[dcrow]

i have bbk long tubes in my bullitt and they actually sit below the sub frame connectors and my car is lowered so that makes it even worse.

[Blk01ponyGT]

Originally Posted by Timm10221 Originally Posted by Blk01ponyGT yeah ive got frrp c-springs....they dont lower half as much as alot of other springs tho only 1.5 in the front and 1 in the back....speed bumps in NC are a bitch Would that be Jax NC???? I live there and i feel ya... they are to high! like i would say 10" bumps at least

nah actually im up in raleigh..but im sure its about the same

[02StangGToWNEr]

Originally Posted by neckbonekat Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by silvergtstang99 lol shorties? if youre gonna go through the PITA install of headers, might as well go longtubes. Just go through the speedbumps at a good angle and very slow, thats the only advice i can give man. good luck.... Whats wrong with Shorties??? They are better for Acceleration, because they give you more TQ. LT's are only better imo, if your looking for going all out up top. Because the benefits of most short tube headers are gone after you launch. That is where they help out most.

Even still though, unless your going all out to make race car or track car, then LT's are not needed, as Shorty's or Mids would suit you better imo. Power up top isn't needed on the streets, especially if you live in a very busy area such as I do. Oh well.

[mustangmanic]

LT's also sound a hell of a lot better though. If you want the deep extremely aggressive tone then LT's are really you're only choice.

Sure you could get a deep tone with shorties, but LT's will always sound deeper and better IMO

[02StangGToWNEr]

Originally Posted by mustangmanic LT's also sound a hell of a lot better though. If you want the deep extremely aggressive tone then LT's are really you're only choice. Sure you could get a deep tone with shorties, but LT's will always sound deeper and better IMO

Thats amazing, considering I have heard both, and they sound about the same, other than different tones from different brands. LT's may be a little bit louder in higher Rpms, but not enough to give a shit about it imo, because it's not noticable enough. It's simple LT's for more Hp, and Shorties for more Tq, or just get Mids if you want a balance of both.

[00SlvrStang]

Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by neckbonekat Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by silvergtstang99 lol shorties? if youre gonna go through the PITA install of headers, might as well go longtubes. Just go through the speedbumps at a good angle and very slow, thats the only advice i can give man. good luck.... Whats wrong with Shorties??? They are better for Acceleration, because they give you more TQ. LT's are only better imo, if your looking for going all out up top. Because the benefits of most short tube headers are gone after you launch. That is where they help out most. Even still though, unless your going all out to make race car or track car, then LT's are not needed, as Shorty's or Mids would suit you better imo. Power up top isn't needed on the streets, especially if you live in a very busy area such as I do. Oh well.

personally i would rather have more top end for street driving. i dont know about you but I don't do 4000 rpm launches at every red light.

[mustangmanic]

+1 top end would be classified 4.5k-6k, when you're racing your rpm's are there most of the time

[neckbonekat]

Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by mustangmanic LT's also sound a hell of a lot better though. If you want the deep extremely aggressive tone then LT's are really you're only choice. Sure you could get a deep tone with shorties, but LT's will always sound deeper and better IMO Thats amazing, considering I have heard both, and they sound about the same, other than different tones from different brands. LT's may be a little bit louder in higher Rpms, but not enough to give a shit about it imo, because it's not noticable enough. It's simple LT's for more Hp, and Shorties for more Tq, or just get Mids if you want a balance of both.

You guys aren't going to be able to convince him of anything. Because that is the set up he chose it will always be the best set up ever.

[02StangGToWNEr]

Originally Posted by neckbonekat Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by mustangmanic LT's also sound a hell of a lot better though. If you want the deep extremely aggressive tone then LT's are really you're only choice. Sure you could get a deep tone with shorties, but LT's will always sound deeper and better IMO Thats amazing, considering I have heard both, and they sound about the same, other than different tones from different brands. LT's may be a little bit louder in higher Rpms, but not enough to give a shit about it imo, because it's not noticable enough. It's simple LT's for more Hp, and Shorties for more Tq, or just get Mids if you want a balance of both. You guys aren't going to be able to convince him of anything. Because that is the set up he chose it will always be the best set up ever.

