Okay So The Truth About Superchargers Comes Out

NottyBoy93 · April 7th, 2007, 03:10 PM

Based on principles of compression....Not personalities this is how it should be.

Leaving the Roots totally out of the question as there is no arguing the enormous amount of heat they produce which is what drove the modified roots or twin screw into development in the first place.

Twin Screw=Larger surface area, large amount of frictional heat produced along with a fixed volume which limits the blowers ability to move air as efficiently thus producing quite a bit of parasitic heat. The upside is the limited reliance upon high rotor speeds to produce positive displacement.

Centrifugal Blowers offer an advantage on a couple of fronts. Number one there is no fixed volume due to the Volute shape, they are only limited by sizing and impeller speed, now true that very high impeller speeds produce an enormous amount of heat (frictional coefficient of air is factor) the advantage is that with the open impeller, there exists an abundance of pressure drop across the vanes, and then velocity conversion via the volute blower body.

Thare also exists the probability that within all of these factors a lot of ambient moisture is evaporated thus decreasing charge air that much more.

All this taken into consideration just getting into the minimalist approach to thermodynamics it is actually a conceptual fact that a centrifugal compressor should produce less charge air heat than the twin screw typ compressor.

Now that I have had my fun with those two guy's, I do not want any misinformation out there, not with my name attatched to it and I apologize for the garbage slinging that had to be endured for me to prove a point and bully. Next time I will be a little nicer.

bransdaman78 · April 7th, 2007, 06:23 PM

, that wasnt so hard. GJ

Racinjason81 · April 8th, 2007, 12:28 AM

Hate to say it but a turbo will always outpower a S/C

bransdaman78 · April 8th, 2007, 12:45 AM

yea thats true, but it doesnt really matter - bc both systems can reach power extremes that for our purposes make the differences insignificant

MeZ · April 8th, 2007, 12:54 AM

Look man .. I appreciate the discussion .. I'm on here to learn as much as I preach .. you confronting my traint of thought caused me to really go behind and scenes and find the truth ...

Good arguments yeild good outcomes ... I am not here to bullshit .. I really do love to learn considering I have been the owner of a Chevy Silverado Show Truck on Nitrous most of my adult life ... having these forums is a great way to talk with guys who now own the same type of car I do .. a mustang ...

itschristorres8 · April 8th, 2007, 12:54 AM

turbo will always outpower a s/c but you can get in to 9s and 8's with blowers...and even 7s i believe in the 1/4
both make an EXTREME amount of power...unless you going for the record then either option is a good option

record that i know of is the blacka nd green mustang TT'ed 6.66 in the 1/4
yea bad number huh

MeZ · April 8th, 2007, 01:28 AM

Thanks V6 man !!!!

NottyBoy93 · April 8th, 2007, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by MeZ

Look man .. I appreciate the discussion .. I'm on here to learn as much as I preach .. you confronting my traint of thought caused me to really go behind and scenes and find the truth ...

Good arguments yeild good outcomes ... I am not here to bullshit .. I really do love to learn considering I have been the owner of a Chevy Silverado Show Truck on Nitrous most of my adult life ... having these forums is a great way to talk with guys who now own the same type of car I do .. a mustang ...

I agree. That's why I apologized for being such an ass. Now maybe we can put our heads together and have a little fun.

bransdaman78 · April 8th, 2007, 12:17 PM

MeZ · April 8th, 2007, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by bransdaman78

:homo

NottyBoy93 · April 8th, 2007, 02:43 PM

LMAO

itschristorres8 · April 8th, 2007, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by MeZ

Thanks V6 man !!!!

what the fuck does that have to do with knowledge...just shows your an idiot.. and simple minded as well as ignorant...dumbass

bransdaman78 · April 8th, 2007, 08:02 PM

DanishStallion · April 8th, 2007, 08:33 PM

sits back with a cold beer and popcorn..

keep it going

MeZ · April 8th, 2007, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by itschristorres8

Originally Posted by MeZ

Thanks V6 man !!!!

what the fuck does that have to do with knowledge...just shows your an idiot.. and simple minded as well as ignorant...dumbass

Don't make me come over there and

you for that dirty mouth young man !!!!

