[DOSBoot]

To prove Luis_GT's ranting wrong.



Ford powered cars won NASCAR manufactures cup Nine times. Toyota None.

Ford powered F1 cars have the second most F1 Manufacture wins with 13. Toyota None.

Ford powered cars in the WRC, is tied with Toyota's three wins.

Ford powered Indy Cars won the Indianapolis 500 seventeen times. Toyota one.

Ford powered GT-40s won LeMans four times. Toyota none.


Just giving a little info next time people think that Japan is better than us. Be an American, and buy a Ford.

[ReverendDexter]

How many more years has Ford been involved in NASCAR than Toyota? At least 50.

The other ones I won't dispute, other than Toyota hasn't had a WRC car since the Celica GT4s in the mid-90s.

That being said, other than the Mustang and diesel Superduty, Fords pretty much suck balls.

Honestly, would you rather have a Ranger or a Tacoma? A 5.4L F-150 or a 5.7L Tundra? A V6 Camry or a Taurus? A Celica or a Probe? A Corolla/Matrix or a Focus? In every single one of those pairings I'll take the 'yota hands down, especially if the two rigs are used.

And then to start comparing Lexus and Lincoln? Lincolns used to be badass! Now they're just Fords with a leather interior, pearlescent paint, GPS, and an extra $10k on the pricetag. If you're really lucky you might get DOHC heads in the deal, but in my opinion the Ford should've had those in the first place.

And when it comes down to it, most Toyotas are made stateside, anyways, so when it comes to supporting blue-collar workers, it's not like you're taking money from Americans. Only American CEOs, and honestly, the way they run the automotive industry, I hope they all get fired anyway.

[MSO]

so the only thing Ford won that matters to anyone outside of America are things Americans dont care about

yay, big blue won nascar! an American sport/race thing

so basically, you proved nothing, except that Ford wins things sometimes while Toyota makes better cars.

[MSO]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter How many more years has Ford been involved in NASCAR than Toyota? At least 50. The other ones I won't dispute, other than Toyota hasn't had a WRC car since the Celica GT4s in the mid-90s. That being said, other than the Mustang and diesel Superduty, Fords pretty much suck balls. Honestly, would you rather have a Ranger or a Tacoma? A 5.4L F-150 or a 5.7L Tundra? A V6 Camry or a Taurus? A Celica or a Probe? A Corolla/Matrix or a Focus? In every single one of those pairings I'll take the 'yota hands down, especially if the two rigs are used. And then to start comparing Lexus and Lincoln? Lincolns used to be badass! Now they're just Fords with a leather interior, pearlescent paint, GPS, and an extra $10k on the pricetag. If you're really lucky you might get DOHC heads in the deal, but in my opinion the Ford should've had those in the first place. And when it comes down to it, most Toyotas are made stateside, anyways, so when it comes to supporting blue-collar workers, it's not like you're taking money from Americans. Only American CEOs, and honestly, the way they run the automotive industry, I hope they all get fired anyway.

i'll take an f-150 and a focus over a toyota

the others..

;dunno

[DOSBoot]

Wow, people have lost their patriotisom over the years, haven't they.

[Dansby]

MSO, how did he prove toyota makes better cars? No where in his post did he prove that what so ever.

[GreenFaleen]

performance isnt all that goes into a good car. Not trying to start anything but toyotas are a lot more reliable than fords as well as comming up fast in the race world which they are new to

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by DOSBoot Wow, people have lost their patriotisom over the years, haven't they.

Ha! Patriotism doesn't mean that I'm gonna buy a worse product just because it's made here. That's nationalism.

I believe that Americans *could* build a better car, and they have in the past, but at the moment, most American cars are crap. Even the new Challenger and Camaro... sure, they're mostly awesome cars, but I won't buy a 4,000 lb car unless it was built in the 70s and came with a 400+ cubic inch motor.

I'm not going out and buying anything new at the moment, though if I were, it'd be an '09 WRX or STi. If Ford would bring the Focus RS stateside I'd buy it instead, but they won't, so my money would go to Subaru.

[DOSBoot]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter Ha! Patriotism doesn't mean that I'm gonna buy a worse product just because it's made here. That's nationalism. I believe that Americans *could* build a better car, and they have in the past, but at the moment, most American cars are crap. Even the new Challenger and Camaro... sure, they're mostly awesome cars, but I won't buy a 4,000 lb car unless it was built in the 70s and came with a 400+ cubic inch motor. I'm not going out and buying anything new at the moment, though if I were, it'd be an '09 WRX or STi. If Ford would bring the Focus RS stateside I'd buy it instead, but they won't, so my money would go to Subaru.

Really, I'm trying get a people more patriotic feeling in them and they nail me to the wall. I was refering to racing by the way if you haven't gotten the point of my thread.

[GreenFaleen]

actually more of my scion was produced in America, only 65% of the car has to be made in America for it to be a domestic, and 89% of the tC is made in america and it is considered a domestic car. A lot of "imports" are in fact domestic vehicles

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by jdansby1 MSO, how did he prove toyota makes better cars? No where in his post did he prove that what so ever.

Of course not - there's no way to do that.

You can empirically prove that one car performs better in some certain way, such as 0-60, hp, or mpg, but that doesn't prove a "better" car.

My questions are just the general "which would you rather have?", because most people that I know, given the options, would take the Toyota.

I mean, they didn't become the biggest car company in the world for nothing.

Are their current cars boring as crap? Absolutely. But so are most of the new Fords.

[DOSBoot]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter Of course not - there's no way to do that. You can empirically prove that one car performs better in some certain way, such as 0-60, hp, or mpg, but that doesn't prove a "better" car. My questions are just the general "which would you rather have?", because most people that I know, given the options, would take the Toyota. I mean, they didn't become the biggest car company in the world for nothing. Are their current cars boring as crap? Absolutely. But so are most of the new Fords.