I don't have headers yet you fuckin dumbass. Get a life besides the internet dipshit.

[02StangGToWNEr]

Originally Posted by 00SlvrStang Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by neckbonekat Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by silvergtstang99 lol shorties? if youre gonna go through the PITA install of headers, might as well go longtubes. Just go through the speedbumps at a good angle and very slow, thats the only advice i can give man. good luck.... Whats wrong with Shorties??? They are better for Acceleration, because they give you more TQ. LT's are only better imo, if your looking for going all out up top. Because the benefits of most short tube headers are gone after you launch. That is where they help out most. Even still though, unless your going all out to make race car or track car, then LT's are not needed, as Shorty's or Mids would suit you better imo. Power up top isn't needed on the streets, especially if you live in a very busy area such as I do. Oh well. personally i would rather have more top end for street driving. i dont know about you but I don't do 4000 rpm launches at every red light.

Hp is more for speed, Tq is more for acceleration, and if you have enough Tq, then the HP numbers won't matter much doing light to light. On the highway it would be a different story. Either way the difference in Hp & Tq numbers between the different sizes, are not dramatic enough to worry about which size to get. Get whatever you want, but if you already have an exhaust set-up, then why spend extra money to change it just because of headers. It's like buying a TB Spacer, the few extra horses are not worth the extra cash. So just buy whatever you like, want, or feel is needed for your particular set-up, and what your plans for your car are, as in what direction you plan on going. I mean LT's have advantages & disadvantages, and the same goes for Midlength and Shorty's. I just get sick of seeing people telling anyone who want's Shorty's or Mids, that you need to get LT's to see any gains, sound etc..., because that's bullshit. You can see gains from all the sizes, and like I said whatever you choose, there will be advantages & disadvantages, but nothing dramatic enough to worry about which size to get. Thats why you buy whatever fits your needs & wants, not the needs & wants of others.

[MeZ]

Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by 00SlvrStang Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by neckbonekat Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by silvergtstang99 lol shorties? if youre gonna go through the PITA install of headers, might as well go longtubes. Just go through the speedbumps at a good angle and very slow, thats the only advice i can give man. good luck.... Whats wrong with Shorties??? They are better for Acceleration, because they give you more TQ. LT's are only better imo, if your looking for going all out up top. Because the benefits of most short tube headers are gone after you launch. That is where they help out most. Even still though, unless your going all out to make race car or track car, then LT's are not needed, as Shorty's or Mids would suit you better imo. Power up top isn't needed on the streets, especially if you live in a very busy area such as I do. Oh well. personally i would rather have more top end for street driving. i dont know about you but I don't do 4000 rpm launches at every red light. Hp is more for speed, Tq is more for acceleration, and if you have enough Tq, then the HP numbers won't matter much doing light to light. On the highway it would be a different story. Either way the difference in Hp & Tq numbers between the different sizes, are not dramatic enough to worry about which size to get. Get whatever you want, but if you already have an exhaust set-up, then why spend extra money to change it just because of headers. It's like buying a TB Spacer, the few extra horses are not worth the extra cash. So just buy whatever you like, want, or feel is needed for your particular set-up, and what your plans for your car are, as in what direction you plan on going. I mean LT's have advantages & disadvantages, and the same goes for Midlength and Shorty's. I just get sick of seeing people telling anyone who want's Shorty's or Mids, that you need to get LT's to see any gains, sound etc..., because that's bullshit. You can see gains from all the sizes, and like I said whatever you choose, there will be advantages & disadvantages, but nothing dramatic enough to worry about which size to get. Thats why you buy whatever fits your needs & wants, not the needs & wants of others.

I've come to realize you're a guy that reads everything on the internet and thinks you're God's gift to the mustang community ....

The simple fact is .. if you're gonna take time and money to change out your headers from stock manifolds .. you might as well put long tubes in .. they aren't going to hurt you ... the only thing that would really hurt you on a car that is NA 281 2v is running open headers wtih no supporting exhaust mods ..

If you want to post just for the sake of posting then go open up your own forum .. all you do in here is cause threads to go to 18 pages b.c you chime in just to see yourself type ..

