[ckthecerealkiller]

Originally Posted by Bossman351 I personally preffer this one.

Now that looks alright. I am not going to puke but I am not going to jump out of my seat. What's under the hood is what we need to be looking at :wink

[lemon]

Originally Posted by ckthecerealkiller Originally Posted by Bossman351 I personally preffer this one. Now that looks alright. I am not going to puke but I am not going to jump out of my seat. What's under the hood is what we need to be looking at :wink

[PhillyBlunt474]

Originally Posted by FBodFather First.....thank you for all the kind words......but quite frankly, this isn't about me. The most tragic thing about this mess? The fact that ONCE AGAIN, a few people.....esp, the guilty parties...have served (perhaps unwittingly) to pull the community apart. It's just terrible....TERRIBLE...the things that are being said. Doug Harden is one of the most passionate guys i know when it comes to Camaro. The thousands of hours and personal money he's put into the community over the past 12 years is mind boggling.....anyone who's ever been to a CICC event....namely the pace car reunion and the 35th birthday party will know what I'm talking about.......yet he has beem summarily flamed, bashed, ridiculed, etc. That is in my book completely unacceptable and some people had better start apologizing. I'm as serious as a heart attack when I say that. .......someone said we abandoned the enthusiast community and I don't agree......far from it. To that person (can't remember...there have been so many accusations in the past week) I'd just LOVE to show you how much GM has spent on the enthusiast community over the past three years alone....yet I'll be damned if we can't get more than 500 cars to a national event. Don't get me wrong..I realize not everyone can afford (either in terms of time or dollars) to come to shows. But while the car went out of production, I continue to tell people that there are reasons behind this........some that I still cannot talk about. GM is not completely stupid. We realize just how important the Camaro (and Firebird) are to the market. PAY ATTENTION: SOMEONE STOLE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS. IT MAY HAVE BEEN AN INTERNAL GM EMPLOYEE....IT MAY HAVE BEEN A CONTRACT EMPLOYEE...IT COULD HAVE BEEN A SUPPLIER, BUT LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR...THIS WAS A VERY VERY VERY TOP SECRET PROGRAM. IT WAS THEFT. PERIOD. IT WAS NOT AN ARRANGED LEAK. WRITE THAT IN YOUR FAMILY BIBLE!!!! A website posted the pictures. We all know that when that happens, it's worldwide in seconds. The horse (and I hate to use that term because of the competition) is out of the barn. Nevertheless, it's stolen. Now.......let's look at it from another perspective. After Hurricane Katrina, one unfortunate held up a 'gift card' for TV cameras to capture. She was given the gift card so she could buy much needed supplies. Within minutes, the card number was taken off the airwaves and several thousand dollars of merchandise was fraudulently purchased by many unsavory people. Yes, the pictures of the concept are not a gift card.....but my point is that would any of you take that gift card and post it to a site? I don't think so......so why then, is it OK for people to take confidential pictures and post them? The gift card number and the pictures WERE BOTH STOLEN!!!! The bottom line......even in this thread....is that people have already made up their minds that they like what they saw or they hate it.....and those that hate it have been very very vocal about it. I'm appalled at the verbs/nouns/adjectives that have been used to communicate how they hate what they saw.......WITHOUT SEEING A FINISHED PRODUCT...NOT TO MENTION IN PERSON. Now......if it sounds like I'm in a bad mood, IT'S BECAUSE I AM!!!!! I apologize to 96% of the community for having to post what's in this post.......but to the ones that are defending ANYONE for posting stolen pictures.........I have some problems with you and your take on "right versus wrong." (now...will someone please bring a fork lift over here and remove the very large soap box from under me????) Again......this whole issue is not about Scott. It's really about what's right and wrong......and the damages done to the enthusiast community and GM.

This is from an employee of GM, who has worked Very closely with the Fbody, and the Fbody community over the years, taken from his post on the SSOA message boards

So its real i guess ?

[turp]

I guess it is and CAMARO'S STILL SUCK! (Just wanted to stir the pot!)

[groundpounder]

Originally Posted by Bossman351 I personally preffer this one.

