[93hatch]

Originally Posted by MSO bring back the SVO! light-weight, fast, great mpg! bring it back!!!

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by vfast I'd rather have a hyundai

One of the genesis coupes? When I first heard about the concept I was excited, as I figured Hyundai wouldn't option 'em up and try to pass them off as "luxury" in the least. I mean, it's a freakin Hyundai! But, then I saw the estimated weight being up in the 3800 lb range, and I changed my tune with the quickness.

Right now the only new car that has any interest for me is the 370Z (200 lbs lighter than the 350Z? Yes, please!), and maybe the Toyota/Subaru joint project that's supposed to come out in a couple years. But I'm pretty prepared to be disappointed by the latter.

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by MSO bring back the SVO! light-weight, fast, great mpg! bring it back!!!

They've got the right engine to do it with (The Mazdaspeed 2.3L Turbo - with mild tweaks, they could easily release it with 300hp stock), but that won't happen until the GT is making more than it's current 315hp.

[Breakout]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter One of the genesis coupes? When I first heard about the concept I was excited, as I figured Hyundai wouldn't option 'em up and try to pass them off as "luxury" in the least. I mean, it's a freakin Hyundai! But, then I saw the estimated weight being up in the 3800 lb range, and I changed my tune with the quickness. Right now the only new car that has any interest for me is the 370Z (200 lbs lighter than the 350Z? Yes, please!), and maybe the Toyota/Subaru joint project that's supposed to come out in a couple years. But I'm pretty prepared to be disappointed by the latter.

the new 370z is hawt. Are you talking about the RWD car that toyota and suburu are working on?

[vfast]

yeap 2.3 with a t-3, 6 speed,no a/c,no power windows,locks etc

[Breakout]

ford has to think of something. whether it's drastically cutting weight or bringing back the 5.0. they're not going to be able to compete with GM's 2 new muscle cars.

[93hatch]

Originally Posted by vfast yeap 2.3 with a t-3, 6 speed,no a/c,no power windows,locks etc

dam id buy it if its decent looking

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by breakout831 the new 370z is hawt. Are you talking about the RWD car that toyota and suburu are working on?

That's the one

I've heard a LOT of rumors regarding it, most of which pretty obviously crap. The things I've heard that seem to ring with the most truth are that the Toyota version will be RWD while the Sube will be AWD, that it will be using a subaru boxer engine, most likely under 2.0L (I keep hearing 1.8L). Turbo will most likely be an option.

[07KenneBellChargedGT]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter I think rather than trying to chase the Chevys and Dodges in a hp war, Ford needs to put the Mustang on a diet, and drop as much weight out of the car as is practicable. Less weight will translate to better fuel economy, better handling, being easier on tires and brakes, better acceleration, better stopping... basically every measurable aspect of performance (with the exception of top speed) will be improved by weight reduction. In the land of $5/gallon gas, which are people going to choose? The 450hp 4000lb car that gets 20mpg on the highway, or the 350hp 2800 lb car that gets 30mpg on the highway?

Just wanted to ask, where in the world are you that gas is $5 a gallon?
You can get 3 gallons for that...

I definately agree that Ford should do some weight reduction and needs to beef up the engine but Chevy is definately lucky that gas prices have gone down so so much otherwise, nobody would be buying the heavy, ass 6.2L Slo-maro.

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by 07KenneBellChargedGT Just wanted to ask, where in the world are you that gas is $5 a gallon?

Oh, not right now. But gas always goes up in the summer, and back down during winter, except for a couple price increases around the holiday travel weekends.

Next summer it'll be back up, not necessarily to $5/gallon, but it will certainly be back up to $4 and change.

The gas prices have nothing to do with actual supply, but perception of supply. That's why big finds aren't going to drop the price of gas.

[00redgt]

haha wow,the v8 gt has what 315 and this has"Projected 300 hp DOHC V6 engine that gets an estimated 27 MPG hwy with automatic transmission...go figure

[00redgt]

and its just as ulgy as the new mustang....im sticking with my 00,even if its slower,ithe 99-04 still the better looking....id still rather have the challenger

[1FUN4RD]

Estimated being the key word..

[Tacoma2055]

i'd still buy the mustang gm interiors are junk if you ask me fords are nicer and there qaulity has gone up since they been having trouble

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by 1FUN4RD Estimated being the key word..

But totally realistic. Nissan's DOHC 3.5L V6 makes just over 300hp, Hyundai's DOHC 3.8L V6 makes around 300hp, Toyota's 3.5L DOHC V6 makes over 300hp... need I go on?

[1FUN4RD]

yes, you forgot the curb weights.

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by 1FUN4RD yes, you forgot the curb weights.

Not sure what you mean. I thought you were saying that the 300hp from the new Camaro sixxer was "estimated", implying that you thought it was too high. Had nothing to do with the weight of the vehicle it was put in - I was just talking about engine output for DOHC V6s.

Ford really needs to stop dicking around with iron blocks and SOHC engines. I mean, they made an OHC FE motor 50 years ago! Even the LSxs are all aluminum, as are the b- and c-port Cobra motors, so what's the excuse for these iron blocks? It's not strength, as the Teskid aluminum blocks are 10+ years old, and they're good to power levels that almost no Mustang ever sees.