I live in NC too and speed humps and speed bumps do suck around here for some odd reason .. you're going to scrape sometimes no matter what you do .. but if you learn how to drive .. you'll be ok .. just take everything at a severe angle and go slow .. you'll be fine .. we all run lts down here and have never ripped or pulled anything off ..
Good Luck

[00SlvrStang]

As you make more power eventually your shorties are only going to restrict you and you will need LT's. Unless you plan on just doing the basic bolt on's then get LT's, you will need them eventually.

[02StangGToWNEr]

Originally Posted by MeZ Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by 00SlvrStang Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by neckbonekat Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by silvergtstang99 lol shorties? if youre gonna go through the PITA install of headers, might as well go longtubes. Just go through the speedbumps at a good angle and very slow, thats the only advice i can give man. good luck.... Whats wrong with Shorties??? They are better for Acceleration, because they give you more TQ. LT's are only better imo, if your looking for going all out up top. Because the benefits of most short tube headers are gone after you launch. That is where they help out most. Even still though, unless your going all out to make race car or track car, then LT's are not needed, as Shorty's or Mids would suit you better imo. Power up top isn't needed on the streets, especially if you live in a very busy area such as I do. Oh well. personally i would rather have more top end for street driving. i dont know about you but I don't do 4000 rpm launches at every red light. Hp is more for speed, Tq is more for acceleration, and if you have enough Tq, then the HP numbers won't matter much doing light to light. On the highway it would be a different story. Either way the difference in Hp & Tq numbers between the different sizes, are not dramatic enough to worry about which size to get. Get whatever you want, but if you already have an exhaust set-up, then why spend extra money to change it just because of headers. It's like buying a TB Spacer, the few extra horses are not worth the extra cash. So just buy whatever you like, want, or feel is needed for your particular set-up, and what your plans for your car are, as in what direction you plan on going. I mean LT's have advantages & disadvantages, and the same goes for Midlength and Shorty's. I just get sick of seeing people telling anyone who want's Shorty's or Mids, that you need to get LT's to see any gains, sound etc..., because that's bullshit. You can see gains from all the sizes, and like I said whatever you choose, there will be advantages & disadvantages, but nothing dramatic enough to worry about which size to get. Thats why you buy whatever fits your needs & wants, not the needs & wants of others. I've come to realize you're a guy that reads everything on the internet and thinks you're God's gift to the mustang community .... The simple fact is .. if you're gonna take time and money to change out your headers from stock manifolds .. you might as well put long tubes in .. they aren't going to hurt you ... the only thing that would really hurt you on a car that is NA 281 2v is running open headers wtih no supporting exhaust mods .. If you want to post just for the sake of posting then go open up your own forum .. all you do in here is cause threads to go to 18 pages b.c you chime in just to see yourself type .. I live in NC too and speed humps and speed bumps do suck around here for some odd reason .. you're going to scrape sometimes no matter what you do .. but if you learn how to drive .. you'll be ok .. just take everything at a severe angle and go slow .. you'll be fine .. we all run lts down here and have never ripped or pulled anything off .. Good Luck

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[02StangGToWNEr]

Originally Posted by 00SlvrStang As you make more power eventually your shorties are only going to restrict you and you will need LT's. Unless you plan on just doing the basic bolt on's then get LT's, you will need them eventually.

Tell me why you would need them??? I have seen plenty of Mustangs, including 5.0's & 4.6's that are bulit for racing, and have 600-700Hp, and haven't had to change to LT's. And I don't know many people that plan on making much more Hp then that, especially on here, because most people seem to be looking for 500-600Hp. So I don't understand why you say they are needed??

[TheBusher]

Originally Posted by silvergtstang99 lol shorties? if youre gonna go through the PITA install of headers, might as well go longtubes. Just go through the speedbumps at a good angle and very slow, thats the only advice i can give man. good luck....

Or if you go fast enough your suspension won't have time to squat!

[02StangGToWNEr]

Originally Posted by TheBusher Originally Posted by silvergtstang99 lol shorties? if youre gonna go through the PITA install of headers, might as well go longtubes. Just go through the speedbumps at a good angle and very slow, thats the only advice i can give man. good luck.... Or if you go fast enough your suspension won't have time to squat!

