The Flying Bananna's New Times

Hillsbaseball08 · May 9th, 2008, 04:30 PM

I just got back from the track and the times are better but should still be lower. It was packed, I only got three runs in. The guys in the tower lost my time slip for my best run but my friend said I got an 8.31 @ 89mph. 3/10 of a second off but I think it could still be better. I'm getting some wheel hop at the beggining and I think it's killing my 60' times. I have 328hp and 425ftlbs of tourque what should I be running? I'll post a video of the run later.

03 R Code · May 9th, 2008, 04:40 PM

Is that rear wheel ratings or engine?

I'd say with that hp and that much tq You should be in the high 7's, if you can cut some 1.6x 60' times. What are your 60's from today? Get some new upper and lower control arms. That will take care of your wheel hop and should do a fair job of lowering your 60 times by about .1-.2 sec alone. Of course some sticky tires are gonna help that too. The new control arms for the rear has been one of my favorite mods so far. They completely eliminated all of my wheel hop problems.

Hillsbaseball08 · May 9th, 2008, 04:46 PM

Yea that's rwhp. High 7s low 8s is what i was thinking it should be. Yea i've been looking at control arms for a while, I think that's going to be my next mod.

03 R Code · May 9th, 2008, 05:00 PM

It should deffinantly be next. Besides lowering springs which do shit for weight transfer in a drag race, suspension upgrades are by far the best bang for the buck. Cheap and simple, they can be installed in your garage with the car on jack stands if you've got someone to help you. Where in TX are you at? I am in San Antonio, the only 1/8th mile tracks are up in Denton or in I think Greenville... There are a few others in the Dallas metro but I'm not sure where.

Hillsbaseball08 · May 9th, 2008, 05:08 PM

I'm in Fort Worth. If I did the lowering springs would I have to get CC plates?

03 R Code · May 9th, 2008, 05:27 PM

If you did the lowering springs it's gonna make it harder to get that 7sec 1/8 time slip.
Maybe I said it wrong in my last post, lowering springs will not help you in the drag dept. The weight transfer is horrible because the springs are stiffer than stock which means the front isn't going to rise up as much and the rear isn't going to squat as much as it will with stock springs.

But to the question at hand; It's gonna depend on which lowering springs.

Hillsbaseball08 · May 9th, 2008, 05:33 PM

O ok. How much do drag springs help? And would you be able to see a diffrence visually?

03 R Code · May 9th, 2008, 05:36 PM

Not sure on the way a vehicle sits with drag springs, but the rear springs can be changed out in about an hour if they sit funny going down the road... Would give enough time for your car to cool off before running. If I had to guess I'd say that the rear of your car will sit noticeably higher than the front, with a heavily raked stance.

I've not ran any drag springs on my car but it should be the equal of upper and lower control arms. It's gonna allow your car to really "rock" back at launch, especially if you have a good set of sticky tires.

Hillsbaseball08 · May 9th, 2008, 09:26 PM

Yea i've heard people say "sticky tires" alot. I have the nitto drag radials, are yall talking about drs or slicks?

03 R Code · May 10th, 2008, 01:48 PM

Nitto drag radials are mid line in drag radial tires. Some MT ET streets will out perform those at the track and on the street, but only in dry weather.

You may look for a set of light wheels for the front and rear and some good MT's for track use only. Especially if it's your daily driver. The Mickey's will eventually wreck a car if used on the street in the rain...

Hillsbaseball08 · May 10th, 2008, 01:52 PM

Yea these nittos are already sketchy when it rains.

Hillsbaseball08 · May 11th, 2008, 06:01 PM

What are some light weight wheels?

NXstang · May 11th, 2008, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by 03 R Code

If you did the lowering springs it's gonna make it harder to get that 7sec 1/8 time slip.
Maybe I said it wrong in my last post, lowering springs will not help you in the drag dept. The weight transfer is horrible because the springs are stiffer than stock which means the front isn't going to rise up as much and the rear isn't going to squat as much as it will with stock springs.

But to the question at hand; It's gonna depend on which lowering springs.

No it wont.

I have Steeda sport springso n my car. On ET Streets I cut 1.63 60fts.

Unhook the front swaybar and put some ET Streets/ET Dragso n the car.

I dyno'd 338 RWHP/475 RWTQ on a Mustang Dyno and I went 7.60's@89-90MPH all day long with alot less bolt ons than you have.

