as unstable and everchanging as science seems just as foolish to me as I'm sure you think believing in God is.

Originally Posted by Dennis-96GT they do but god was nowhere around to tell some lucky person it was going to happen. yea if you go by what the bible says non christians will go to hell. hell of a guy that god i tell ya what.

Originally Posted by Dennis-96GT you know if one day god appears out of thin air i will be the first person to go "well fuck i was wrong" but seeing that other then peoples faith, random acts being blamed on god and the bible, and a very well written novel(bible) theres no actual proof of his existence ill stick to living life to its fullest knowing that once i die its over

Originally Posted by Dennis-96GT of course hes not something you can see because he doesnt exist lol. and maybe jesus wasnt the son of god maybe he was just a dirty hippie who said he was to make himself seem special with the chicks lol. but thats a whole new issue im not even going to get into the whole jesus thing

Originally Posted by Dennis-96GT you people do realize according to the bible and some religions all you have to do is repent to go to heaven so if he does exist all i gotta do is go well shit im sorry ding ding im in lol

This thread was asked to be kept civil. And even you were surprised that it has remained so. But it seems that you are starting to insult and mock people that believe in God. You may not be directly insulting us, but when you say things (like what I put into bold type) about the beliefs that we hold true than you are basically slapping us in the face. I doubt you ment to get personal, but the bottom line is that when you say things like this it can be taken as belligerent and usually taken personally.

Originally Posted by Dennis-96GT nah look at catholics you can beat your wife and molest your kids on saturday go to confesion on sunday and your all good. and hell you dont wanna molest your kids fine your preacher will do it for you. hows that for a can of worms comming wide open hahaha

I would just like to point out that not everyone that is a Christian is Catholic.

[vfast]

I don't believe is GOD.....

[Dennis-96GT]

yea i try not to insult anyone even if it sounds like it in a couple of those post but in most part its all in fun trying to bring some comic relive in the thread for a second before getting back into it. i think im going to exit this thread it doesnt seem to be going anywhere other then the same old your wrong no your wrong scenario. been fun thou and i promise if anything in the bible or god is ever proven to be be true or existant i will be the first to admit im wrong. i dont see this ever happening but hey its been said.

actually on second thought i want to know your opinions on a few things. how do you feel about things like jehovas witness, the catholic scandal, religious cult, the church of jesus christ and ladder day saints(sp) and other groups of relgious belivers that have cast such a dark shadow on religion.

[HMUSN]

Originally Posted by Dennis-96GT trying to bring some comic relive in the thread

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[travis_afx]

Well first of all what i am going to say might make someone upset, but that is in NO WAY MY INTENTION. This thread is about wether some one has religion or not so I am just trying to explain where i am coming from and I am in no way trying to force my views on anyone else it is just what i believe with all my heart and i want to try to explain myself. since that is what i thought this thread is about. Again if i offend anyone i appoligize it is not my intentionl.




I'm saved as well. I am a member of the same local church as my bro Ryan. I have complete faith in my GOD. If i was to know i would die in the next hour (i know some will raise the flag on this, but it goes back to what i said about me having complete faith) I would honestly be looking forward to it. because i know that since i have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal savior the instant i am dead i will be in heaven with Jesus.

Now i'm not trying to say i'm perfect or better than anyone else just cause i am saved. I make bad choices still almost daily cause it was only my soul that got saved not my body or mind. I was told a story once that helps me put that in words, its like your soul is one dog and your body is another dog and whichever one you say sic'em to wins. Cause GOD's word states that he will never give you a trial that you cant handle, and that he will never leave you nor forsake you. Of course those last two statements are if you are saved. GOD made us free moral agents with the abillity to make our own choices The only difference between me and a someone that is lost is that i am a sinner saved by grace and they are still just a sinner. Cause everyone has the right to choose wether to accept Jesus as your saviour or deny him, which goes back to the free moral agent thing.


Again this is all what I PERSONALLY believe and i am not trying to attack anyone or call someone stupid for what they belive in. Its just i belive very strongly in my faith in my GOD and i'm just stating MY point of view. I welcome comments or replies to my post, i just ask you to try and not intentionally attack me.

[zinc02GT]

All im sayin Denis is that if you would have read my post, thats all I need to believe in God...

Its pretty ironic when the girl brent and I jumped on top of when the school was coming down on top of us was the chaplain's daughter for the army base here... Im just sayin... thats all I need to believe....