I don't care where you live - that's a cool car! Not at cool as the 05 stangs, IMO, but in some ways, maybe so.
What I fear is the chebby (if they are not in chapter 11 by then) is going to give this damn thing like 400 HP base, and kick a$$ from there with options (I can see it now LT2 with 500 HP) and blow the doors off the Stang. You'll have to spend $45K on a Cobra just to keep up with a $28K base V8 Camaro, or something insulting like that.
Seems like FoMoCo never makes stuff quite as fast as they could/should. I mean, the friggin GTO that looks like total a$$, like a dressed up sunbird or something, has 400 effin HP!! Why not just bow up and give the 05 or 06 stang at least 375, if not 401!! And what's up with 255's from the factory?! That's so ghey! Put some meats on the thing. A pony has to have SHOES! 255's - bah! for sissies! AT LEAST 275's if not more like 295's or 305's.
MAKE A STATEMENT, WILLY!!



But I'm gone tell ya what - for the right price, I'd break rank and buy that car above. That's hot! They're gonna sell a bunch of those, let me tell you right now!

[turp]

Originally Posted by groundpounder Seems like FoMoCo never makes stuff quite as fast as they could/should. I mean, the friggin GTO that looks like total a$$, like a dressed up sunbird or something, has 400 effin HP!! Why not just bow up and give the 05 or 06 stang at least 375, if not 401!! And what's up with 255's from the factory?! That's so ghey! Put some meats on the thing. A pony has to have SHOES! 255's - bah! for sissies! AT LEAST 275's if not more like 295's or 305's. MAKE A STATEMENT, WILLY!!

They did it is called the 2007 Shelby Cobra 400 HP 450 Torque

[Bossman351]

Here are some more pics. I couldnt dig any info up on the net as far as optons, hp, etc.. But I do remember reading about this car last year and it seemed like they were going TOTAL retro on it. It was supposed to be offered with 2 motor options and a v6 werent one of em. It was supposed to have the option (at the time I read the article) of an LS-1 or an SS with a 502HP 502cid Big Block. They were also supposed to offer two front fascia options, open headlights or hideaways. Just like the first gens.





And here is the optional hideaway headlights. Im partial to the open lights myself. reminds me of the 69 SS I rode around in with my dad when I was little.

[lemon]

id buy the orange one

[fallstar01]

It appears that those are two different bumper designs that they are considering. In anycase, call me crazy but I don't think it looks too bad... not too great either. I dig the pic of the orange one though.

[sAJ1420]

yea i must saythat orange on looks real hott from that rear angle, i dunno if im a big fan of the front though

[Bossman351]

Yeah, I think the orange one is pretty sick myself. I was raised on GM and still have a love for them but I lean more towards the mustang for performance and affordability.

If you look closely you can almost see the body lines of a C6 in there. Its as if they took a c6 and reworked a few angles to make it look like a retro camaro.

[groundpounder]

Originally Posted by slo2go Originally Posted by groundpounder Seems like FoMoCo never makes stuff quite as fast as they could/should. I mean, the friggin GTO that looks like total a$$, like a dressed up sunbird or something, has 400 effin HP!! Why not just bow up and give the 05 or 06 stang at least 375, if not 401!! And what's up with 255's from the factory?! That's so ghey! Put some meats on the thing. A pony has to have SHOES! 255's - bah! for sissies! AT LEAST 275's if not more like 295's or 305's. MAKE A STATEMENT, WILLY!! They did it is called the 2007 Shelby Cobra 400 HP 450 Torque

A big enough statement, and I heard 450 HP and 485 lbs tq, but let's see them put it out there deep on the south side of $40K, and that's a statement.
What I was referring to in the post actually was the entry level V8's. I just think that a car that looks as smokingly hot and the 05 Stang deserves fatter tires and more power. If not as a base model then at least as an option, like maybe call it GTU or GTE.

As good as those cars look, they should have a 375 HP option from the factory along with better tires. 255's on a car that good looking is a waste. Like I said in my post, why not 295's or something? What's that going to hurt? The tire and wheel combo on V8's look like they came off a grocery getter!

I drove an 05 GT in the fall of 04, and I will freely admit I came away unilaterally impressed. Those are great cars. Now here comes Chevy, though, and they're going to stuff 500HP in the darn thing.

