01 gt auto vs 90 civic hatch w/b18 n/a

zinsavage123 · February 6th, 2011, 10:41 PM

my gt is in sig with mods and its an auto. My buddy has a 1990 civic hatch with a b18 puttn 190whp he claims n/a. I dont beleive that with exhaust and intake and its not the gsr motor. Has a gsr bottom end, but still. those integra motors only put 140hp out so how he has 190 who knows? who you guys got in this one just for kicks? we plan to go to capital when it opens in a month.

6ER THEN I 8ER! · February 6th, 2011, 10:42 PM

im trying to figure out if your serious...he'll be lucky to take a 99-04 v6

zinsavage123 · February 6th, 2011, 10:46 PM

I know and think that too just dont wanna hurt his feelings him and all my honda buddys claim it is gonna run 13's all day long. he has a 140hp b18 motor with intake,ported manifold, full exhaust, and gsr bottom end(that dont add shit does it?) and claims keyword their 190whp? you dont go from 140hp to 190Whp from an exhaust and intake. its tuned but still ya know am I crazy here lol? dont those numbers sound bogus?

6ER THEN I 8ER! · February 6th, 2011, 11:02 PM

i see 15's in it's future seeing how stock they run 17s+

12s-13's if it was blown

zinsavage123 · February 6th, 2011, 11:22 PM

well those civic hatch's weigh only 2100lbs curb weight, or does it still not matter?

RDY4WAR · February 6th, 2011, 11:30 PM

The fastest stock compression N/A B18 motor ran a 12.2 I believe. This guy is probably far from that though. The GSR bottom end is actually 10.2:1 CR vs 9.1:1 of the B18A1. The GSR bottom end with VTEC made 170bhp and with those mods could be putting down 190whp conservatively. Hell, a buddy of mine put down 206whp with a GSR on stock compression and a Type-R head with similar mods. Figure in that the car weighs next to nothing, this could be a good race.

Willy Mo · February 7th, 2011, 10:55 AM

I forsee the mustang coming on top, but like RDY4WAR said it may be closer then you think.

zinsavage123 · February 7th, 2011, 11:49 AM

Ok I found out my boys mods vetec b18a1 bottom end,p&p Gsr head, racing manifold, full exhaust headers back, intake, and tuned/chipped

BaznastyDave · February 23rd, 2011, 01:56 AM

Yeah but Civic's have NO torque, i see that you will pull him hard starting out then it will be a game of catch up for him

edrex · March 10th, 2011, 09:24 PM

so he has a ls vtec it will be a ok race if its a good lsv

flatblack94 · March 10th, 2011, 09:35 PM

From my experice with civic owners there cars are never tuned right because they just swap endless stuff on there car, so his car may not be tuned right i know you said its tuned but just saying. On top of that ( i know mustang owners spin a lot launching) but some of the civics at my local track are just terrible they just dump the clutch, spin get wheel hop tach out etc....all in all i say you win

RDY4WAR · March 10th, 2011, 11:16 PM

I'm not sure how they are in your area but I've seen alot of very well tuned Hondas in my area. Some of them are making 300whp+ N/A on stock compression, head, cams, and ITBs. They redline at 10,200rpm and the hp is still climbing at that point.

gray8188 · March 11th, 2011, 11:24 AM

I agree with RDY4WAR.. That little EF could very easily be a 13 sec car if it is set up properly. I think you will have your hands full. I could see it going either way if it does make what he claims.. Your best bet would be to get out front and get a good start cause he could definitely come around you up top..

egfconnor · March 11th, 2011, 11:39 AM

If he doesn't have different cams, he's probably a mid to lower 14 sec car. If he does, and a decent tune, and tires I see him being mid to high 13s. This is assuming its an lsvtec that has been tuned and built a little. It's probably more likely hes around 160-170whp, but thats still enough to get a low 14 easy..I say you need to launch good and use the low end grunt of the 4.6 otherwise he probably has you. This all banks on his car actually being something worthwhile though and not another ls swap with i/h/e.

RDY4WAR · March 11th, 2011, 04:14 PM

A friend of mine has a 1998 Integra GS-R that is built up N/A. Below is a "digitally made" copy of his dyno chart.

275whp @ 9320rpm
176wtq @ 7,000 - 8,000rpm

VTEC set to kick-in at 6500rpm, stock B18C1 short block (factory forged internals), stock compression, ported stock GS-R head, Crower stage 3 cams, ported GS-R intake manifold, bigger TB, 4-to-1 header with 3" collector, 3" straight pipe out the back, and on 93 pump gas. The intake manifold, head, and header are all ported even to one another for no restrictions in air flow.