Look I'm sorry for making fun of your lack of 2 cylinders :wink ... but I never said anything about turbo's or superchargers .. and I don't think this post concerned turbo's period .. so I

what you are getting upset about .. be why can't we all just be friends .. me and nottyboy get along fine now .. if that can happen .. anything can

USA USA

homebrewed · April 8th, 2007, 11:03 PM

I'll be here to interject every so often... Other than that...

*kicks back with a 6er of Corona and a bag of limes*

MeZ · April 8th, 2007, 11:06 PM

Better make it a case boss .. I'm down for some corona ..

NottyBoy93 · April 8th, 2007, 11:07 PM

lol. Imagine, I start a thread to make peace with a couple of guy's I was shitty to, just when we have things all worked out just fine, somebody wants to jump in the pit and stir up shit.lol

Honestly itschris, I appreciate your input as wel we probably all do, but this thread was not started to argue about blowers or tubos being the better match. If you don't keep on topic, it seems to stand peoples hair up. I think that is the point MeZ was aiming at. Let's re-focus...we are supposed to be having fun.

MeZ · April 8th, 2007, 11:08 PM

well said my friend ...

lol

( I think I'm having a bit too much fun )

NottyBoy93 · April 8th, 2007, 11:10 PM

I know can you f****** believe, me playing Mr. Mod....it's like the lunatics running the asylum..lmao

April 7th, 2007, 03:10 PM	#1
NottyBoy93 Regular 1993 Notch, 1988 Notch Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Location, Location Posts: 156 iTrader: 0 reviews	Okay So The Truth About Superchargers Comes Out Based on principles of compression....Not personalities this is how it should be. Leaving the Roots totally out of the question as there is no arguing the enormous amount of heat they produce which is what drove the modified roots or twin screw into development in the first place. Twin Screw=Larger surface area, large amount of frictional heat produced along with a fixed volume which limits the blowers ability to move air as efficiently thus producing quite a bit of parasitic heat. The upside is the limited reliance upon high rotor speeds to produce positive displacement. Centrifugal Blowers offer an advantage on a couple of fronts. Number one there is no fixed volume due to the Volute shape, they are only limited by sizing and impeller speed, now true that very high impeller speeds produce an enormous amount of heat (frictional coefficient of air is factor) the advantage is that with the open impeller, there exists an abundance of pressure drop across the vanes, and then velocity conversion via the volute blower body. Thare also exists the probability that within all of these factors a lot of ambient moisture is evaporated thus decreasing charge air that much more. All this taken into consideration just getting into the minimalist approach to thermodynamics it is actually a conceptual fact that a centrifugal compressor should produce less charge air heat than the twin screw typ compressor. Now that I have had my fun with those two guy's, I do not want any misinformation out there, not with my name attatched to it and I apologize for the garbage slinging that had to be endured for me to prove a point and bully. Next time I will be a little nicer.

April 8th, 2007, 12:28 AM	#3
Racinjason81 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New jersey Posts: 1,559 iTrader: 0 reviews	Hate to say it but a turbo will always outpower a S/C __________________ Heres a real funny video youtube.com/watch?v=ojB7KkaR03I VTEC stands for Very Torqueless Economy Car Honda stands for Hold On Not Done Accelerating 1991 LX 5.0 H/B(T-70 turbo coming soon)

April 8th, 2007, 12:45 AM	#4
bransdaman78 Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 450 iTrader: 0 reviews	yea thats true, but it doesnt really matter - bc both systems can reach power extremes that for our purposes make the differences insignificant __________________ 03 GT leather seats for sale or trade for racing seats, Looking to buy: subframes, tower braces, control arms, bypass/BOV, 42# injectors & MAF Trade/ Sell Predator 4 SCT (wrong part of the country)

