[07stanggt]

Here you go.Just cold hard facts. The bottom line doesnt lie. It makes money or it doesn.

Pass this on to the guys at gm, cubic inches are great and stock hp numbers are fine for commercials. But this is how legends are born.

The Mustang made its first public appearance on a racetrack little more than a month after its April 17 introduction, as pace car for the 1964 Indianapolis 500.[4]

The same year, Mustangs achieved the first of many notable competition successes, winning first and second in class in the Tour de France international rally. The car’s American competition debut, also in 1964, was in drag racing, where private individuals and dealer-sponsored teams campaigned Mustangs powered by 427 cu. in. V8s.

In late 1964, Ford contracted Holman & Moody to prepare ten 427-powered Mustangs to contest the National Hot Rod Association's (NHRA) A/Factory Experimental class in the 1965 drag racing season. Five of these special Mustangs made their competition debut at the 1965 NHRA Winternationals, where they qualified in the Factory Stock Eliminator class. The car driven by Bill Lawton won the class.[29]

A decade later Bob Glidden won the Mustang’s first NHRA Pro Stock title.

Early Mustangs also proved successful in road racing. The GT 350 R, the race version of the Shelby GT 350, won five of the Sports Car Club of America's (SCCA) six divisions in 1965. Drivers were Jerry Titus, Bob Johnson and Mark Donohue, and Titus won the (SCCA) B-Production national championship. GT 350s won the B-Production title again in 1966 and 1967. They also won the 1966 manufacturers’ championship in the inaugural SCCA Trans-Am series, and repeated the win the following year.[4]

In 1969, modified versions of the 428 Mach 1, Boss 429 and Boss 302 took 295 United States Auto Club-certified records at Bonneville Salt Flats. The outing included a 24-hour run on a 10-mile course at an average speed of 157 miles an hour. Drivers were Mickey Thompson, Danny Ongais, Ray Brock and Bob Ottum.[4]

Boss 429 engines powered Ford Torinos in 1969 and 1970 NASCAR racing.

In 1970 the Mustang won the manufacturers’ championship in the Trans-Am series once again, with Parnelli Jones and George Follmer driving. Jones won the drivers’ title. Two years later Dick Trickle won 67 short-track feature races, a national record for wins in a single season.

In 1975 Ron Smaldone's Mustang became the first-ever American car to win the Showroom Stock national championship in SCCA road racing.

Mustangs also competed in the IMSA GTO class, with wins in 1984 and 1985. In 1985 John Jones also won the 1985 GTO drivers’ championship; Wally Dallenbach Jr., John Jones and Doc Bundy won the GTO class at the Daytona 24 Hours; and Ford won its first manufacturers’ championship in road racing since 1970. Three class wins went to Lynn St. James, the first woman to win in the series.

1986 brought eight more GTO wins and another manufacturers’ title. Scott Pruett won the drivers’ championship. The GT Endurance Championship also went to Ford.

In drag racing Rickie Smith’s Motorcraft Mustang won the International Hot Rod Association Pro Stock world championship.

In 1987 Saleen Autosport Mustangs driven by Steve Saleen and Rick Titus won the SCCA Escort Endurance SSGT championship, and in International Motor Sports Association (IMSA) racing a Mustang again won the GTO class in the Daytona 24 hours. In 1989, its silver anniversary year, the Mustang won Ford its first Trans-Am manufacturers’ title since 1970, with Lynn St. James winning the drivers’ championship. In 1997, Tommy Kendall’s Roush-prepared Mustang won a record 11 consecutive races in Trans-Am to secure his third straight driver’s championship.

In 2002 John Force broke his own NHRA drag racing record by winning his 12th national championship in his Ford Mustang Funny Car.[4]

Currently Mustangs compete in several racing series, including the KONI Challenge, where it won the manufacturer's title in 2005, and the Formula Drift and D1 Grand Prix series.

