[Steamboat 16]

75 shot or 100 shot are both very safe, anything above 125 starts to get edgy

[justinsstang]

i'd go with a 75 shot. cant really go wrong there. good amount of hp gain, and still super safe... 100 can give problems depending on ur mileage i heard 125 up = for motor under 65k miles

[justinsstang]

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[Youngin]

Originally Posted by 97stanger Originally Posted by Youngin Turbo Lag = Baddd . id rather be pregnant then be in a 10second race with it what???? that made no sense

means dont get a turbo

[Steamboat 16]

twin turbo=no lag, more power

[mustang1072]

im not a huge fan of turbos... dont get me wrong if someone was to give me 1 i wouldnt complain but i would rather have a sc just cause it runs all the time

[Cricket]

Alright I'm back, and let me clear the air.

First of all Nitrous is a chemical induction, not forced induction.

Second of all Turbo lag is not all that bad you only have to worry about it in first gear usually because every other gear you should be shifting into your powerband, and then the turbo will spool even quicker just because of the fact it was already moving. Trust me. I know. I have driven some turbo cars, and turbo lag to me is like foreplay.

Now if you are really considering a turbo kit I need to ask you more questions.

What kind of setup do you want? Single turbo? Twin turbo?
Also if it is twins, do you want a parallel setup or a sequential setup?

Parallel they both work together as one, sequential works independently of each other, but ends up acting as a turbo that is matched for the engine perfectly (Ie. quick spooling, and major power) Now all of these setups will get you the power you want, but some are a lot harder than others, and more expensive.

[97stanger]

Originally Posted by Cricket Alright I'm back, and let me clear the air. First of all Nitrous is a chemical induction, not forced induction. Second of all Turbo lag is not all that bad you only have to worry about it in first gear usually because every other gear you should be shifting into your powerband, and then the turbo will spool even quicker just because of the fact it was already moving. Trust me. I know. I have driven some turbo cars, and turbo lag to me is like foreplay. Now if you are really considering a turbo kit I need to ask you more questions. What kind of setup do you want? Single turbo? Twin turbo? Also if it is twins, do you want a parallel setup or a sequential setup? Parallel they both work together as one, sequential works independently of each other, but ends up acting as a turbo that is matched for the engine perfectly (Ie. quick spooling, and major power) Now all of these setups will get you the power you want, but some are a lot harder than others, and more expensive.

I really dont want to run Nitrous. I am interested in a Turbo though. Very interested. Just a single turbo. I cant afford twin turbo. How should I go about it?

[Steamboat 16]

hold it, a twin turbo might not be out of the question, look around your local junk yard for something like a mitsubishi 3000Gt or dodge stealth AMC eagle tsi and plymoth lazer, the top line models of those were twin turbo, if you could locate one of those then you could probably pretty easily set it up for your stang

[Onemanzu]

junked car's could have a blown turbo tho... be very very careful about those...

uhh if your serious... send some emails to the makers... Garrett... Greddy... other turbo makers that i cna't think of right now T_T and tell them your situation your car thats its a 232 you understand that other modification would have to be done to make it work but that you are looking for X-Y horse power... say 350-400 and they will help you the right turbo for your application...

plus they are the pro's

[Cricket]

i've had bad experiences with junk yard turbos. So bad that they couldn't be rebuilt. Also most of the fastest turbo cars are single turbo cars.

The best thing you can do is to talk to andy at www.tmaturbo.com. If you are serious about going with a turbo setup you can not have long tube headers, unless you fab up your rear mount turbo system. Your going to want either the xcal 2 or the livewire. I recommend the livewire. A new ignition system for a colder spark which allows for a larger gap in the spark plugs for different a/f ratios, colder spark plugs, underdrive pulleys, h-pipe, catback of your choice, new fuel pump, fuel regulator, fuel injectors, upper intake manifold, lower intake manifold, valve covers with stainless steel valves, camshaft, you already said your covered with the 8.8" rear end.

Those are just mods that will really pull the entire setup together.

Alright now for the turbo. Andy can set you up with a whole kit. All the piping, including the turbo manifolds(headers that connect to the turbo) His kits come with the turbo headers, turbo, piping, intercooler, wastegate, bov.

Also it is good to get a turbo timer, and boost controller, along with some guages to moniter your boost, air fuel ratio, and also your oil.

[97stanger]

Originally Posted by Cricket i've had bad experiences with junk yard turbos. So bad that they couldn't be rebuilt. Also most of the fastest turbo cars are single turbo cars. The best thing you can do is to talk to andy at www.tmaturbo.com. If you are serious about going with a turbo setup you can not have long tube headers, unless you fab up your rear mount turbo system. Your going to want either the xcal 2 or the livewire. I recommend the livewire. A new ignition system for a colder spark which allows for a larger gap in the spark plugs for different a/f ratios, colder spark plugs, underdrive pulleys, h-pipe, catback of your choice, new fuel pump, fuel regulator, fuel injectors, upper intake manifold, lower intake manifold, valve covers with stainless steel valves, camshaft, you already said your covered with the 8.8" rear end. Those are just mods that will really pull the entire setup together. Alright now for the turbo. Andy can set you up with a whole kit. All the piping, including the turbo manifolds(headers that connect to the turbo) His kits come with the turbo headers, turbo, piping, intercooler, wastegate, bov. Also it is good to get a turbo timer, and boost controller, along with some guages to moniter your boost, air fuel ratio, and also your oil.

ok ill talk to him. But im still stuck. Part of me wants to get the Eaton M90. What is the biggest difference between the Sc and a Tc?