[travis_afx]

MSO I'm not attacking you but you keep saying stuff about all christianity being based on catholicism. I disagree with you on that buddy. My denomination is far from catholicism. The church I belong to was started on the sea of Galilee when Jesus called andrew and simon~peter to be his first desicples. Not my actual phisycal local church, but the church that Jesus originally started, which my local church is part of. again just MY OPINION and i'm sorry if i'm making someone mad, just again trying to explain my side. And i apploigixe if i have offended any of my catholic friends on here, it is not my intention at all

[Dennis-96GT]

i dont down people because they belive im happy for you thats your choice. to you it was a act of god with the school thing to me it was a streak of luck. i guess i should give some info of my life that explains my theroy.

ok i too once was saved i was baptist did the whole getting saved deal water the works. well when i was in the dunk tank the preacher did his speach and part of it to this day stands out he said and i quote "allow the stenght of god to help me save this child" well as soon as he said that he went to dunk me and dropped my ass in the tank. that was the least time i attended church on my own free will.

now my little brother is 14 now when he was 10 his grandmother died of heart failure. his dad and mom were divorced and well his dad got his mothers estate being a only child thats obvious. well 2 weeks later his dad died of a massive heart attack. 2 funerals in less then a month is no good for a 10 year old. well come to find out his dad was in the process of turning over the rights of all the accests over to his other son he gave up for adoption 29 years ago leaving my brother with nothing. now my little brother got everything and has 150,000 sitting in a bank account he cant touch until hes 18. devine intervention? or a very unhealthy lifestyle?

i had 3 friends die in 1 year one of which funeral was on my 21st birthday she got killed by a drunk driver. did they have to die to teach me not to drive drunk? if thats gods plan then i dont want anything to do with him in the first place.

i am a firefighter/EMT-B as a non paying career i see people loose everything they own for no reason all the time. i see people die way to early or at fault of other people constantly. if the bible says everything happens for a reason then explain this stuff.

[rk_2000_Z/28]

Originally Posted by Dennis-96GT i think im going to exit this thread it doesnt seem to be going anywhere other then the same old your wrong no your wrong scenario.

I agree with you 100% there my friend. This is a debate as old as written history itself. All I see happening is people getting there feelings hurt and insulted, and that's not right.

I ment no disrespect to you Dennis and I'm sorry if it came to that. And I honestly believe that you ment no real harm or insult in your statements. I don't promise not to stay out of this thread, but I think it's safe to assume that you and I have both made our points clear and that we know where each other stands.

Originally Posted by Dennis-96GT actually on second thought i want to know your opinions on a few things. how do you feel about things like jehovas witness, the catholic scandal, religious cult, the church of jesus christ and ladder day saints(sp) and other groups of relgious belivers that have cast such a dark shadow on religion.

Personally, I believe in the King James Bible and I believe that the path to salvation is mapped in it's pages. I don't think that any particular group has a way into heaven. There is no Catholic way, no Mormon way, no Babtist way, no Lutheran way, etc. It is God's way or no way. Me personally, I am a Babtist. Not because I believe that only Babtist go to heaven (because that's not true), but because I faithfully believe in the doctrines that the Babtist church (at least the one that I am a member of) believe in.

I realize that some Christian/Religouse groups have made a name for themselves either good or bad for the past. It is not my place to judge the Catholic priest that have molested children any more than I have the right to judge Budhist monks, or Islamic extremist. They believe what they believe and do what they do. NO ONE is perfect, not me or the leaders of my church, and not them either.

[GreenFaleen]

Originally Posted by travis_afx MSO I'm not attacking you but you keep saying stuff about all christianity being based on catholicism. I disagree with you on that buddy. My denomination is far from catholicism. The church I belong to was started on the sea of Galilee when Jesus called andrew and simon~peter to be his first desicples. Not my actual phisycal local church, but the church that Jesus originally started, which my local church is part of. again just MY OPINION and i'm sorry if i'm making someone mad, just again trying to explain my side. And i apploigixe if i have offended any of my catholic friends on here, it is not my intention at all

I agree im in a sect of Christianity that has no influence in anyway and has never had any relationship to the catholic church

[travis_afx]

Originally Posted by rk_2000_Z/28 Personally, I believe in the King James Bible and I believe that the path to salvation is mapped in it's pages. I don't think that any particular group has a way into heaven. There is no Catholic way, no Mormon way, no Babtist way, no Lutheran way, etc. It is God's way or no way. Me personally, I am a Babtist. Not because I believe that only Babtist go to heaven (because that's not true), but because I faithfully believe in the doctrines that the Babtist church (at least the one that I am a member of) believe in. I realize that some Christian/Religouse groups have made a name for themselves either good or bad for the past. It is not my place to judge the Catholic priest that have molested children any more than I have the right to judge Budhist monks, or Islamic extremist. They believe what they believe and do what they do. NO ONE is perfect, not me or the leaders of my church, and not them either.

+1 Yes this is what i was trying to say, but i couldn't find the words to say it so thats why i might have come off as sounding like i was condisending the catholic church or any other religion. I am a Baptist as well and even though I am a baptist that is not what got me saved. I got saved by accepting christ and then became a member of my baptist church through baptism, which is just a picture of the death burial and reserection of Christ. The reason i chose to become a Baptist is I feel a true Baptist church is the denomitnation of christianity that holds true to the KJB the closest. agian just my opinion.

[travis_afx]

A quick thought, I think its real nice that a group of forum members can have a discousion like this without it turining into an all out battle. I think it just goes to show how awesome of a forum we have here.