[Dr. Fishtail]

Anybody running E85? I am running E85 through my supercharged Toyota and gained 35HP. Am wanting to do the same with my GT. Wondering what injectors would handle the 30% more fuel? Also need a MAF that will handle the flow. Thanks.

[LAWNDART02]

I have not done it yet, but I'm thinkin about it...

Check out this site:
Steve Shrader's "BrightMare" Mustang He's got a good E85 setup, although it is tough to find the info you need to build your setup correctly.

Also, if you're wanting to run a true flex-fuel, these guys have a fuel sensor kit that when combined with a FAST or BIGSTUFF3 managment system, can read and adjust for ANY combination of ethenol/gas in your tank:

White Racing Marine - *** NEW FOR 2009 -- E85 Systems for BIG HP INCREASE without Race Fuel *** - We are Your #1 Choice for Electronic Fuel Injection for Drag Racing. The finest aftermarket EFI Systems and Support money can buy. On Line assistance wi

From what I gather, you need to first decide where you expect to be power-wise with the combination if you where running gas (400hp), then increase your max output 40-50% (600hp) and use that new number to determine the size injectors and fuel delivery you will need with E85, as if you were making that power with gas..
Bigger injectors are always better to grow into, and you can compensate for them with the tune.

[Mustang Boy]

you also have to swap out your fuel lines because E85 is alcohol and deteriorates rubber so your rubber fuel lines wouldnt fair too well, also depending on the material of the fuel lines on your toyota id worry about those too

[Dr. Fishtail]

Originally Posted by LAWNDART02 I have not done it yet, but I'm thinkin about it... Check out this site: Steve Shrader's "BrightMare" Mustang He's got a good E85 setup, although it is tough to find the info you need to build your setup correctly. Also, if you're wanting to run a true flex-fuel, these guys have a fuel sensor kit that when combined with a FAST or BIGSTUFF3 managment system, can read and adjust for ANY combination of ethenol/gas in your tank: White Racing Marine - *** NEW FOR 2009 -- E85 Systems for BIG HP INCREASE without Race Fuel *** - We are Your #1 Choice for Electronic Fuel Injection for Drag Racing. The finest aftermarket EFI Systems and Support money can buy. On Line assistance wi From what I gather, you need to first decide where you expect to be power-wise with the combination if you where running gas (400hp), then increase your max output 40-50% (600hp) and use that new number to determine the size injectors and fuel delivery you will need with E85, as if you were making that power with gas.. Bigger injectors are always better to grow into, and you can compensate for them with the tune.

If I were you I would go for it. I am. Looking for a 9th injector. Do you know of one? Here in the Texas heat of summer the cooling of the ethanol gives great benefits of cooling the intake charge. Also you can buy one of those sensors OR just tune for it. I have not had anything in my tank other than E85 for the last year. This is in my Toyota. I want to convert it to my Mustang.

Originally Posted by Mustang Boy you also have to swap out your fuel lines because E85 is alcohol and deteriorates rubber so your rubber fuel lines wouldnt fair too well, also depending on the material of the fuel lines on your toyota id worry about those too

Depends on what year mustang that you have. Car companies have been equipping autos with fuel systems to handle ethanol for sometime now. I just do know what year. I have new fuel lines for my Mustang in the garage. Here in Dallas E85 is around .40-.45 cents cheaper than 93 octane and has a 105 octane in the summer. I love it.

[LAWNDART02]

I figured out the cost vs. 93premium and for the miles I drive (600/week) it would only cost me $20 more a month for E85 (plus more frequent stops of course).
It's like renting an extra 50rhp for $20...

I believe the 01+ Mustang fuel system is compatable with E85, just the programing and delivery need to be addressed.

[LAWNDART02]

On that link above there are links to other peoples E85 stangs. There are even some foxes in there. I would contact an expert and get the answers you need about fuel line compatability. Most of the corrosion issues where based on Cork-based materials and a different blend of aclhy/ethen that was used in the past (< 80's). I'm bettin your lines will be fine.