[Dodge_Sniper]

Camaro in 2008 - Is it Too Late?
Author: George Pycik @ 7:46 pm
We are expected to see a concept version of what could be a new Chevrolet Camaro at the 2006 Detriot International Auto Show in January. If the car gets the greenlight for production, the earliest it will be made available is 2008. We are wondering…is the Camaro too late?


Soon after the demise of the Camaro and Firebird, Ford sparked up some edgy new ideas for its widely popular pony car. One idea included a 390hp supercharged 4.6L engine which it would implant into its Mustang Cobra while the other was the complete [retro] redesign of the Mustang. The redesign would start some sort of nostalgic trend which could continue on for the next several years in the automotive world.



After the tremendously good reviews of the retro designed concept Mustang that Ford unveiled at the 2003 North American International Auto Show, everybody and their 25 long-lost distant cousins jumped on the rumor bandwagon. Everyone insisted that both GM and Chrysler were pulling together their own editions of done away nameplates. Whether it be a Camaro, a Firebird, GTO, Charger or Challenger, it felt like something was coming and coming fast.

The GM subsidary, Pontiac, was quickly there with their GTO. When the photos spread, many muscle fans were let down. The bold statement offered by the good ol’ gas guzzlers of the late 60’s/early 70’s wasn’t quite there. A year later, Ford put its retro Mustang into the market. The powerful flashbacks caused by the car attracted an overwhelming amount of fanatics to the new edition of the classic. As all this was taking place, Chevy fans were all over the internet, hoping to hear some kind of news related to what could be a new Camaro.



As time went on, the chances of seeing a new Camaro went on a complete rollercoaster. Some said executives inside Chevrolet were sure there would be no reincarnation of the car while others were still convinced Chevy wasn’t revealing something. GM slowly revealed a little more about the project, but nothing appeared official until Edmunds.com stated they had learned that GM would unveil a concept version at the 2006 Detriot Auto Show in January.

The main problem is whether or not a retro Camaro in 2008 would be too late to record any large sales. By then, the Mustang would be 3 years old and the unusually energetic atmosphere surrounding the car will most likely be faded away. Along with the Mustang, the barely retro Chrysler powers (300, Magnum, and Charger) will also be aging and won’t have any “retro fever” fueling much of their sales anymore.



So, can the Camaro sell in 2008? When you think about how long the retro trend has gone on by now (remember…the PT Cruiser is “retro” also), it seems as if it might be able to sell in fairly decent numbers. BUT, everyone must remember it’ll be 3 years late against the Mustang. I can see it now; Ford guys will be picking away at Chevy for being 3 years too late just as they were nearly 40 years ago in a similar situation. The trend is destined to fade away pretty soon and by the end of the decade…I can’t imagine much of it being left. It will be interesting to see whether the Camaro refreshes the retro scene or it falls victim of a fading fad.

Finally, I’d like to remind everyone why the Camaro isn’t on the market today. The car wasn’t ousted by GM for no reason. Its sales were horrible compared to its closest competitor, the Mustang and not even the addition of the Firebird’s sales (the Camaro’s closest relative) could make sales any better than a third of the Mustang’s. Maybe the question shouldn’t be whether the Camaro can sell in 2008 and instead be a question of whether GM can market this car to sell more than a sixth of its competitors’ sales. Another GTO?

-Ron

[04COBRA]

yeah, i was thinking the same thing,

[FastFiveO]

we will haf to see what they jump up with with the 06-07 cobra (whenever its coming out). there is talk of it having 400-500 hp. so we will haf to see. the 05 roush has 400. ford needs to lower the price and raise the power. no muscle car man cares much about the eceonomy efficency of a car. MORE POWER. i perfer the new challenger over the camaro.. but to top it off a nasty 05 stang is my formost favorit.

[vshayes]

that is ugly.

[99mustang232]

'06 Concept Camaro Revealed in Detroit full article and more photos

[AtlanticBlue99]

not too bad imo. i like the chopped roof look

[FastFiveO]

chargerrr

[Bossman351]

I like it. I think it will become pretty popular once the aftermarket starts going along with it too. It really remids me of a Caddillac CTS or whatever that 2 seater is that Caddy makes.