03 R Code · May 11th, 2008, 06:39 PM

This is something I found with a quick Google search. It's off of LS1tech.com and the poster is a lowering spring manufacturer. I think he would know better than either of us on what effects lowering springs or drag race springs have on launch's and 60's...

To the OP I'm sure if you do just a tiny bit of research on the web you will find that a lowering spring won't transfer weight to the back tires like your stock (read taller and softer) springs will.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Strano

I can't answer it the way you'd like. The springs aren't meant for drag racing. Any lower and stiffer springs hurts weight transfer to some degree. The same effect as you get in terms of body roll when you lower. Ever notice "drag" springs are tall and soft? Of most lowering springs I think mine are some of the best launching. I don't run super stiff rear rates, and I don't slam the car.

As for the shocks. All I can tell you is that if you turn Koni's down in front they don't launch bad. More than one guy in the 1.6's on Koni's and springs, and one many pulled a 1.50 on stock springs and Koni's (better than on QA1/Afco combination)

Hillsbaseball08 · May 11th, 2008, 11:16 PM

Too bad about the lowering springs. I don't think i'll get them if theyre going to hurt my times. Nice to know my car is capable of sub 8 second runs though.

Hillsbaseball08 · May 11th, 2008, 11:35 PM

Hey NX stang, what rpm do you launch at? Do you run the nitrous out of first gear or do you wait till 2nd gear?

95blackbeauty · May 15th, 2008, 05:27 PM

Im in garland...We should try and hit up the track this summer

Hillsbaseball08 · May 15th, 2008, 06:06 PM

Yea. How long is the drive from garland?

95blackbeauty · May 15th, 2008, 11:01 PM

to FW? im not too sure...I live in athens but im moving up to my dads this summer cuz i work up there...I think its like 30 minutes or so from garland to FW i could be wrong though.

psycho bob · May 16th, 2008, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Hillsbaseball08

What are some light weight wheels?

www.gregweld.com
Bogart Racing Wheels

May 9th, 2008, 04:30 PM	#1
Hillsbaseball08 Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 8.15@86 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Fort Worth,Texas Posts: 590	The Flying Bananna's New Times I just got back from the track and the times are better but should still be lower. It was packed, I only got three runs in. The guys in the tower lost my time slip for my best run but my friend said I got an 8.31 @ 89mph. 3/10 of a second off but I think it could still be better. I'm getting some wheel hop at the beggining and I think it's killing my 60' times. I have 328hp and 425ftlbs of tourque what should I be running? I'll post a video of the run later. __________________ 07 GT500 & 2002 GT: 100 Shot Of Nitrous, 75mm BBK Throttle Body and Plenum, C&L Intake, Flowmaster Exaust, Bassani X Pipes, 3:73 Gear Ratio, BBK Upper and Lower Control Arms, Pro 5.0 Shifter, DiabloSport Tune, Underdrive Pulleys, Line Lock.

May 9th, 2008, 04:40 PM	#2
03 R Code Hardcore Enthusiast unstoppable @ speed of light Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Knees deep in dat ass Posts: 2,868	Is that rear wheel ratings or engine? I'd say with that hp and that much tq You should be in the high 7's, if you can cut some 1.6x 60' times. What are your 60's from today? Get some new upper and lower control arms. That will take care of your wheel hop and should do a fair job of lowering your 60 times by about .1-.2 sec alone. Of course some sticky tires are gonna help that too. The new control arms for the rear has been one of my favorite mods so far. They completely eliminated all of my wheel hop problems. __________________ Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

May 9th, 2008, 04:46 PM	#3
Hillsbaseball08 Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 8.15@86 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Fort Worth,Texas Posts: 590	Yea that's rwhp. High 7s low 8s is what i was thinking it should be. Yea i've been looking at control arms for a while, I think that's going to be my next mod. __________________ 07 GT500 & 2002 GT: 100 Shot Of Nitrous, 75mm BBK Throttle Body and Plenum, C&L Intake, Flowmaster Exaust, Bassani X Pipes, 3:73 Gear Ratio, BBK Upper and Lower Control Arms, Pro 5.0 Shifter, DiabloSport Tune, Underdrive Pulleys, Line Lock.