His best 1/4 mile time was 12.82 @ 112mph spinning. It's currently torn down as he's building the motor with 12:1 compression, going with all MSD ignition, and ITBs. He's shooting for 340whp on 93 octane. Remember that this is naturally aspirated.

egfconnor · March 11th, 2011, 08:22 PM

Not doubting you at all but that seems pretty crazy for stock compression....

black2001gt · March 11th, 2011, 09:17 PM

I raced a new civic si 2 door with a full exhaust, and intake. We raced from a dig twice, and I raped him both times. I have no mufflers on my car, intake, a short shifter, and
107k miles. I think you will get him.

RDY4WAR · March 11th, 2011, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by egfconnor

Not doubting you at all but that seems pretty crazy for stock compression....

It's pretty common actually. There's been quite a few hit the 300whp mark on stock compression with ITBs.

egfconnor · March 12th, 2011, 01:47 AM

itb = independent throttle bodies? you're telling me a 170hp 1.8 liter 4 cylinder stock motor that puts out roughly 145 whp is making an additional 130 whp while still naturally aspirated? I've seen some NA builds that barely push the 200 whp mark....

RDY4WAR · March 12th, 2011, 02:07 AM

There's NA builds with ITBs, over 12:1 CR, C16 race gas, and other goodies that are making upwards of 400whp+ and running low 10s in the 1/4 mile. It takes alot of money to get there though. My friend's GS-R, I've seen his engine torn apart and they are the stock pistons. There's no compression bump there. The head has been ported and using bigger valves with big cams that are dialed out for high end power. The stock intake manifold was ported to evenly match the head and it was running a big throttle body with a true cold air. The exhaust was about as free flowing as you can get and also ported to match the head. He had an upgraded oil pump for higher rpm and 42lb injectors but that's about it. I just found out from him that the 275whp dyno was on C16 leaded race gas, not 93 pump gas. He said the tuning was pushing the limits of what the motor could handle also so it wasn't something he ran on a daily basis. He said it was realistically around the 235-240whp range on 93 pump gas and very cammy.

EDIT: Look at this video. The Civics you see running in the beginning of the video are naturally aspirated running mid-low 10s.

YouTube - Imports vs. Domestics - World Cup Finals MIR 2010 Part 2 HD

February 6th, 2011, 10:41 PM	#1
zinsavage123 Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 Mustang GT 12.33@111.23mph Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: baltimore, md Posts: 1,422 iTrader: 3 reviews	01 gt auto vs 90 civic hatch w/b18 n/a my gt is in sig with mods and its an auto. My buddy has a 1990 civic hatch with a b18 puttn 190whp he claims n/a. I dont beleive that with exhaust and intake and its not the gsr motor. Has a gsr bottom end, but still. those integra motors only put 140hp out so how he has 190 who knows? who you guys got in this one just for kicks? we plan to go to capital when it opens in a month. __________________ 2001 Mustang GT - mods+pics in garage, tuned by matt@performance evolution 1996 Civic DX - my dd Last edited by zinsavage123; February 6th, 2011 at 10:53 PM.

February 6th, 2011, 10:46 PM	#3
zinsavage123 Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 Mustang GT 12.33@111.23mph Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: baltimore, md Posts: 1,422 iTrader: 3 reviews	I know and think that too just dont wanna hurt his feelings him and all my honda buddys claim it is gonna run 13's all day long. he has a 140hp b18 motor with intake,ported manifold, full exhaust, and gsr bottom end(that dont add shit does it?) and claims keyword their 190whp? you dont go from 140hp to 190Whp from an exhaust and intake. its tuned but still ya know am I crazy here lol? dont those numbers sound bogus? __________________ 2001 Mustang GT - mods+pics in garage, tuned by matt@performance evolution 1996 Civic DX - my dd

February 6th, 2011, 11:22 PM	#5
zinsavage123 Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 Mustang GT 12.33@111.23mph Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: baltimore, md Posts: 1,422 iTrader: 3 reviews	well those civic hatch's weigh only 2100lbs curb weight, or does it still not matter? __________________ 2001 Mustang GT - mods+pics in garage, tuned by matt@performance evolution 1996 Civic DX - my dd