[Cricket]

turbo is exhaust driven, is more efficient, and makes more power at same boost levels.

Supercharger is belt driven, takes power to make power, easier to tune, cheaper

[97stanger]

Originally Posted by Cricket turbo is exhaust driven, is more efficient, and makes more power at same boost levels. Supercharger is belt driven, takes power to make power, easier to tune, cheaper

i know turbo is powered by wasted energy. and that the sc is powered by a belt. But with a sc it takes 10hp to generate 100 hp. so, ur at a gain of 90hp. Thats what this sc will produce. it was runing at 12 psi. does a supercharger keep me in my powerband at all times?? I know a turbo runs at certain rpms. I am thinking about doing the sc becasue of my budget.

[Cricket]

the 3.8L's powerband starts at about 3,000 rpms. So the only way to stay in the powerband is to shift where you get into the next gear you are at 3000 or higher.

Well what exactly is your budget? I may be able to help you out, if you really want to go the turbo route.

[97stanger]

Originally Posted by Cricket the 3.8L's powerband starts at about 3,000 rpms. So the only way to stay in the powerband is to shift where you get into the next gear you are at 3000 or higher. Well what exactly is your budget? I may be able to help you out, if you really want to go the turbo route.

The MAXIMUM that I can spend is $4,000.00. I have $3,000.00 right now, and am getting another 1,000.00 on tuesday. i would rather not have to spend that if I don't need to.

[g money]

Originally Posted by 97stanger i know turbo is powered by wasted energy. and that the sc is powered by a belt. But with a sc it takes 10hp to generate 100 hp. so, ur at a gain of 90hp. Thats what this sc will produce. it was runing at 12 psi. does a supercharger keep me in my powerband at all times?? I know a turbo runs at certain rpms. I am thinking about doing the sc becasue of my budget.

The supercharger produces boost based upon its own RPMs, which usually run about 2.5 times the engine speed. A roots-style supercharger (like an Eaton) produces boost most efficiently at middle RPMs, usually between 5500 and 8500ish (engine RPM 2200 to about 3400 maybe), whereas a centrifugal supercharger (Vortech and Procharger are both centifugal) is most efficient at higher speeds. So for racing, a centrifugal is best, but it is crap for daily-driving type driving.

Alternatively, you have three choices for turbo: single, parallel twin, or sequential twin. Parallel twin can go a number of ways, with big, high lag, high output turbines, or smaller, faster spooling turbines that end up restricting exhaust at higher ends. Sequential allows you to eliminate turbo lag while flattening the response curve nicely. It uses a small turbo to produce boost at lower engine speeds, and a larger turbo to produce big boost at high revs, while blowing off pressure from the smaller one to prevent restriction.

I still don't know how much boost to safely run in a stock 3.8L, however.

[97stanger]

Originally Posted by g money Originally Posted by 97stanger i know turbo is powered by wasted energy. and that the sc is powered by a belt. But with a sc it takes 10hp to generate 100 hp. so, ur at a gain of 90hp. Thats what this sc will produce. it was runing at 12 psi. does a supercharger keep me in my powerband at all times?? I know a turbo runs at certain rpms. I am thinking about doing the sc becasue of my budget. The supercharger produces boost based upon its own RPMs, which usually run about 2.5 times the engine speed. A roots-style supercharger (like an Eaton) produces boost most efficiently at middle RPMs, usually between 5500 and 8500ish (engine RPM 2200 to about 3400 maybe), whereas a centrifugal supercharger (Vortech and Procharger are both centifugal) is most efficient at higher speeds. So for racing, a centrifugal is best, but it is crap for daily-driving type driving. Alternatively, you have three choices for turbo: single, parallel twin, or sequential twin. Parallel twin can go a number of ways, with big, high lag, high output turbines, or smaller, faster spooling turbines that end up restricting exhaust at higher ends. Sequential allows you to eliminate turbo lag while flattening the response curve nicely. It uses a small turbo to produce boost at lower engine speeds, and a larger turbo to produce big boost at high revs, while blowing off pressure from the smaller one to prevent restriction. I still don't know how much boost to safely run in a stock 3.8L, however.

my mustang is a daily driver for now. I will be going with the Eaton M90. The guy thats giving it to me, said that the Supercoupe motors are EXACTLY the same. I will just need to fabricate a new bracket for the power steering pump. I believe he said power steering pump. He said that his was running 12Psi and he was dusting 5.0 and keeping up with the 4.6's.

[Cricket]

There is a lot more to the m90 than you think.

[g money]

The M90 is a good supercharger, it has a fairly nice low end performance, and isn't particularly parasitic.