[supermachone]

mustangs thrive off their looks to the general public...if they were ugly no one would buy them...simply because u see so many teenage girls and old ladies driving mustangs, and u KNOW they didnt get them because of performance reasons, hence the v6...ppl hear mustang and they think "wow a mustang i want it" but they have no idea about the history or specs of the car, they just want it because it looks good and its a mustang

im pretty sure thats why the camaro died out, the v6 model was hidious, it doesnt have the same historic reputation as the mustang, and the general public really didnt understand the power of the lt1 or the ls1, so it really got screwed because of its reputation, although to car enthusiast, they know the ls1 is a very good motor

[zinc02GT]

whats gonna be funny is that that V6 isn't going to be much faster than a stock S197 sixxer... I saw somewhere that the '10 Camaro V6 was running 15.2-ish and a stock S197 sixxer runs like mid to low 15's... Pretty sad

[yojoe600]

Originally Posted by DeMello im sure ford will make it so the v8s have enough power to still take a tuned sixxer with more boost if not they are dumber then i thought....

maybe but they didnt do that when they had svo's... the svo's would beat the gt's all day long

[MikeD05GT]

Originally Posted by 07stanggt also funny that GM blamed the demise of the camaro on people buying 4 bangers and 6 cylinders but ford sold more stangs in 2000 then they had in 11 years. I think GM is the company in denial not Ford. Just my 2 cents.

excellent post. reps

[20gtvert03]

Originally Posted by TheUNZippee! The Camaro will also probably weigh around 3800 lbs or so.

yea but how much do you think the NEW mustang well weigh, id say prolly over 3500 lbs

[DeMello]

more stangs sold in 2000 then maros in 11 years???

[vfast]

Originally Posted by jlaw98gt who gives a shit what the camaro has. if it bothers you, sell the mustang and get a camaro because I'm a hater ..looking at my bus passes.

[Drgnracin72]

Originally Posted by 07stanggt No it doesnt bother me. The stang is what it is. the best car for the money period and will stay that way when the camaros come out. for 2000 dollars you can have your stang at 400 crank hp. Its a car that will continue to shine and sell which means aftermarket parts readily available for cheap prices. Camaros failed, a couple of times i dont get why so many on this site thinks chevy has some succesful business model, and ford should follow, follow what finacial loses and discontinued models! should we at least wait until the camaro is succesful with more then HP numbers, like maybe it sells profitably and is affordable enough to appeal to a large market. mustangs have always had less hp then camaros, didnt mean much at the track or on the streets, and one car is selling like crazy and one car hasnt made a profit since nixon was the president and hasnt even been made in 7 years. This is no different then the 5.0 agains the 5.7, ford didnt need cubes to win then. Yea ford needs to rethink itself on the mustang. then after that maybe they should scrap the f150.

please show me how to get 400crank hp or 350rwhp out of a 3v for $2000. without going with spray.

the camaro failed once, and thats because chevy didnt advertise the car and really didnt seem to care about its demise. pretty sad if you ask me.

you say the fact that camaros had more power didnt mean anything on the street or the track? thats complete bullshit too. untill the terminator came out, there wasnt a mustang out besides the 5.0s that was faster than the camaros. plain and simple fact. even the cobras were getting beat by regular z28s just a few years ago, and even then, a stock termi was only 3/10s faster in the 1/4 than an ss camaro.

your right about the f bodies not being profitable, but if you look back, chevy didnt try to sell them. you never saw adds for them, no commercials, they soimply didnt care. chevy has the corvette and it seems thats all they care about except for this new camaro coming out.

if ford scrapped the f150, that would be the end all to ford.

ford seriously needs to redesign the stang and do some actual engineering on an engine to make good power. the ls1 have always owned the modulars and will continue to do so untill ford changes the way they do things. fords modular motors pump what a measly 300hp (without boost) and get around 24-25mpg to meet emissions. chevys ls1 makes around 350, gets 30mpg and meets emiisions. chevy makes a superior engine wether you believe that or not

[vfast]

2k with 400 hp..shit headers are what 500?*L*

[Drgnracin72]

Originally Posted by 20gtvert03 yea but how much do you think the NEW mustang well weigh, id say prolly over 3500 lbs

they allready weigh more than that.

[vfast]

ford hipo engine thought 5.0 to 4.6
chevy 5.7 to 7.0*L*