[97stanger]

Originally Posted by 3.8Coastie for the best full rotating assembly it will cost you 1700.. that includes the rods. a procharger comes with the full kit... everything needed to install it and make it work.. for about 4 grand. then you will need to get a dyno tune after installing it. and dont forget about al the supporting mods, i.e. full exhaust, rear end, and such

im getting stoked about this. Where do you suggest I get the procharger and everything I need? I already have the 410 rear.

[Ninjawafers!]

theres different places that sell the procharger... just look around on the sites listed in the sticky... or just go to their website

[97stanger]

alright. thanks.

[itschristorres8]

a roots style blower isnt a good idea for our v6's either procharger or vortech like 3.8Coastie said. or a turbo

[Ninjawafers!]

i want a twin screw... give me a KENNE BELL!!! lol i just wish haha

[g money]

Originally Posted by itschristorres8 stop, there is a guy that used to be on here with the m90. its not a good mod. its a NIGHTMARE!! so many problems, parts, stress, headache, its nothing like you think...ohh i'll buy this and that and im gonna go fast that s/c wont push to much power out of it. infact, i think a power pak and bolt ons will push out more. the v6 is much better with a centri blower. DO NOT GET THE M90 unless your HIGHLY mechanically inclined, and even that its a pain in the ass IT IS IN NO WAY WORTH IT. the money for everything vs buying a new one... not only that say you do get all the parts. garuntee few rides later your internals will get shot, your gonna need a new rear end, pressure problems, tuning, timing. if you like seeing your car on jack stands or not working for awhile...then yea its a great mod

According to the performance map that Eaton provides, the M90 can produce 12psi in an engine redlining at 5500, assuming a 2.5:1 drive ratio. Furthermore, a roots-style should work fine on the 3.8 because its peak torque is nice and low so it has the power to drive the thing with. As to its reliability, I couldn't speak, never having run one or known anyone who has. And, yeah, I wouldn't run anywhere near 12psi in that engine without forged internals.

Superchargers are highly application specific, and I can't tell you what will or won't work for you. I am currently doing in depth research to decide if and what kind of forced induction is right for me, but, again, it is application specific, so you have to know what your needs are.

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by g money Originally Posted by itschristorres8 stop, there is a guy that used to be on here with the m90. its not a good mod. its a NIGHTMARE!! so many problems, parts, stress, headache, its nothing like you think...ohh i'll buy this and that and im gonna go fast that s/c wont push to much power out of it. infact, i think a power pak and bolt ons will push out more. the v6 is much better with a centri blower. DO NOT GET THE M90 unless your HIGHLY mechanically inclined, and even that its a pain in the ass IT IS IN NO WAY WORTH IT. the money for everything vs buying a new one... not only that say you do get all the parts. garuntee few rides later your internals will get shot, your gonna need a new rear end, pressure problems, tuning, timing. if you like seeing your car on jack stands or not working for awhile...then yea its a great mod According to the performance map that Eaton provides, the M90 can produce 12psi in an engine redlining at 5500, assuming a 2.5:1 drive ratio. Furthermore, a roots-style should work fine on the 3.8 because its peak torque is nice and low so it has the power to drive the thing with. As to its reliability, I couldn't speak, never having run one or known anyone who has. And, yeah, I wouldn't run anywhere near 12psi in that engine without forged internals. Superchargers are highly application specific, and I can't tell you what will or won't work for you. I am currently doing in depth research to decide if and what kind of forced induction is right for me, but, again, it is application specific, so you have to know what your needs are.

heres the difference between me and you

your reading...and i know

YES of course if you get forged internals and the MANY other parts it'll run nice. the guy on this site spent i forget how much on his car after like a year or 2 and its still not complete
he needs forged internals but has no money. makes about 300hp and spent WAY more then the cost of a procharger or turbo would cost which would have gave his car more power then that. he pretty much has replaced his entire engine(his headers still have some sort of problem), got a new tranny, and either he bouhgt a new rear or built it.

im not tryin to get you mad or be a dick
but spending $5-6k for 300hp
thats just retarded.
such as my buddy with a hatch,...paid $2k for the car, put $11k in the engine..just the engine..guess how much hp it has
250 to the wheels...the tq is embarrassing #. and he says yea but its light!...i say yea but i bet you run just low 14 maybe high 13s..
hes taking it next weekend to the track


DONT WASTE the money for it. point blank. your better off getting a power pak. the power is much more helpful in the top end, give you a better sounding exhaust and guess what...cost about $2k only is 4 parts!!! you can see 70-95hp and you most likely wont need new internals depending on miles really. a power pak and bolt ons, w/gears and t-lok i bet will beat a m90 car with just the m90 put on. and i bet it'll have a better sounding ehxaust

[Cricket]

You can't do a full powerpak if you keep with the m90...you can't use the upper intake manifold, and the supercharger since a roots style supercharger becomes your upper intake manifold.