May 9th, 2008, 05:00 PM	#4
03 R Code Hardcore Enthusiast unstoppable @ speed of light Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Knees deep in dat ass Posts: 2,868	It should deffinantly be next. Besides lowering springs which do shit for weight transfer in a drag race, suspension upgrades are by far the best bang for the buck. Cheap and simple, they can be installed in your garage with the car on jack stands if you've got someone to help you. Where in TX are you at? I am in San Antonio, the only 1/8th mile tracks are up in Denton or in I think Greenville... There are a few others in the Dallas metro but I'm not sure where. __________________ Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

May 9th, 2008, 05:08 PM	#5
Hillsbaseball08 Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 8.15@86 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Fort Worth,Texas Posts: 590	I'm in Fort Worth. If I did the lowering springs would I have to get CC plates? __________________ 07 GT500 & 2002 GT: 100 Shot Of Nitrous, 75mm BBK Throttle Body and Plenum, C&L Intake, Flowmaster Exaust, Bassani X Pipes, 3:73 Gear Ratio, BBK Upper and Lower Control Arms, Pro 5.0 Shifter, DiabloSport Tune, Underdrive Pulleys, Line Lock.

May 9th, 2008, 05:27 PM	#6
03 R Code Hardcore Enthusiast unstoppable @ speed of light Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Knees deep in dat ass Posts: 2,868	If you did the lowering springs it's gonna make it harder to get that 7sec 1/8 time slip. Maybe I said it wrong in my last post, lowering springs will not help you in the drag dept. The weight transfer is horrible because the springs are stiffer than stock which means the front isn't going to rise up as much and the rear isn't going to squat as much as it will with stock springs. But to the question at hand; It's gonna depend on which lowering springs. __________________ Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. Last edited by 03 R Code : May 9th, 2008 at 05:29 PM.

May 9th, 2008, 05:33 PM	#7
Hillsbaseball08 Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 8.15@86 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Fort Worth,Texas Posts: 590	O ok. How much do drag springs help? And would you be able to see a diffrence visually? __________________ 07 GT500 & 2002 GT: 100 Shot Of Nitrous, 75mm BBK Throttle Body and Plenum, C&L Intake, Flowmaster Exaust, Bassani X Pipes, 3:73 Gear Ratio, BBK Upper and Lower Control Arms, Pro 5.0 Shifter, DiabloSport Tune, Underdrive Pulleys, Line Lock.

May 9th, 2008, 05:36 PM	#8
03 R Code Hardcore Enthusiast unstoppable @ speed of light Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Knees deep in dat ass Posts: 2,868	Not sure on the way a vehicle sits with drag springs, but the rear springs can be changed out in about an hour if they sit funny going down the road... Would give enough time for your car to cool off before running. If I had to guess I'd say that the rear of your car will sit noticeably higher than the front, with a heavily raked stance. I've not ran any drag springs on my car but it should be the equal of upper and lower control arms. It's gonna allow your car to really "rock" back at launch, especially if you have a good set of sticky tires. __________________ Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

May 9th, 2008, 09:26 PM	#9
Hillsbaseball08 Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 8.15@86 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Fort Worth,Texas Posts: 590	Yea i've heard people say "sticky tires" alot. I have the nitto drag radials, are yall talking about drs or slicks? __________________ 07 GT500 & 2002 GT: 100 Shot Of Nitrous, 75mm BBK Throttle Body and Plenum, C&L Intake, Flowmaster Exaust, Bassani X Pipes, 3:73 Gear Ratio, BBK Upper and Lower Control Arms, Pro 5.0 Shifter, DiabloSport Tune, Underdrive Pulleys, Line Lock.

May 10th, 2008, 01:48 PM	#10
03 R Code Hardcore Enthusiast unstoppable @ speed of light Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Knees deep in dat ass Posts: 2,868	Nitto drag radials are mid line in drag radial tires. Some MT ET streets will out perform those at the track and on the street, but only in dry weather. You may look for a set of light wheels for the front and rear and some good MT's for track use only. Especially if it's your daily driver. The Mickey's will eventually wreck a car if used on the street in the rain... __________________ Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

May 10th, 2008, 01:52 PM	#11
Hillsbaseball08 Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 8.15@86 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Fort Worth,Texas Posts: 590	Yea these nittos are already sketchy when it rains. __________________ 07 GT500 & 2002 GT: 100 Shot Of Nitrous, 75mm BBK Throttle Body and Plenum, C&L Intake, Flowmaster Exaust, Bassani X Pipes, 3:73 Gear Ratio, BBK Upper and Lower Control Arms, Pro 5.0 Shifter, DiabloSport Tune, Underdrive Pulleys, Line Lock.