Good luck with that. I can just imagine the damages you would have.

[neckbonekat]

Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by neckbonekat Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by mustangmanic LT's also sound a hell of a lot better though. If you want the deep extremely aggressive tone then LT's are really you're only choice. Sure you could get a deep tone with shorties, but LT's will always sound deeper and better IMO Thats amazing, considering I have heard both, and they sound about the same, other than different tones from different brands. LT's may be a little bit louder in higher Rpms, but not enough to give a shit about it imo, because it's not noticable enough. It's simple LT's for more Hp, and Shorties for more Tq, or just get Mids if you want a balance of both. You guys aren't going to be able to convince him of anything. Because that is the set up he chose it will always be the best set up ever. I don't have headers yet you fuckin dumbass. Get a life besides the internet dipshit.

My other hobby is f*cking your mother Timmy!

[mustangmanic]

Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by neckbonekat Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by mustangmanic LT's also sound a hell of a lot better though. If you want the deep extremely aggressive tone then LT's are really you're only choice. Sure you could get a deep tone with shorties, but LT's will always sound deeper and better IMO Thats amazing, considering I have heard both, and they sound about the same, other than different tones from different brands. LT's may be a little bit louder in higher Rpms, but not enough to give a shit about it imo, because it's not noticable enough. It's simple LT's for more Hp, and Shorties for more Tq, or just get Mids if you want a balance of both. You guys aren't going to be able to convince him of anything. Because that is the set up he chose it will always be the best set up ever. I don't have headers yet you fuckin dumbass. Get a life besides the internet dipshit.

Whats your problem broseph? We're trying to helping you out. If you dont like our suggestions find some other forum where ppl will will put up with ur bullshit.

You should get a life besides insulting ppl trying to help you OVER THE INTERNET.

This website is made to help ppl on solving problems, decisions, etc... and you're being an asshole to someone just trying to help.

I'm only 18yrs old, but it seems that you run across men sometimes that are less mature than a selfish, IMMATURE, hotheaded teenager. Thats really sad...

[neckbonekat]

Originally Posted by mustangmanic Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by neckbonekat Originally Posted by 02StangGToWNEr Originally Posted by mustangmanic LT's also sound a hell of a lot better though. If you want the deep extremely aggressive tone then LT's are really you're only choice. Sure you could get a deep tone with shorties, but LT's will always sound deeper and better IMO Thats amazing, considering I have heard both, and they sound about the same, other than different tones from different brands. LT's may be a little bit louder in higher Rpms, but not enough to give a shit about it imo, because it's not noticable enough. It's simple LT's for more Hp, and Shorties for more Tq, or just get Mids if you want a balance of both. You guys aren't going to be able to convince him of anything. Because that is the set up he chose it will always be the best set up ever. I don't have headers yet you fuckin dumbass. Get a life besides the internet dipshit. Whats your problem broseph? We're trying to helping you out. If you dont like our suggestions find some other forum where ppl will will put up with ur bullshit. You should get a life besides insulting ppl trying to help you OVER THE INTERNET. This website is made to help ppl on solving problems, decisions, etc... and you're being an asshole to someone just trying to help. I'm only 18yrs old, but it seems that you run across men sometimes that are less mature than a selfish, IMMATURE, hotheaded teenager. Thats really sad...

I was only kidding when I wrote that (notice the laughing icons) but when you're on that level I guess all you can do is call names. I agree, sad. I think Mez hit the nail on the head on this one.

[mustangmanic]

So 02Stang...

heres my suggestion to the guy!

Get longtubes, its well worth it. Even in 1st gear you'll benefit (mildly). I swear you'll regret shorties man. Yes shorties will benefit TQ better than LT's will but... lets say theres 2 stock auto (to elimanate a driver mod) gt's, but one has shorties and the other has LT's... If they race a 1/4 mile the LT gt will always win... Its top end power vs top end tq....

now we all know that the gt's stop producing top tq much much earlier than they stop producing top hp... and when going fast, your rpm's are gonna be up there a lot. so why not go with LT's

now dont bash me on my opinion please . Remember its only my opinion...