New Edge or 2005?

dschack · March 27th, 2009, 01:39 PM

Starting to get serious about looking for a GT. I can find new edge gts for about 8-9k but for 13-15k i could get a 2005, either way itll be manual. What are some pros and cons of each one? which has more horses? and what are the first couple mods you guys would do to each one. im looking to upgrade from my sixxer

Eagle2000GT · March 27th, 2009, 02:04 PM

There are huge differences between the new edge and an '05 that go a lot deeper than cosmetics. The '05 motor has 3-valves per cylinder and variable timing. The new edge GT has 2-valves per cylinder and no variable timing. Because of this the '05 is rated at 300 hp while the new edge is 260. With power adders the '05 can safely make more horsepower than the new edge. It has a better transmission than most new edges and a better suspension. It also weighs more.

A couple of years ago I almost traded my new edge for an '05. They wanted my car plus $13k. I chose instead to keep my car and buy a supercharger. So for the same price as a stock '05, I now have a car that will outperform a stock '05.

leebunnyz · March 27th, 2009, 04:21 PM

s197 is better for modding, and handles a crap load better! why not look into a mach 1...has the looks of the new edge, but performs better in straightline then the S197

ModMustang97GT · March 27th, 2009, 04:49 PM

It all comes down to looks. What do you want. Because the handling and power difference can be made up for in about the same of less money than the cost difference between the two. ported heads and cams will get you above the power of the 05' in a new edge.
The 05 is stiffer and doesn't require subframe connectors like the new edge do. but the 05 is several hundred pounds heavier and lesss comfortable IMO.
The 05 comes with a pan hard bar, a large handling improvement, but you can get one for your new edge for $300.

You are paying more money to have the stuff already fixed for you. But you inheritother problems. Like the variable cam timing ruining your after market cams. You have to get phasers or super weak cams so your variable timing does cause you to have PTV issues.

There are a whole list of other things that are different. Buy the one that you like the looks of, and like the comfort of. I know of a whole list of things better in the 05's than the new edge, but the new edge also cost a decent list of mods different.

leebunnyz · March 27th, 2009, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by ModMustang97GT

It all comes down to looks. What do you want. Because the handling and power difference can be made up for in about the same of less money than the cost difference between the two. ported heads and cams will get you above the power of the 05' in a new edge.
The 05 is stiffer and doesn't require subframe connectors like the new edge do. but the 05 is several hundred pounds heavier and lesss comfortable IMO.
The 05 comes with a pan hard bar, a large handling improvement, but you can get one for your new edge for $300.

You are paying more money to have the stuff already fixed for you. But you inheritother problems.[B] Like the variable cam timing ruining your after market cams. You have to get phasers or super weak cams so your variable timing does cause you to have PTV issues.[/B]

There are a whole list of other things that are different. Buy the one that you like the looks of, and like the comfort of. I know of a whole list of things better in the 05's than the new edge, but the new edge also cost a decent list of mods different.

lol what?

leebunnyz · March 27th, 2009, 06:10 PM

my cams can net up to 30whp with no springs, retainers, and i didnt need any phase limiters? thats weak?

Fluffy The Rhino · March 27th, 2009, 08:28 PM

My vote is biased : )

Smoothgrandmama · March 27th, 2009, 08:42 PM

Having owned or currently owns a 03 GT an 03 cobra and an 09 Gt it's as simple as this.

Termi (Or mach 1) = Win

05+ GT = Win

99-04 = Loss

There not worth it IF you can afford something better. The 05 is a better platform but it simply does not compare to a termi. BUUUUTTTT If you really like the new edge style and can't afford a termi than a Mach one is the car for you.

KaotikGT · March 27th, 2009, 08:56 PM

[QUOTE=Smoothgrandmama;1952381]
Termi (Or mach 1) = Win

05+ GT = Win

99-04 = Loss

QUOTE]

yeah i've had foxes to my current 07. sold my 01 gt o get my 07 and i love the looks of it, the power it has, and the handling but i sit around and day dream about what if i would have got a cobra. it's all in looks and what you want but you can't go wring with a cobra that's for sure

M.P. Cobra Fan · March 27th, 2009, 11:27 PM

I personally like the looks of the New Edge cars better. That is all opinion though. Of course so is this whole thread. I would not get a two valve motor. If I was going to stay in New Edge territory I would get a Mach or Cobra. You can still pick them up cheaper than a S197. S197 Gt's are everywhere. Cobra's and Mach 1's not so much.

