subframe connectors?

jranaudo · February 3rd, 2010, 11:42 AM

ok so I am not satisfied with the way my 2004 mach1 handles. Like crap if you ask me.

Are subframe connectors a good thing? I am not so sure because it does add weight.

Eventually I will install a new suspension at some point as well but from what I understand the subframe connectors increase rigidity which is a good thing.

Any opinions?

_Red_Rocket_ · February 3rd, 2010, 12:39 PM

the weight they add isn't something you should be concerned about. they're not adding 100s of pounds anyways, their overall impact on your power/weight ratio is quite small.

The improvement in handling characteristics is why people install things like upper/lower control arms, sway bars, subframe connectors, etc.

sickfox · February 3rd, 2010, 12:40 PM

DO IT!! And uca's and lca's

Lefty · February 3rd, 2010, 12:40 PM

Yes, should be one of the first mods on a mustang. Full Length Sub Frame connectors.

sickfox · February 3rd, 2010, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Lefty

Yes, should be one of the first mods on a mustang. Full Length Sub Frame connectors.

Weld in too

'97'Cobra · February 3rd, 2010, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by black89GT

Weld in too

+1 I have heard the bolt in's are just shitty

_Red_Rocket_ · February 3rd, 2010, 03:45 PM

AM has weld in's on sale for 79.99. Probably going to order mine very soon.

zigbigadoru · February 3rd, 2010, 03:56 PM

did you seriously just say full length subframe connectors add weight? come on man. thats about the silliest thing ive ever heard. they weigh maybe like 20lbs. hell i have heavier dumbells than BOTH of my subframe connectors.

as for the difference they made....man did they make a difference. my mustang feels like its on RAILS now. corner and even BRAKING got a boost from it. yes i said braking, i noticed a difference in the braking in that it was more uniform and worked together. seriously just get em. dont ask anymore questions just get em.

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jranaudo · February 4th, 2010, 01:17 AM

thanks guys. buying asap!

Crisco · February 4th, 2010, 02:16 PM

the creation of this thread helped in answering one question for me! Great!

bullitt2086 · February 5th, 2010, 03:05 PM

your mach should have subs frame connectors from the factory

ModMustang97GT · February 5th, 2010, 07:39 PM

He already said, he was not happy with the current performance. The stock ones on the mach 1's are trash to say the least.

You should still upgrade them to a decent set of full length weld in types. Maximum Motorsports are a great product, and worth the money.

The SFC's will tie everything together, making your car more efficient in power transfer, braking and cornering. It will amplify the effect of any suspension changes you make and make the car safer.

97Dustang · February 7th, 2010, 12:33 AM

arent the mach sfc's just the bolt on ones from the convertibles? and +1 maximum motorsports sfc's are awesome, full length, weld in, and they bolt to your seats too, they make a HUGE difference in the whole feel of the car.

modularmustang · February 8th, 2010, 12:57 PM

I ordered MMFLSFC a month ago and still waiting to get them welded in... I wouldn't be able to use them anyways because of the snow, but still. From what I've read and researched MM was the original designer of the Full length style.

What do people mean by safer? like in an accident or just that your brakes, handling will improve so thus you can avoid accidents better?

Trick Tuners · February 8th, 2010, 01:18 PM

Yup, SFC are the best bang for the buck and should be the first mod.

zigbigadoru · February 8th, 2010, 02:30 PM

there are safer in a crash in that they allow the energy to fully travel the length of the car instead of crumpling right in the middle....where you guessed it!!!! you are. thats on top of the handling/braking part of it too

MikeJones · February 8th, 2010, 10:53 PM

Might be the wrong thread but I have been looking at 10-point roll cages all day. I was wondering if Jegs' fit just as nice as MM's?

97Dustang · February 9th, 2010, 12:08 AM

yea kinda the wrong thread, but anyways ive heard that the MM's fit beautifuly, ive never heard of anyone who has used the jegs one. Check out wolfe racecraft, make a very good product from what i hear. I just got mine back tonight from having a custom 10 point cage put in and i must say its awesome and you might want to consider having a custom one bent if you are worried about precise fitment.

Thumbie · February 9th, 2010, 03:01 AM

back to subframes, are buying the discount ones from LRS a stupid idea? like, are they not as stiff and such? because they are a fraction of the cost of MM's

modularmustang · February 9th, 2010, 01:01 PM

Lets not forget at that point (400rwhp) you'll need a few other things. Like Building up your torque boxes. I hear Battle Box is a good by wild rides. Only really needed when you start doing 6k launches on slicks, lol.

February 3rd, 2010, 11:42 AM	#1
jranaudo Newbie Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 20 iTrader: 0 reviews	subframe connectors? ok so I am not satisfied with the way my 2004 mach1 handles. Like crap if you ask me. Are subframe connectors a good thing? I am not so sure because it does add weight. Eventually I will install a new suspension at some point as well but from what I understand the subframe connectors increase rigidity which is a good thing. Any opinions?