May 11th, 2008, 06:01 PM	#12
Hillsbaseball08 Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 8.15@86 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Fort Worth,Texas Posts: 590	What are some light weight wheels? __________________ 07 GT500 & 2002 GT: 100 Shot Of Nitrous, 75mm BBK Throttle Body and Plenum, C&L Intake, Flowmaster Exaust, Bassani X Pipes, 3:73 Gear Ratio, BBK Upper and Lower Control Arms, Pro 5.0 Shifter, DiabloSport Tune, Underdrive Pulleys, Line Lock.

May 11th, 2008, 06:39 PM	#14
03 R Code Hardcore Enthusiast unstoppable @ speed of light Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Knees deep in dat ass Posts: 2,868	This is something I found with a quick Google search. It's off of LS1tech.com and the poster is a lowering spring manufacturer. I think he would know better than either of us on what effects lowering springs or drag race springs have on launch's and 60's... To the OP I'm sure if you do just a tiny bit of research on the web you will find that a lowering spring won't transfer weight to the back tires like your stock (read taller and softer) springs will. Quote: Originally Posted by Sam Strano I can't answer it the way you'd like. The springs aren't meant for drag racing. Any lower and stiffer springs hurts weight transfer to some degree. The same effect as you get in terms of body roll when you lower. Ever notice "drag" springs are tall and soft? Of most lowering springs I think mine are some of the best launching. I don't run super stiff rear rates, and I don't slam the car. As for the shocks. All I can tell you is that if you turn Koni's down in front they don't launch bad. More than one guy in the 1.6's on Koni's and springs, and one many pulled a 1.50 on stock springs and Koni's (better than on QA1/Afco combination) __________________ Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

May 11th, 2008, 11:16 PM	#15
Hillsbaseball08 Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 8.15@86 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Fort Worth,Texas Posts: 590	Too bad about the lowering springs. I don't think i'll get them if theyre going to hurt my times. Nice to know my car is capable of sub 8 second runs though. __________________ 07 GT500 & 2002 GT: 100 Shot Of Nitrous, 75mm BBK Throttle Body and Plenum, C&L Intake, Flowmaster Exaust, Bassani X Pipes, 3:73 Gear Ratio, BBK Upper and Lower Control Arms, Pro 5.0 Shifter, DiabloSport Tune, Underdrive Pulleys, Line Lock.

May 11th, 2008, 11:35 PM	#16
Hillsbaseball08 Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 8.15@86 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Fort Worth,Texas Posts: 590	Hey NX stang, what rpm do you launch at? Do you run the nitrous out of first gear or do you wait till 2nd gear? __________________ 07 GT500 & 2002 GT: 100 Shot Of Nitrous, 75mm BBK Throttle Body and Plenum, C&L Intake, Flowmaster Exaust, Bassani X Pipes, 3:73 Gear Ratio, BBK Upper and Lower Control Arms, Pro 5.0 Shifter, DiabloSport Tune, Underdrive Pulleys, Line Lock.

May 15th, 2008, 05:27 PM	#17
95blackbeauty Enthusiast 95 5.0 too slow Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Athens, TX Posts: 861	Im in garland...We should try and hit up the track this summer __________________ 95 gt H.O. Udp's, Pypes O/r X, flowmaster 40's,CAI, 3.73 gears, C&L 76mm MAF,GT40p's, Shorties, 1.6 rr's,Gt40 manifold, short throw, Back Seat Delete

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May 15th, 2008, 06:06 PM	#18
Hillsbaseball08 Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 8.15@86 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Fort Worth,Texas Posts: 590	Yea. How long is the drive from garland? __________________ 07 GT500 & 2002 GT: 100 Shot Of Nitrous, 75mm BBK Throttle Body and Plenum, C&L Intake, Flowmaster Exaust, Bassani X Pipes, 3:73 Gear Ratio, BBK Upper and Lower Control Arms, Pro 5.0 Shifter, DiabloSport Tune, Underdrive Pulleys, Line Lock.

May 15th, 2008, 11:01 PM	#19
95blackbeauty Enthusiast 95 5.0 too slow Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Athens, TX Posts: 861	to FW? im not too sure...I live in athens but im moving up to my dads this summer cuz i work up there...I think its like 30 minutes or so from garland to FW i could be wrong though. __________________ 95 gt H.O. Udp's, Pypes O/r X, flowmaster 40's,CAI, 3.73 gears, C&L 76mm MAF,GT40p's, Shorties, 1.6 rr's,Gt40 manifold, short throw, Back Seat Delete