Eagle2000GT · March 28th, 2009, 12:02 AM

If you are comparing the stock 99-04 to a stock '05 then of course the '05 will win. If you are comparing the purchase price plus $5-6,000 of mod to each then the '05 might win. But if you invest the price difference between the two in a power adder, the 99-04 will come out on top.

mrbigjeep · March 28th, 2009, 12:12 AM

mach 1 if you can...if not then 05 is runner up

Mod mach · March 28th, 2009, 12:56 AM

If I had to chose new edge or s197,I would go s197 they are pretty sweet power wise and with an intake getting up to 20hp increase gotta love it,thats like a cam swap to a new edge.

00redgt · March 28th, 2009, 01:57 AM

05 up is ulgy imo

06RedfireGT · March 28th, 2009, 02:07 AM

S197 hands down.

Handles better, responds to mods MUCH better than a 2V, and shit a 4V too, the interior is nicer, brakes are better.

You may be able to supercharge a 2V for the price difference, but a 3V will make another 60-80hp to the tire than a 2V will safely.

saxmanJJ · March 28th, 2009, 11:48 AM

05+ are more powerful and have better heads

05+ are also heavy and big and not as distinctive looking as the new edge

05+ are more complicated (throttle by wire, variable cam timing)

I love my new-edge. It looks great, I can toss it around easily, and it will take a stock 05+ right now at the strip (after dumping a bunch of $ into it).

AMmuslGT · March 28th, 2009, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by 06RedfireGT

S197 hands down.

Handles better, responds to mods MUCH better than a 2V, and shit a 4V too, the interior is nicer, brakes are better.

You may be able to supercharge a 2V for the price difference, but a 3V will make another 60-80hp to the tire than a 2V will safely.

agreed

of course ive never owned a new edge. but my buddy has a new edge gt and he has full exhaust including LT headers, intake, tune, lowering springs and he runs a 13.9 qtr mile. i have axelback exhaust, intake, tune, lowering springs, hurst shifter. i ran once and ran a 13.8. but according to the guys on here i should be running like 13.6/13.5. hope this helps with your desicion.

MamaStang · March 28th, 2009, 12:17 PM

If you go the 05 route - skip the 05 and go for a newer model - 06 or up. They skimped on a couple aesthetic things (IMO). One item that irritated me was the throttle body cover - left it off in 05...engine looks nekkid.

The new edge is a nice car though - either way you go, I don't think you'll be disappointed.

leebunnyz · March 28th, 2009, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by saxmanJJ

05+ are more powerful and have better heads

05+ are also heavy and big and not as distinctive looking as the new edge

05+ are more complicated (throttle by wire, variable cam timing)

I love my new-edge. It looks great, I can toss it around easily, and it will take a stock 05+ right now at the strip (after dumping a bunch of $ into it).

looks are subjective, i never found the TBW or VCT complicated, and running a 13.5 you can lose to a stock 05+ too.

brianm · March 29th, 2009, 02:44 AM

I just sold my 03 gt and bought a 08 gt, the new edge is a nice car and is not as complicated as the 05+, but the only way to make sensible power with them is to supercharge them or build a motor, bolt ons are a waste of money(2v). My 03 had full bolt ons and is not nearly as strong as my 08 with intake and tune. I like both

. Its a personal decision get what you like most because both are great cars.

March 27th, 2009, 01:39 PM	#1
dschack Enthusiast 2000 sixxer, 1988 Fox Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 504 iTrader: 0 reviews	New Edge or 2005? Starting to get serious about looking for a GT. I can find new edge gts for about 8-9k but for 13-15k i could get a 2005, either way itll be manual. What are some pros and cons of each one? which has more horses? and what are the first couple mods you guys would do to each one. im looking to upgrade from my sixxer __________________

March 27th, 2009, 02:04 PM	#2
Eagle2000GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2000 Mustang GT 12.73@111.36 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Shelbyville, IN Posts: 5,316 iTrader: 1 reviews	There are huge differences between the new edge and an '05 that go a lot deeper than cosmetics. The '05 motor has 3-valves per cylinder and variable timing. The new edge GT has 2-valves per cylinder and no variable timing. Because of this the '05 is rated at 300 hp while the new edge is 260. With power adders the '05 can safely make more horsepower than the new edge. It has a better transmission than most new edges and a better suspension. It also weighs more. A couple of years ago I almost traded my new edge for an '05. They wanted my car plus $13k. I chose instead to keep my car and buy a supercharger. So for the same price as a stock '05, I now have a car that will outperform a stock '05. __________________ ProCharger P-1SC, 9 psi, STD 396/383; Uncorrected 388/375; SAE 383/370 Mods list in Garage.