Second biggest. And I was talking about racing.

[B0B]

ford needs to come out with something new. the mustang is its only performance car besides the gt, which is beyond everyones budget. why don't they make a sport compact thats cool? or a different coupe besides the mustang that is leaned towards performance? or an AWD car like the subaru? ford hasn't done anything cool for a long time.

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by B0B ford needs to come out with something new. the mustang is its only performance car besides the gt, which is beyond everyones budget. why don't they make a sport compact thats cool? or a different coupe besides the mustang that is leaned towards performance? or an AWD car like the subaru? ford hasn't done anything cool for a long time.

My opinion on this is that Ford thinks having anything of the sort will cut into Mustang sales.

They killed the turbo 2.3L because it cut into 5.0 sales.
They keep the V6 Mustang intentionally weak so it won't cut into GT sales.
They have the Fusion V6 AWD, but it's intentionally made not sporting so it won't cut into Mustang sales.
They have the Focus RS, but it would be priced ~$30k, which they fear will cut into Mustang sales.

[DOSBoot]

Boy, this thread sunk faster than a torpedoed ship. I try to prove that Ford kick ass in motorsports and then poeple try to prove me wrong about quality. Even though running a V8 for roughly 24 Hours strait, and acheiving that four times in a row would explain the quality situation. But apparently there's always going to someone who think's that I am wrong, by going off topic. Well, I going to sleep, not much sense in keeping this up. Maybe next time I'll have to type more spesifecly to get my point across. Which was that Ford is better than Toyota when it comes to racing. Luis said that racing fords couldn't corner so I was trying to prove him wrong. And their quality is good to, read Consumer Reports and you'll know why.

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by DOSBoot Boy, this thread sunk faster than a torpedoed ship. I try to prove that Ford kick ass in motorsports and then poeple try to prove me wrong about quality. Even though running a V8 for roughly 24 Hours strait, and acheiving that four times in a row would explain the quality situation. But apparently there's always going to someone who think's that I am wrong, by going off topic. Well, I going to sleep, not much sense in keeping this up. Maybe next time I'll have to type more spesifecly to get my point across. Which was that Ford is better than Toyota when it comes to racing. Luis said that racing fords couldn't corner so I was trying to prove him wrong. And their quality is good to, read Consumer Reports and you'll know why.

There is such a tremendous difference between the stress put on a Le Mans car and the stress put on a daily driver.

The GT40s in Le Mans had hand built engines that needed to run hard for 24 hours, at which point they could melt to slag and no one would care. NASCAR engines have to sustain high rpm for a few hours, and then they're rebuilt. These things have NOTHING to do with the reliability of the street cars.

[MSO]

Originally Posted by jdansby1 MSO, how did he prove toyota makes better cars? No where in his post did he prove that what so ever.

i didnt, i said he didnt prove fords were better

Originally Posted by GreenFaleen performance isnt all that goes into a good car. Not trying to start anything but toyotas are a lot more reliable than fords as well as comming up fast in the race world which they are new to

performance isnt, but toyotas are not more reliable

maybe 10 years ago

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter Ha! Patriotism doesn't mean that I'm gonna buy a worse product just because it's made here. That's nationalism. I believe that Americans *could* build a better car, and they have in the past, but at the moment, most American cars are crap. Even the new Challenger and Camaro... sure, they're mostly awesome cars, but I won't buy a 4,000 lb car unless it was built in the 70s and came with a 400+ cubic inch motor. I'm not going out and buying anything new at the moment, though if I were, it'd be an '09 WRX or STi. If Ford would bring the Focus RS stateside I'd buy it instead, but they won't, so my money would go to Subaru.

+1 for focus RS

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter My opinion on this is that Ford thinks having anything of the sort will cut into Mustang sales. They killed the turbo 2.3L because it cut into 5.0 sales. They keep the V6 Mustang intentionally weak so it won't cut into GT sales. They have the Fusion V6 AWD, but it's intentionally made not sporting so it won't cut into Mustang sales. They have the Focus RS, but it would be priced ~$30k, which they fear will cut into Mustang sales.

+1

fuck the mustang, not everyone wants one.. if they had a 2.3Tish focus coupe with a tight little suspension, i'd buy it (given i had the monetary capacity, or i cud just be American and buy it anyway)

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter There is such a tremendous difference between the stress put on a Le Mans car and the stress put on a daily driver. The GT40s in Le Mans had hand built engines that needed to run hard for 24 hours, at which point they could melt to slag and no one would care. NASCAR engines have to sustain high rpm for a few hours, and then they're rebuilt. These things have NOTHING to do with the reliability of the street cars.

+1

[97GT4.6]

id rather have any ford than any toyota. My mom's lexus with 60k on the odometer has had more wrong with it than my ford with 160k on it. The new tundra's are complete pieces of shit, and toyota can't make a single car that is some what exciting, or that looks better than complete ass.
?
Toyota better than ford in the 90's? Possibly, toyota better now? Not a chance.

[MSO]

ford doesnt have any exciting cars lol

besides the mustang

a fat pig

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by DOSBoot Wow, people have lost their patriotisom over the years, haven't they.

One thing I'm glad about being a Puertorican, I don't belive on that patriotism bullshit, and winning race has nothing to do with how good a car is. All you have said is that for has a nice race division, but non of the technology that goes into building those race cars goes unto production cars, Subaru on the other hands, does put some of the technology from their rally cars into the production model.

I'd rather drive a nice, well built car, although a bit slow, than a car thats basically plastic with a big engine and primitive suspension.