Also, I don't think you need a bigger/different MAF for E85, unless you are going for MAX Power (16+psi) If you are just talking about converting a street car, the MAF that would be best suited for your boost level should also work with the E85. Injectors and pump on the other hand would need to be improved.

[LAWNDART02]

One last thing to think about-
Unless you have a built bottom end, you are not gonna want to exceed 400-450hp with the GT. Yes, the extra Octane gets you the ability to tune for more power over/ gas, but the stock rotating assy will fail before you can capitalize on it.
You can get 400rhp all day long with pump gas and a S/C.

I'm planning on running less boost with a flex setup; safer power (380-400) DD when on gas, but throw in some corn juice at the track and have 425-450 for the day w/o a retune or anything...
Sounds like what you are getting at with the cooled charge temps where you live.

Plus, E85 is just wicked...
When the motor goes, you can re-build it for big power and have the E85 already in place.

[Dr. Fishtail]

Originally Posted by LAWNDART02 I figured out the cost vs. 93premium and for the miles I drive (600/week) it would only cost me $20 more a month for E85 (plus more frequent stops of course). It's like renting an extra 50rhp for $20... I believe the 01+ Mustang fuel system is compatable with E85, just the programing and delivery need to be addressed.

LOL. Exactly. With the 6 cyl. we get anywhere from 30-40 HP. That is S/C. Turbo'd will get ya a lot more!!

Originally Posted by LAWNDART02 On that link above there are links to other peoples E85 stangs. There are even some foxes in there. I would contact an expert and get the answers you need about fuel line compatability. Most of the corrosion issues where based on Cork-based materials and a different blend of aclhy/ethen that was used in the past (< 80's). I'm bettin your lines will be fine. Also, I don't think you need a bigger/different MAF for E85, unless you are going for MAX Power (16+psi) If you are just talking about converting a street car, the MAF that would be best suited for your boost level should also work with the E85. Injectors and pump on the other hand would need to be improved.

I did not have to swap out my MAF sensor when I went to E85 with my Toyota so u are correct. I will be changing out my fuel lines with some from Summit.

Originally Posted by LAWNDART02 One last thing to think about- Unless you have a built bottom end, you are not gonna want to exceed 400-450hp with the GT. Yes, the extra Octane gets you the ability to tune for more power over/ gas, but the stock rotating assy will fail before you can capitalize on it. You can get 400rhp all day long with pump gas and a S/C. I'm planning on running less boost with a flex setup; safer power (380-400) DD when on gas, but throw in some corn juice at the track and have 425-450 for the day w/o a retune or anything... Sounds like what you are getting at with the cooled charge temps where you live. Plus, E85 is just wicked... When the motor goes, you can re-build it for big power and have the E85 already in place.

How much HP do the V8s gain using E85??? And I have a built motor. Running a 1988 block in my 95 GT.

[LAWNDART02]

Check out this site to:
E85 Vehicles
Tons of info there..

Basically, the E85 tune will net you 10-15% more rwhp, compared to what the motor does on gas.

If you are getting 375 at the wheels with the S/C, expect to gain ~40rhp with the E85 tune.
If you have 450 on gas, gain ~45-50rhp

The guys that benefit the most are the ones with dedicated track cars that usually run big numbers on TurboBlue (105oct.)
For them, the fuel cost becomes economical again. Instead of paying $7/gal for fuel, they can pay $2.50/gal and actually take the car out on the street for a cruise.

My favorite part of all this is that you are using a "green" technology to get more from the all-out combustion in your mill. I'm sure the tree huggers did not have us in mind, but it's freakin hilarious that we can use it to make ridiculous power in our hot rods.

[Trick Tuners]

E85 is great, but remember you need to upsize your injectors and fuel pump by about 40% to equal the same capacity as gas. You also need to factor in that you use about 40% more E85 than gas. so factor that into the price of e85. If i had e85 at all the pumps around me i would run it.

[y2k02]

Modularfords.com has a E85 section with lots of good info.

[LAWNDART02]

Originally Posted by y2k02 Modularfords.com has a E85 section with lots of good info.

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