[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by allblack96 well i want it to be okay on gas and be capable of being a daily driver. but i also want about 400 to 450 hp

Then spend $2k to by a gas-sipping DD, and don't be half-assed with the Mustang with the other $8k+.

[2001bullitt]

Originally Posted by teal89 Stroker Kit, Cam, NPI Head Porting, Lifters, Intake Manifold will get you where you want. Now I notice people leave the most important thing out and that's ..... TUNING!!!!!! So All of that I said and Tuning will land you well into the 400hp and waay less than $6,800 or 3/4 of your budget. Be sure to take around another grand and be sure the 400+hp can mbe transffered properly... Twin disc clutch set and aluminum driveshaft and go ahead and beef up the rear with a good ol FRPP 3.73's. Then go z28, 350Z, Vette Hunting

Sounds like a typical push rod guy...trying to squeeze 400 -450 out of a 2v n/a is a lot harder than a push rod car...the car will not be a good daily driver...as for the tuning part that would be considered in part of the install money...if your paying more than 500 for a programmer and a tune then your getting ripped off..if it were me i would buy another car you could get a blown 99-04 gt for 10-12k shoot the red car in that video is for sale right now with 66k miles and im looking to get 11.5k...so buy another car man and keep that one as the dd.

[the misfit wolfie]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter Then spend $2k to by a gas-sipping DD, and don't be half-assed with the Mustang with the other $8k+.

+1, you cant have 400+ hp and have it be good on gas. you have to choose.

[86er]

if you stroke it its not that hard.

Friend has a stroke 3v granted the heads help but he put 386 or something close to that with eagles 302 stroker kit long tubes intake and a tune.

[2001bullitt]

last time I checked 386 was less than 400+...and having the motor built is gonna be just as expensive...just go by yourself a new car and keep that until it dies man!

[86er]

Originally Posted by 2001bullitt last time I checked 386 was less than 400+...and having the motor built is gonna be just as expensive...just go by yourself a new car and keep that until it dies man!

my bad 386 n/a from a mod motor, lets see what you bring to the table

bet its not even close to 400

[teal89]

Originally Posted by 2001bullitt Sounds like a typical push rod guy...trying to squeeze 400 -450 out of a 2v n/a is a lot harder than a push rod car...the car will not be a good daily driver...as for the tuning part that would be considered in part of the install money...if your paying more than 500 for a programmer and a tune then your getting ripped off..if it were me i would buy another car you could get a blown 99-04 gt for 10-12k shoot the red car in that video is for sale right now with 66k miles and im looking to get 11.5k...so buy another car man and keep that one as the dd.

Sounds like a typical "money is not a problem" guy. You type of guys are great... Squeezing is not an issue and little bit more work but it can be done. The easy way out would be to spend money on one thing and call it a day but I've been building 2v's for quite some time.

If you want to make power and save money then at least grab PI heads, port them, Cams, better intake, Gears, and a $250 PROGRAMMER. The tuner is not no dang $500 so he's just wanting credits for saying that. Also it may sound like a "typical" pushrod guy but it's also a mustang. If V6's can push whooping numbers like 600-700hp then getting at least more realistic 350-375 is nothing. Some of the generations above 96's made 300hp and supercharger added 125 to the ground. So it's not about taking the lasy/easy way out and spend a crapload of money on one thing to serve your purpose, build on what you have. It's about how you put the power down, not how much money can be spend to get what you want.

[2001bullitt]

Originally Posted by teal89 Sounds like a typical "money is not a problem" guy. You type of guys are great... Squeezing is not an issue and little bit more work but it can be done. The easy way out would be to spend money on one thing and call it a day but I've been building 2v's for quite some time. If you want to make power and save money then at least grab PI heads, port them, Cams, better intake, Gears, and a $250 PROGRAMMER. The tuner is not no dang $500 so he's just wanting credits for saying that. Also it may sound like a "typical" pushrod guy but it's also a mustang. If V6's can push whooping numbers like 600-700hp then getting at least more realistic 350-375 is nothing. Some of the generations above 96's made 300hp and supercharger added 125 to the ground. So it's not about taking the lasy/easy way out and spend a crapload of money on one thing to serve your purpose, build on what you have. It's about how you put the power down, not how much money can be spend to get what you want.