[97stanger]

Originally Posted by itschristorres8 Originally Posted by g money Originally Posted by itschristorres8 stop, there is a guy that used to be on here with the m90. its not a good mod. its a NIGHTMARE!! so many problems, parts, stress, headache, its nothing like you think...ohh i'll buy this and that and im gonna go fast that s/c wont push to much power out of it. infact, i think a power pak and bolt ons will push out more. the v6 is much better with a centri blower. DO NOT GET THE M90 unless your HIGHLY mechanically inclined, and even that its a pain in the ass IT IS IN NO WAY WORTH IT. the money for everything vs buying a new one... not only that say you do get all the parts. garuntee few rides later your internals will get shot, your gonna need a new rear end, pressure problems, tuning, timing. if you like seeing your car on jack stands or not working for awhile...then yea its a great mod According to the performance map that Eaton provides, the M90 can produce 12psi in an engine redlining at 5500, assuming a 2.5:1 drive ratio. Furthermore, a roots-style should work fine on the 3.8 because its peak torque is nice and low so it has the power to drive the thing with. As to its reliability, I couldn't speak, never having run one or known anyone who has. And, yeah, I wouldn't run anywhere near 12psi in that engine without forged internals. Superchargers are highly application specific, and I can't tell you what will or won't work for you. I am currently doing in depth research to decide if and what kind of forced induction is right for me, but, again, it is application specific, so you have to know what your needs are. heres the difference between me and you your reading...and i know YES of course if you get forged internals and the MANY other parts it'll run nice. the guy on this site spent i forget how much on his car after like a year or 2 and its still not complete he needs forged internals but has no money. makes about 300hp and spent WAY more then the cost of a procharger or turbo would cost which would have gave his car more power then that. he pretty much has replaced his entire engine(his headers still have some sort of problem), got a new tranny, and either he bouhgt a new rear or built it. im not tryin to get you mad or be a dick but spending $5-6k for 300hp thats just retarded. such as my buddy with a hatch,...paid $2k for the car, put $11k in the engine..just the engine..guess how much hp it has 250 to the wheels...the tq is embarrassing #. and he says yea but its light!...i say yea but i bet you run just low 14 maybe high 13s.. hes taking it next weekend to the track DONT WASTE the money for it. point blank. your better off getting a power pak. the power is much more helpful in the top end, give you a better sounding exhaust and guess what...cost about $2k only is 4 parts!!! you can see 70-95hp and you most likely wont need new internals depending on miles really. a power pak and bolt ons, w/gears and t-lok i bet will beat a m90 car with just the m90 put on. and i bet it'll have a better sounding ehxaust

So, just the stage 2+ power pak? Forged Interals also?

[g money]

Originally Posted by itschristorres8 heres the difference between me and you your reading...and i know YES of course if you get forged internals and the MANY other parts it'll run nice. the guy on this site spent i forget how much on his car after like a year or 2 and its still not complete he needs forged internals but has no money. makes about 300hp and spent WAY more then the cost of a procharger or turbo would cost which would have gave his car more power then that. he pretty much has replaced his entire engine(his headers still have some sort of problem), got a new tranny, and either he bouhgt a new rear or built it. im not tryin to get you mad or be a dick but spending $5-6k for 300hp thats just retarded. such as my buddy with a hatch,...paid $2k for the car, put $11k in the engine..just the engine..guess how much hp it has 250 to the wheels...the tq is embarrassing #. and he says yea but its light!...i say yea but i bet you run just low 14 maybe high 13s.. hes taking it next weekend to the track DONT WASTE the money for it. point blank. your better off getting a power pak. the power is much more helpful in the top end, give you a better sounding exhaust and guess what...cost about $2k only is 4 parts!!! you can see 70-95hp and you most likely wont need new internals depending on miles really. a power pak and bolt ons, w/gears and t-lok i bet will beat a m90 car with just the m90 put on. and i bet it'll have a better sounding ehxaust

No, I understand, realistically, things don't always work out in real world like they do on paper. If the implementation is difficult to pull off, avoid it unless you really know what you're up to. I'm just trying to learn what may or may not work out here, and without having done something, it is hard to see a lot of the things that could go wrong. For example, when I was younger, my father and I decided to do an engine swap on our old Volkswagen hatchback. Once we got into it, the plan fell apart, and the damn thing is still sitting in the garage with an engine on the stand next to it.