February 6th, 2011, 11:30 PM	#6
RDY4WAR I Post Entirely Way Too Much 07 Turbo Focus 12.93 @ 105mph Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Glen Burnie, MD Posts: 6,006 iTrader: 0 reviews	The fastest stock compression N/A B18 motor ran a 12.2 I believe. This guy is probably far from that though. The GSR bottom end is actually 10.2:1 CR vs 9.1:1 of the B18A1. The GSR bottom end with VTEC made 170bhp and with those mods could be putting down 190whp conservatively. Hell, a buddy of mine put down 206whp with a GSR on stock compression and a Type-R head with similar mods. Figure in that the car weighs next to nothing, this could be a good race. __________________ 2007 Focus - 230/215, cams/head/manifold swap done, new #s soon ...going E85! 1985 Bronco - 351W & 4WD 1986 Mustang LX - 351W build in the works! David Michael Smith, 07/25/1956 - 12/08/2011 ...R.I.P dad! I miss you dearly!

February 7th, 2011, 10:55 AM	#7
Willy Mo MM Fanatic 2002 Mustang GT Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: MO Posts: 4,368 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 2 reviews	I forsee the mustang coming on top, but like RDY4WAR said it may be closer then you think. __________________

February 6th, 2011, 10:42 PM	#2
6ER THEN I 8ER! Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Portland, TN Posts: 17,515 iTrader: 3 reviews	im trying to figure out if your serious...he'll be lucky to take a 99-04 v6

February 6th, 2011, 11:02 PM	#4
6ER THEN I 8ER! Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Portland, TN Posts: 17,515 iTrader: 3 reviews	i see 15's in it's future seeing how stock they run 17s+ 12s-13's if it was blown

February 7th, 2011, 11:49 AM	#8
zinsavage123 Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 Mustang GT 12.33@111.23mph Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: baltimore, md Posts: 1,422 iTrader: 3 reviews	Ok I found out my boys mods vetec b18a1 bottom end,p&p Gsr head, racing manifold, full exhaust headers back, intake, and tuned/chipped __________________ 2001 Mustang GT - mods+pics in garage, tuned by matt@performance evolution 1996 Civic DX - my dd Last edited by zinsavage123; February 7th, 2011 at 01:19 PM.

February 23rd, 2011, 01:56 AM	#9
BaznastyDave MM Fanatic 2004 Mustang Join Date: May 2010 Location: NC Posts: 4,339 iTrader: 4 reviews	Yeah but Civic's have NO torque, i see that you will pull him hard starting out then it will be a game of catch up for him __________________ 305/333 WHP/WTQ with CMS Stage II cams 440/552 WHP/WTQ on Spray 7.86 @ 89.1mph, 1.61 60 foot N/A 7.20 @ 98.8MPH 1.55 60 foot on spray Stock Longblock with Cams

March 10th, 2011, 09:24 PM	#10
edrex Newbie Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 16 iTrader: 0 reviews	so he has a ls vtec it will be a ok race if its a good lsv __________________ 89 lx 347 and to much to list lol

March 10th, 2011, 09:35 PM	#11
flatblack94 Hardcore Enthusiast 1987 lx T-Top N/A Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: salisbury,ma Posts: 1,148 iTrader: 0 reviews	From my experice with civic owners there cars are never tuned right because they just swap endless stuff on there car, so his car may not be tuned right i know you said its tuned but just saying. On top of that ( i know mustang owners spin a lot launching) but some of the civics at my local track are just terrible they just dump the clutch, spin get wheel hop tach out etc....all in all i say you win __________________ 87' T-Top lx...all stock

March 10th, 2011, 11:16 PM	#12
RDY4WAR I Post Entirely Way Too Much 07 Turbo Focus 12.93 @ 105mph Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Glen Burnie, MD Posts: 6,006 iTrader: 0 reviews	I'm not sure how they are in your area but I've seen alot of very well tuned Hondas in my area. Some of them are making 300whp+ N/A on stock compression, head, cams, and ITBs. They redline at 10,200rpm and the hp is still climbing at that point. __________________ 2007 Focus - 230/215, cams/head/manifold swap done, new #s soon ...going E85! 1985 Bronco - 351W & 4WD 1986 Mustang LX - 351W build in the works! David Michael Smith, 07/25/1956 - 12/08/2011 ...R.I.P dad! I miss you dearly!