April 8th, 2007, 12:54 AM	#6
itschristorres8 Banned 00 V6 & 09 GT 13.37@104.4mph--BONE stock GT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: south florida Posts: 15,806 iTrader: 2 reviews	turbo will always outpower a s/c but you can get in to 9s and 8's with blowers...and even 7s i believe in the 1/4 both make an EXTREME amount of power...unless you going for the record then either option is a good option record that i know of is the blacka nd green mustang TT'ed 6.66 in the 1/4 yea bad number huh __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Acmillr loves me

April 8th, 2007, 08:33 PM	#14
DanishStallion Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 670 iTrader: 0 reviews	sits back with a cold beer and popcorn.. keep it going __________________ www.irmfclub.com

April 7th, 2007, 06:23 PM	#2
bransdaman78 Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 450 iTrader: 0 reviews	, that wasnt so hard. GJ

April 8th, 2007, 12:54 AM	#5
MeZ Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Concord, North Carolina Posts: 966 iTrader: 0 reviews	Look man .. I appreciate the discussion .. I'm on here to learn as much as I preach .. you confronting my traint of thought caused me to really go behind and scenes and find the truth ... Good arguments yeild good outcomes ... I am not here to bullshit .. I really do love to learn considering I have been the owner of a Chevy Silverado Show Truck on Nitrous most of my adult life ... having these forums is a great way to talk with guys who now own the same type of car I do .. a mustang ...

April 8th, 2007, 01:28 AM	#7
MeZ Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Concord, North Carolina Posts: 966 iTrader: 0 reviews	Thanks V6 man !!!!

April 8th, 2007, 12:17 PM	#9
bransdaman78 Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 450 iTrader: 0 reviews

April 8th, 2007, 02:43 PM	#11
NottyBoy93 Regular 1993 Notch, 1988 Notch Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Location, Location Posts: 156 iTrader: 0 reviews	LMAO

April 8th, 2007, 08:02 PM	#13
bransdaman78 Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 450 iTrader: 0 reviews

April 8th, 2007, 11:06 PM	#17
MeZ Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Concord, North Carolina Posts: 966 iTrader: 0 reviews	Better make it a case boss .. I'm down for some corona .. __________________ Car For Sale on Autotrader.com 04 Silver GT 32K Miles Parts 4 Sale: 18" Wheels SSR GT3 replicas w/ tires Steeda Tri-Ax 10lb N20 Bottle w. gauge (2) Kirkey Racing Seats w/ RCI 5 Pt. belts Steeda & Momo shift knobs SB GT Spoiler

April 8th, 2007, 11:07 PM	#18
NottyBoy93 Regular 1993 Notch, 1988 Notch Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Location, Location Posts: 156 iTrader: 0 reviews	lol. Imagine, I start a thread to make peace with a couple of guy's I was shitty to, just when we have things all worked out just fine, somebody wants to jump in the pit and stir up shit.lol Honestly itschris, I appreciate your input as wel we probably all do, but this thread was not started to argue about blowers or tubos being the better match. If you don't keep on topic, it seems to stand peoples hair up. I think that is the point MeZ was aiming at. Let's re-focus...we are supposed to be having fun.

April 8th, 2007, 11:08 PM	#19
MeZ Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Concord, North Carolina Posts: 966 iTrader: 0 reviews	well said my friend ... lol ( I think I'm having a bit too much fun ) __________________ Car For Sale on Autotrader.com 04 Silver GT 32K Miles Parts 4 Sale: 18" Wheels SSR GT3 replicas w/ tires Steeda Tri-Ax 10lb N20 Bottle w. gauge (2) Kirkey Racing Seats w/ RCI 5 Pt. belts Steeda & Momo shift knobs SB GT Spoiler

April 8th, 2007, 11:10 PM	#20
NottyBoy93 Regular 1993 Notch, 1988 Notch Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Location, Location Posts: 156 iTrader: 0 reviews	I know can you f****** believe, me playing Mr. Mod....it's like the lunatics running the asylum..lmao

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