March 27th, 2009, 04:21 PM	#3
leebunnyz MM Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Vineland, NJ Posts: 3,550 iTrader: 0 reviews	s197 is better for modding, and handles a crap load better! why not look into a mach 1...has the looks of the new edge, but performs better in straightline then the S197 __________________ Jesus Christ is #1 "The Founder Of Crews"

March 27th, 2009, 04:49 PM	#4
ModMustang97GT Hardcore Enthusiast 1997 Mustang GT Faster than an s4 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,598 iTrader: 0 reviews	It all comes down to looks. What do you want. Because the handling and power difference can be made up for in about the same of less money than the cost difference between the two. ported heads and cams will get you above the power of the 05' in a new edge. The 05 is stiffer and doesn't require subframe connectors like the new edge do. but the 05 is several hundred pounds heavier and lesss comfortable IMO. The 05 comes with a pan hard bar, a large handling improvement, but you can get one for your new edge for $300. You are paying more money to have the stuff already fixed for you. But you inheritother problems. Like the variable cam timing ruining your after market cams. You have to get phasers or super weak cams so your variable timing does cause you to have PTV issues. There are a whole list of other things that are different. Buy the one that you like the looks of, and like the comfort of. I know of a whole list of things better in the 05's than the new edge, but the new edge also cost a decent list of mods different. __________________ Aztec Gold 97GT. MM CC Plates, Panhard Bar, SFC's & Tower Brace Eibach Sway Bars H&R Race Springs/Bilstein Shocks MAC CAI, LT's, Catted H and Pro-Dumps KB Boost-a-Spark 04' PI Motor Author of The Official Suspension Guide

March 27th, 2009, 06:10 PM	#6
leebunnyz MM Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Vineland, NJ Posts: 3,550 iTrader: 0 reviews	my cams can net up to 30whp with no springs, retainers, and i didnt need any phase limiters? thats weak? __________________ Jesus Christ is #1 "The Founder Of Crews"

March 27th, 2009, 08:28 PM	#7
Fluffy The Rhino Bearer of Bad News I has mustang and legacy. Slower than my Ruger. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Fuckening Posts: 2,377 iTrader: 0 reviews	My vote is biased : ) __________________ ~MOD NUTSWINGER~ My Tongue Soothes Razorburn STOPSAYINGFAIL.COM EVERY FART IS A GAMBLE Just Think Of Me As A White Blood Cell.

March 27th, 2009, 08:42 PM	#8
Smoothgrandmama Assistant to the Manager 12 GT 8.46@88 1/8 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Willis,Texas Posts: 7,161 iTrader: 6 reviews	Having owned or currently owns a 03 GT an 03 cobra and an 09 Gt it's as simple as this. Termi (Or mach 1) = Win 05+ GT = Win 99-04 = Loss There not worth it IF you can afford something better. The 05 is a better platform but it simply does not compare to a termi. BUUUUTTTT If you really like the new edge style and can't afford a termi than a Mach one is the car for you. __________________ Join The MM Facebook: Modded Mustangs Facebook Vote For Modded Mustangs Ride of the Month Eskimo Brothers To Smooth: Safi, Blitz34, Graystang01, WillTheThrill, Bwal, 101Fng

March 27th, 2009, 08:56 PM	#9
KaotikGT Regular 2007 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Roanoke, Va Posts: 221 iTrader: 0 reviews	[QUOTE=Smoothgrandmama;1952381] Termi (Or mach 1) = Win 05+ GT = Win 99-04 = Loss QUOTE] yeah i've had foxes to my current 07. sold my 01 gt o get my 07 and i love the looks of it, the power it has, and the handling but i sit around and day dream about what if i would have got a cobra. it's all in looks and what you want but you can't go wring with a cobra that's for sure __________________ Cervini's type iv hood, C-series bumper, Pypes mid-muffler exhaust, WMS CAI, 20" chrome wheels, Roush rear spoiler