March 11th, 2011, 11:24 AM	#13
gray8188 MM Fanatic 2003 mustang gt yr 1965 @ 88mph Join Date: May 2008 Location: between bluefilly's legs. Posts: 3,425 iTrader: 5 reviews	I agree with RDY4WAR.. That little EF could very easily be a 13 sec car if it is set up properly. I think you will have your hands full. I could see it going either way if it does make what he claims.. Your best bet would be to get out front and get a good start cause he could definitely come around you up top.. __________________ i'm pretty sure that when i move into my own place i'm gonna mount an anti aircraft gun on my roof with somebody manning it 24 hours a day. why? because it would be fucking AWESOME.[/quote]

March 11th, 2011, 11:39 AM	#14
egfconnor Enthusiast 1999 Mustang GT 14.2@98 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Moorhead, MN Posts: 582 iTrader: 2 reviews	If he doesn't have different cams, he's probably a mid to lower 14 sec car. If he does, and a decent tune, and tires I see him being mid to high 13s. This is assuming its an lsvtec that has been tuned and built a little. It's probably more likely hes around 160-170whp, but thats still enough to get a low 14 easy..I say you need to launch good and use the low end grunt of the 4.6 otherwise he probably has you. This all banks on his car actually being something worthwhile though and not another ls swap with i/h/e. __________________ Nitto NT-555's, AR 17x9 Shelby Razors, K&N FIPK intake, BBK Gripp 1.5" drop, Magnaflow catback, FRPP 3.73 Gears and Bama tune WTB MGW shifter, PM me. Selling 3.27 stock gears too!

March 11th, 2011, 04:14 PM	#15
RDY4WAR I Post Entirely Way Too Much 07 Turbo Focus 12.93 @ 105mph Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Glen Burnie, MD Posts: 6,006 iTrader: 0 reviews	A friend of mine has a 1998 Integra GS-R that is built up N/A. Below is a "digitally made" copy of his dyno chart. 275whp @ 9320rpm 176wtq @ 7,000 - 8,000rpm VTEC set to kick-in at 6500rpm, stock B18C1 short block (factory forged internals), stock compression, ported stock GS-R head, Crower stage 3 cams, ported GS-R intake manifold, bigger TB, 4-to-1 header with 3" collector, 3" straight pipe out the back, and on 93 pump gas. The intake manifold, head, and header are all ported even to one another for no restrictions in air flow. His best 1/4 mile time was 12.82 @ 112mph spinning. It's currently torn down as he's building the motor with 12:1 compression, going with all MSD ignition, and ITBs. He's shooting for 340whp on 93 octane. Remember that this is naturally aspirated. __________________ 2007 Focus - 230/215, cams/head/manifold swap done, new #s soon ...going E85! 1985 Bronco - 351W & 4WD 1986 Mustang LX - 351W build in the works! David Michael Smith, 07/25/1956 - 12/08/2011 ...R.I.P dad! I miss you dearly!

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March 11th, 2011, 08:22 PM	#16
egfconnor Enthusiast 1999 Mustang GT 14.2@98 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Moorhead, MN Posts: 582 iTrader: 2 reviews	Not doubting you at all but that seems pretty crazy for stock compression.... __________________ Nitto NT-555's, AR 17x9 Shelby Razors, K&N FIPK intake, BBK Gripp 1.5" drop, Magnaflow catback, FRPP 3.73 Gears and Bama tune WTB MGW shifter, PM me. Selling 3.27 stock gears too!

March 11th, 2011, 09:17 PM	#17
black2001gt Newbie 2001 mustang gt 13.919@100.81 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: bridgeview il Posts: 22 iTrader: 0 reviews	I raced a new civic si 2 door with a full exhaust, and intake. We raced from a dig twice, and I raped him both times. I have no mufflers on my car, intake, a short shifter, and 107k miles. I think you will get him.

March 12th, 2011, 01:47 AM	#19
egfconnor Enthusiast 1999 Mustang GT 14.2@98 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Moorhead, MN Posts: 582 iTrader: 2 reviews	itb = independent throttle bodies? you're telling me a 170hp 1.8 liter 4 cylinder stock motor that puts out roughly 145 whp is making an additional 130 whp while still naturally aspirated? I've seen some NA builds that barely push the 200 whp mark.... __________________ Nitto NT-555's, AR 17x9 Shelby Razors, K&N FIPK intake, BBK Gripp 1.5" drop, Magnaflow catback, FRPP 3.73 Gears and Bama tune WTB MGW shifter, PM me. Selling 3.27 stock gears too!

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