[1996 GT]

Well, i could make it have better mpg if i didnt love second gear so much.

[mwilly]

I did an economy drive once in my car on Interstate 10. Windows up, a/c off, steady 55-60mph cruise, (cough) 3.08 gears (cough), and it did 33 mpg. I haven't touched it since, but I consistently get 26-27 mpg highway with my 3.90's.

I have a PI engine with pretty much every bolt-on, full exhaust and ported heads. Around town I don't get shit because I like to go through the gears. Hell I'd get shitty gas mileage in a Prius!

Gas mileage has a ton to do with HOW you drive. A 5.0 with the same mods would not come close to 30mpg if you were trying.

[NeverEnuff]

Originally Posted by SNmustang95 I'm not saying they're the same (let's stray from an argument on this one rock ) anyways, I'm saying they brought the concept, easy to modify, powerful, and all around well known Sent from my Autoguide iPhone app

Then you are arguing with yourself.

YOu said earlier you disagree that modulars are easier to work on...but you you just said the 5.0 modular is 'easy' to modify...

Which is it. And the new 5.0 is nothing like the the old 5.0 as stated above. Infact there is NOTHING the same in them...only thing they share is the '5', the '.' and the '0'. And they even changed those. All the new 5.0 is, is a revised better version of the already old 4.6/5.4 modular design. Take a look back, they have been improving the 4.6/5.4 since it came out.

Iron Block NPI
Iron Block PI
Alum block PI (explorers)
Alum 32v B motor
Then 32v C motor
Alum 32V C motor
Then 3v heads to replace 2V
etc etc

then enter the 5.0.

[NeverEnuff]

Originally Posted by 1989Gt. Im sorry but im gonna have to disagree my gt40 combo made 280whp and 286 torque. I spent about 400 on everything i needed and did the swap myself granted you can find the pi heads and cams and intake for around that price but when i had my pi swapped pony It made a huge difference but i know my 5.0 was still faster, Now before i sold it i had a set of trickflow heads lined up for 800, how much are trickflow heads for a 2v? 1800 or something?

P heads? X heads? You should specify. Cause X heads will produce WAY more power than P heads. I was talking stock for stock parts. If you got stock P heads in that HP range. Its the first ive heard of, ever. Did I mention the power on the PI swap stuff, was stock manifold and just a OR mid pipe. lol.

Anyway...I still find the 5.0 as an inferior design.

Take the factory stock class...whos is tearing that class up. Pushrods or Modulars? I believe for YEARs the 5.0 guys were stuck in the 11s...over and over. Then up comes Shawn Johnson and a few others running 10s the first season.


Hmmmm...

[NeverEnuff]

Originally Posted by mwilly I would say it depends on what the application is... If I was building a drag car, I'd go with the pushrod as a base. Daily driver, road race, or pretty much anything else for that matter, I'd go with the 4.6. Preferably the DOHC, but SOHC still makes great gas mileage for the power it makes. You can't get close to 300whp with a 5.0 and still knock down close to 30mpg on the highway. 4.6's do it all the time.

Originally Posted by 1996 GT ^ My 4.6 SOHC does 21mpg combined and 11mpg city and about 24 highway.

Originally Posted by Rockwell29 ^ mine gets 16-17 city and about 24-27 mpg highway depending how I drive it.

Exactly. best I ever saw with my 5.0 and 5.8 was 19...that was with 3.73s, mild cam and AFR heads, TF R intake

With my Aviator cammed combo, with 4.30s, I got 24mpg running 75-80mph on my way to dallas air port.

With my Big bore combo in the same car running 4.56s I got 23ish on my way to Wichita Falls.

Modulars are more effiecent, weigh less, more stable valvetrain, 'squared'....its just a plain old better design. If it wasn't...they would have 'fielded' it in the Crown Vics and then left it alone and stayed with the pushrod...buuuuut...they didn't.

[SNmustang95]

Originally Posted by NeverEnuff Then you are arguing with yourself. YOu said earlier you disagree that modulars are easier to work on...but you you just said the 5.0 modular is 'easy' to modify... Which is it. And the new 5.0 is nothing like the the old 5.0 as stated above. Infact there is NOTHING the same in them...only thing they share is the '5', the '.' and the '0'. And they even changed those. All the new 5.0 is, is a revised better version of the already old 4.6/5.4 modular design. Take a look back, they have been improving the 4.6/5.4 since it came out. Iron Block NPI Iron Block PI Alum block PI (explorers) Alum 32v B motor Then 32v C motor Alum 32V C motor Then 3v heads to replace 2V etc etc then enter the 5.0.

Seriously. Fucking read.


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[NeverEnuff]

^ I did. And I quoted you. Need me to go back over and quote you a few more times?

Also to note. Saying a 4.6 is harder to work on when compared to your 5.0...how can you even state that considering you only have a few bolts ons. CAI, and some exhaust? For the most part, the mods you have done, 4.6 or old 5.0, its the same skill level. lol.

Go be a tool some place else. YOu obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

[SNmustang95]

Cause I've only worked on my car right? alright sir.


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[NeverEnuff]

^ Enlighten me?

How many modulars you built from the ground up? Cam installs? Motor installs?

How many on a new 5.0?

How many on an OLD 5.0?

[SNmustang95]

I've worked on 4.6. And 5.0's. Heads, intake, headers, injectors, helped with some turbos, plugs, wires, shocks, springs, pullies. And I think that's it. All and all. The 5.0 was easier. And yes, the list includes both 4.6 and 5.0. So stop with the dickish attitude.


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[NeverEnuff]

^ I don't have one. How can you tell that in a message forum? I was asking a question. You came off with your comment about 4.6s being harder and not as good as a 5.0 pushrod. Im simply stating the opposite.

You a part of MWS there in Omaha/Bellevue?

[SNmustang95]

Originally Posted by NeverEnuff ^ I don't have one. How can you tell that in a message forum? I was asking a question. You came off with your comment about 4.6s being harder and not as good as a 5.0 pushrod. Im simply stating the opposite. You a part of MWS there in Omaha/Bellevue?

Sorry. I'm not doing so hot lately I dislocated my knee and it's put me in a bad mood. So, sorry really. but yeah I am, but since I have this knee problem I can't attend.


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[NeverEnuff]

No worries. I've been told before I come off a bit opinionated or strong at times. No harm no foul.

Who's the prez there these days? Keith still? White GT vert...

Been a while since I've been up that way.

[SNmustang95]

Originally Posted by NeverEnuff No worries. I've been told before I come off a bit opinionated or strong at times. No harm no foul. Who's the prez there these days? Keith still? White GT vert... Been a while since I've been up that way.

Well MWS joins up with my group here in Lincoln, on occasion. But, I think he still is. Not too sure though.


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[NeverEnuff]

^ ill have to hit him up.

Take care of that knee.