February 3rd, 2010, 12:40 PM	#4
Lefty The Doctor '01 Cobra Vert. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Mechanicsburg, PA Posts: 27,388 iTrader: 11 reviews	Yes, should be one of the first mods on a mustang. Full Length Sub Frame connectors. __________________ 2008 Acura TL Type-S (the daily) 2006 Yamaha R6 50th Anniversary Edition (the other toy)

February 5th, 2010, 07:39 PM	#12
ModMustang97GT Hardcore Enthusiast 1997 Mustang GT Faster than an s4 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,598 iTrader: 0 reviews	He already said, he was not happy with the current performance. The stock ones on the mach 1's are trash to say the least. You should still upgrade them to a decent set of full length weld in types. Maximum Motorsports are a great product, and worth the money. The SFC's will tie everything together, making your car more efficient in power transfer, braking and cornering. It will amplify the effect of any suspension changes you make and make the car safer. __________________ Aztec Gold 97GT. MM CC Plates, Panhard Bar, SFC's & Tower Brace Eibach Sway Bars H&R Race Springs/Bilstein Shocks MAC CAI, LT's, Catted H and Pro-Dumps KB Boost-a-Spark 04' PI Motor Author of The Official Suspension Guide

February 7th, 2010, 12:33 AM	#13
97Dustang Enthusiast 97 GT and 03 Cobra 12.75@105 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 595 iTrader: 0 reviews	arent the mach sfc's just the bolt on ones from the convertibles? and +1 maximum motorsports sfc's are awesome, full length, weld in, and they bolt to your seats too, they make a HUGE difference in the whole feel of the car. __________________ 2003 COBRA FOR SALE PM FOR DETAILS

February 8th, 2010, 12:57 PM	#14
modularmustang Regular 1997 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: glens falls, NY Posts: 55 iTrader: 0 reviews	I ordered MMFLSFC a month ago and still waiting to get them welded in... I wouldn't be able to use them anyways because of the snow, but still. From what I've read and researched MM was the original designer of the Full length style. What do people mean by safer? like in an accident or just that your brakes, handling will improve so thus you can avoid accidents better? __________________ Race car driving is alot like sex, every guy thinks hes good at it. 253.x/292.x <-- me tuning 13.41@104.76

February 3rd, 2010, 12:39 PM	#2
_Red_Rocket_ Regular 2004 Mustang GT 14.2 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 171 iTrader: 1 reviews	the weight they add isn't something you should be concerned about. they're not adding 100s of pounds anyways, their overall impact on your power/weight ratio is quite small. The improvement in handling characteristics is why people install things like upper/lower control arms, sway bars, subframe connectors, etc.

February 3rd, 2010, 03:45 PM	#7
_Red_Rocket_ Regular 2004 Mustang GT 14.2 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 171 iTrader: 1 reviews	AM has weld in's on sale for 79.99. Probably going to order mine very soon.

February 4th, 2010, 01:17 AM	#9
jranaudo Newbie Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 20 iTrader: 0 reviews	thanks guys. buying asap!

February 4th, 2010, 02:16 PM	#10
Crisco Newbie Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 23 iTrader: 0 reviews	the creation of this thread helped in answering one question for me! Great!

February 5th, 2010, 03:05 PM	#11
bullitt2086 Regular 2008 bullitt 12.99@106mph Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Miami,FL Posts: 128 iTrader: 0 reviews	your mach should have subs frame connectors from the factory

February 8th, 2010, 01:18 PM	#15
Trick Tuners MM Fanatic KB'd GT Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,471 iTrader: 3 reviews	Yup, SFC are the best bang for the buck and should be the first mod. __________________ Check out my forums for stuff on troubleshooting, tuning, etc We teamed up with Socal Performance Racing to bring dyno tuning to San Diego. Be friends with us on FB

February 8th, 2010, 10:53 PM	#17
MikeJones Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 13.7@103 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Stoon, Saskatchewan Posts: 2,842 iTrader: 0 reviews	Might be the wrong thread but I have been looking at 10-point roll cages all day. I was wondering if Jegs' fit just as nice as MM's? __________________ Mod6 Bigbore Kooks (parting out 2v motor)

February 9th, 2010, 12:08 AM	#18
97Dustang Enthusiast 97 GT and 03 Cobra 12.75@105 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 595 iTrader: 0 reviews	yea kinda the wrong thread, but anyways ive heard that the MM's fit beautifuly, ive never heard of anyone who has used the jegs one. Check out wolfe racecraft, make a very good product from what i hear. I just got mine back tonight from having a custom 10 point cage put in and i must say its awesome and you might want to consider having a custom one bent if you are worried about precise fitment. __________________ 2003 COBRA FOR SALE PM FOR DETAILS

February 9th, 2010, 03:01 AM	#19
Thumbie Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 Cobra 14.2@102 (I suck) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,621 iTrader: 0 reviews	back to subframes, are buying the discount ones from LRS a stupid idea? like, are they not as stiff and such? because they are a fraction of the cost of MM's __________________ 2001 Cobra with SRA swap, modded for twisties MM Cobra Club Member #76

February 9th, 2010, 01:01 PM	#20
modularmustang Regular 1997 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: glens falls, NY Posts: 55 iTrader: 0 reviews	Lets not forget at that point (400rwhp) you'll need a few other things. Like Building up your torque boxes. I hear Battle Box is a good by wild rides. Only really needed when you start doing 6k launches on slicks, lol. __________________ Race car driving is alot like sex, every guy thinks hes good at it. 253.x/292.x <-- me tuning 13.41@104.76

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