I know you cant read now for sure with your credits remark but anyways...re-read the thread topic 400+ Horsepower sorry last time I checked 350-375 is less than 400! READ WHAT HE SAID KLOWN! yes you can make 400 horsepower with an N/A 2v but its not the cheapest and its definitely not the best daily driver.

[Black Bullitt]

Agreed. On a 2v mod motor N/A it is not going to be the most DD friendly. If you want 400+ you're going to have to put a power adder on it hands down, I don't care what anybody says. Any body that says otherwise is a bucket full o' sh!t. 200k is a lot on a stock motor. My personal opinions is: A) Get a used low mileage PI motor out of a mustang and drop it in yours and throw a power adder on it. You will be happy with the power it's making for the time being. Turbo is going to get you over 400 rwhp the easiest with less boost (costs more, initially). You can do it with a blower as well (costs less, initially), but you're going have to push more boost to get the results you want which is also pushing the block more. B) Buy a mustang with the power adder on it already and have a nice down payment on one and then DD your 200k mustang like 2001bullitt said. If you do it that way you can have all the down time in the world for your 400+ mustang while you do other things to it as time and money allows. Trust me I wish I had a DD so I don't have to worry about down time on my Bullitt. Right now I can't afford down time. My personal choice is B. There are a thousand different options/avenues to take. What do you want? A 400+ mustang is easy to figure out. The route to that 400+ is going to be the big factor.

Start with the basics like I showed you above and watch your mustang grow little by little. You'll get more satisfaction out of building a car bit by bit vs. buying a 400+ car outright. Unless it's 2001bullitt's red mustang. I can personally vouch for the power and potential it has. And yes it's over 400 to those neigh sayers.

[Thumbie]

I would suggest getting an 03 or 04 cobra motor + TRANNY. thats 390. hardly tune it and you get 400.

[silverstang]

where are these 400+ hp N/A 2v cars????? Its a BITCH to get a 3v to those numbers. (I'm seriously not trying to say the 3v is "far superior" or anything, just curious)



and to the OP.........Buy a 2 or 3k dollar DD car. THEN you can start building the stang the way you REALLY want it. Put a built motor in it. Run it N/A with a little spray until you can save for a blower. Have fun with the mustang and don't worry about having to drive it every day. Don't be in a rush to get a part installed so you can drive it tomorrow to work.

[silverstang]

and i'm still curious about my question^^

[silverstang]

Nobody?!?!? hmmmmmm........

[ReverendDexter]

Silver, the 3v *is* far superior to the 2v. The 2v just has enough aftermarket to play catch-up.

[silverstang]

I still want to see proof of the remark that it is "easy" to get a 2v to 400 rwhp N/A.........I know the 3v is a far superior design, but this isn't a 3v vs. 2v argument (which is what I figured people would turn it into with me having a 3v and asking the question)...........I saw ONE 2v car that MIGHT have been pushing 400 on the SPEED channel one time, I think it was on Pass Time. In a sn95 with a carb 4.6...........it was a fully built motor and no telling how much $$ in it. Ran low 11s n/a. I'm just curious is all. I'm not really technically "calling" anyone out, but someone stated they have built many 2Vs and they know what they are capable of. I don't recall who it was but it was in the thread. I'm wondering how many 400 hp 2vs they have built.

[teal89]

Originally Posted by 2001bullitt I know you cant read now for sure with your credits remark but anyways...re-read the thread topic 400+ Horsepower sorry last time I checked 350-375 is less than 400! READ WHAT HE SAID KLOWN! yes you can make 400 horsepower with an N/A 2v but its not the cheapest and its definitely not the best daily driver.

After re-reading the whole post, I man up to my mistake in speaking to quickly upon this forum. I shall change my statement...