March 27th, 2009, 11:27 PM	#10
M.P. Cobra Fan It's in the details Mod! 01 Cobra Vert Nov 09/10 ROTM! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ft Stewart/Naples/Hampton/Tampa Posts: 11,013 iTrader: 1 reviews	I personally like the looks of the New Edge cars better. That is all opinion though. Of course so is this whole thread. I would not get a two valve motor. If I was going to stay in New Edge territory I would get a Mach or Cobra. You can still pick them up cheaper than a S197. S197 Gt's are everywhere. Cobra's and Mach 1's not so much. __________________ Pinup in signature by loish.net Modded Mustangs Cobra Club#007 Military Crew E5 VOTED MM's BEST SIGNATURE 2010. THANKS STANGGTR07

March 28th, 2009, 12:02 AM	#11
Eagle2000GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2000 Mustang GT 12.73@111.36 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Shelbyville, IN Posts: 5,316 iTrader: 1 reviews	If you are comparing the stock 99-04 to a stock '05 then of course the '05 will win. If you are comparing the purchase price plus $5-6,000 of mod to each then the '05 might win. But if you invest the price difference between the two in a power adder, the 99-04 will come out on top. __________________ ProCharger P-1SC, 9 psi, STD 396/383; Uncorrected 388/375; SAE 383/370 Mods list in Garage.

March 28th, 2009, 12:12 AM	#12
mrbigjeep I Post Entirely Way Too Much 04 mustang gt 7.21 @ 98 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: upstate sc Posts: 5,923 iTrader: 1 reviews	mach 1 if you can...if not then 05 is runner up __________________ cams + 150 shot

March 28th, 2009, 12:56 AM	#13
Mod mach Regular Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 126 iTrader: 0 reviews	If I had to chose new edge or s197,I would go s197 they are pretty sweet power wise and with an intake getting up to 20hp increase gotta love it,thats like a cam swap to a new edge. __________________ 4Cams,4Valves,4.10's Hell yeah

March 28th, 2009, 01:57 AM	#14
00redgt MM Fanatic 2000 mustang gt Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: vansant,va Posts: 4,092 iTrader: 5 reviews	05 up is ulgy imo __________________

March 28th, 2009, 02:07 AM	#15
06RedfireGT One Man Wolf Pack 2006 Mustang GT 13ish....maybe Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Regulatin On Some OGs Posts: 22,492 iTrader: 2 reviews	S197 hands down. Handles better, responds to mods MUCH better than a 2V, and shit a 4V too, the interior is nicer, brakes are better. You may be able to supercharge a 2V for the price difference, but a 3V will make another 60-80hp to the tire than a 2V will safely. __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

March 28th, 2009, 11:48 AM	#16
saxmanJJ Hardcore Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT 11.463@121.50 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SE PA Posts: 1,644 iTrader: 1 reviews	05+ are more powerful and have better heads 05+ are also heavy and big and not as distinctive looking as the new edge 05+ are more complicated (throttle by wire, variable cam timing) I love my new-edge. It looks great, I can toss it around easily, and it will take a stock 05+ right now at the strip (after dumping a bunch of $ into it).

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March 28th, 2009, 12:17 PM	#18
MamaStang Top Down, Crunked Up 2005 Mustang GT Fast Enough for this old broad Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,532 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 0 reviews	If you go the 05 route - skip the 05 and go for a newer model - 06 or up. They skimped on a couple aesthetic things (IMO). One item that irritated me was the throttle body cover - left it off in 05...engine looks nekkid. The new edge is a nice car though - either way you go, I don't think you'll be disappointed. __________________ Bassani & Topless Vert Crew Member #4 Let Me Help You Shop For The Ladies In Your Lives This Year! Click Here For Info

March 29th, 2009, 02:44 AM	#20
brianm Hardcore Enthusiast 2011 ram 1500 hemi Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: sylvan lake, alberta Posts: 1,336 iTrader: 0 reviews	I just sold my 03 gt and bought a 08 gt, the new edge is a nice car and is not as complicated as the 05+, but the only way to make sensible power with them is to supercharge them or build a motor, bolt ons are a waste of money(2v). My 03 had full bolt ons and is not nearly as strong as my 08 with intake and tune. I like both. Its a personal decision get what you like most because both are great cars. __________________ vmp500 hp. jba lts. powerhouse d/s Sold

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