I would honestly look upon the 4 valve but if you would prefer keeping things as simple as possible, I would go snag the 3v heads and intake and you can achieve what you want. FF&MM magazine has a 3v setup that ran an 8.48 at 139. Of course it was probably sponsered and he had over $100,000 from that but you can acheive the same without paying so much. 3v Heads, aluminum intake, tune ($275 tuner on ebay), Forged pistons or what you have with a stroker crank and hyper pistons and 290* cams would put you close to 10.5-11.1 compression and you should acheive what you are looking for.

Or like Mr. "Money aint a thang" that hoped my ass a second ago, you could do the 3v swap and smack a Cobra supercharger or Wolly Mammoth blower on top and throw a tune to it and achieve what you are looking for... Just kidding with you to Mr Money aint a thang.

[teal89]

Originally Posted by silverstang I still want to see proof of the remark that it is "easy" to get a 2v to 400 rwhp N/A.........I know the 3v is a far superior design, but this isn't a 3v vs. 2v argument (which is what I figured people would turn it into with me having a 3v and asking the question)...........I saw ONE 2v car that MIGHT have been pushing 400 on the SPEED channel one time, I think it was on Pass Time. In a sn95 with a carb 4.6...........it was a fully built motor and no telling how much $$ in it. Ran low 11s n/a. I'm just curious is all. I'm not really technically "calling" anyone out, but someone stated they have built many 2Vs and they know what they are capable of. I don't recall who it was but it was in the thread. I'm wondering how many 400 hp 2vs they have built.

I know that car you are talking about from pass time, I recorded that mess, that sucker could have ran so much faster if he didn't have them damn full blooded drag springs on the car bouncing around when he shifts gears. Yeah those costed him a lost of time on top of him shifting way to early from 2nd to 3rd LOL wow

[takiller]

I owned a 97 gt and now i have an 03 gt. for a long time it seems ive been sratching my head trying to figure out what set up to go with to get about 400 to 450hp. this is what i came up with.......i think we can all agree for a 2v to get 400 or 450 your gona have to spend some serious cash. after YEARS of thinking about what to do, ive decided to go with the '03 4v motor. sure it costs some money to get one and install but think about it. where you START with a '03 4v is where you want to END with a 2v. we can all agree the hp addiction doesnt just end there. at least with a 4v you have a good start if u wanna go more. 2v- heads, cams, f/i, rebuilt 200K mile motor= just about a GOOD chunk of ur 10K and about 450HP best case scenario. 4v- stock motor, smaller pulley, exhaust, tune=$$ to spare, nice start and about 500hp. that doesnt even account for the tranny u have get also which ur still gona have plenty of money to do so. cobra guys are ditchin those for cheap. and if you cant get a f/i 4v u can get a non f/i 4v. the 03 and 04 guys are ditching their eatons for dirt cheap and goin with turbos and kb. sure its not the greatest s/c BUT it will def get you some decent hp.

Once again thats my 2 cents and what IM gonna do. def what not what you have to do. BUT def worth thinking about man. and im sure theres a few guys in here that would agree with me.

[oonegtstang]

wait. save more money, buy a 03/04 cobra with about 50k miles. then just buy a bigger pulley for 80bucks and you have yourself 430 rwhp and people who know a decent amount about cars will respect your car, they wont just be like "oooh mustang goes fasttt" they be like "ooo cobra ooo" plus all your internals are forged and rear end can handle upwards of 500hp. its the BEST platform from the factory... and no offense dude.. 96 is a pretty crappy mustang like please dont take that to offense, i have a mustang you have a mustang, were brothers, but im saying from a technical point of view, the 96 pi motors only have about 226 from teh factory, plus, 200k miles later, probably 215. also the terminators look drop dead gorgeous in every color.



oh hey,,, or you could always get a mach 1. thats a nice platform. 4v is def a good thing.
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[oonegtstang]

and i didnt eralize after i wrote my quick reply that there was more to the thread. page 2 remained unread. so,, i basiaclly said everything that was alrady said. so lets not tear my ass open bc i didnt read it fully.. thanks