[03GT_Hybrid]

In my opinion right now I think that Terminators have more potential than the new GT500. I love Termies. 03-04 FTW

[07stanggt]

Originally Posted by stangliter04 03-04 cobra... but if you dont have the cash for a cobra you can pick up a Mach 1 for around the same price you would pay for a GT.

+1 on that. If I were looking for used in the years your talking I would look for a mach 1. 4 valve heads... different cams. Plus the shaker hood is pure P@$$*.

[ZOOTOXIN]

Originally Posted by 07stanggt +1 on that. If I were looking for used in the years your talking I would look for a mach 1. 4 valve heads... different cams. Plus the shaker hood is pure P@$$*.

anything but a termi...is what I'm gettin

[ModMustang97GT]

The new gt500 with a Kenne Bell and a new pully made 800hp. That is with everything else stock. If you really want o break it down. Ported heads are $1200 for 2V $3000 for a 4v and I don't even know for a 3V. You can make 1000HP on any of them but your internals are the limit. All mustang cranks aside from the 03-04 Cobra are good to 650 hp. The pistons and rods specifically are only good to 450hp Reliably. And of course in all things it depends on the tune and how you drive it. In my opinion, the 98 mustang is a great deal for cost and power potential versus the newer cars. Depends on what you want looks wise. If you want new edge you are going to pay for it. Otherwise, get a 96 rebuild it with forged internals. Parts is about $2000. New trany $3000, new diff and axles $1000 and then a turbo kit $6000. Upgrade your rear suspension and subframes for another $1000. Then throw in a cage for $500. All said and done. parts wise + Car is going to be $17K. And you will run 9's. That is a fully built car, give or take a grand that will run down any production car on the planet. Just my .02

[Invictus]

Originally Posted by ModMustang97GT The new gt500 with a Kenne Bell and a new pully made 800hp. That is with everything else stock. If you really want o break it down. Ported heads are $1200 for 2V $3000 for a 4v and I don't even know for a 3V. You can make 1000HP on any of them but your internals are the limit. All mustang cranks aside from the 03-04 Cobra are good to 650 hp. The pistons and rods specifically are only good to 450hp Reliably. And of course in all things it depends on the tune and how you drive it. In my opinion, the 98 mustang is a great deal for cost and power potential versus the newer cars. Depends on what you want looks wise. If you want new edge you are going to pay for it. Otherwise, get a 96 rebuild it with forged internals. Parts is about $2000. New trany $3000, new diff and axles $1000 and then a turbo kit $6000. Upgrade your rear suspension and subframes for another $1000. Then throw in a cage for $500. All said and done. parts wise + Car is going to be $17K. And you will run 9's. That is a fully built car, give or take a grand that will run down any production car on the planet. Just my .02

Just put an 03/04 term. motor in your GT, build the rear and call it a day =X

[07stanggt]

Originally Posted by ZOOTOXIN anything but a termi...is what I'm gettin

Whats up brother? No if he has the money to buy a termi than do it, no doubt. I just assumed if he had to ask which one is best that he doesnt have the money for something from the elite svt world you know. We all can't roll like that.

And to asnwer the other guys question, ported heads for 3vs, $1295 each from frpp.

[WAR-PARTY]

Originally Posted by Casper98GT Which 4.6 is the best. I couldnt tell you. It would be a war to come in here and say which is the BEST. haha. I like the 4.6's in the Cobras. weather its a non-s/c or a s/c. They kick ass due to the DOHC design and they really shine up top. Cobras and MAch's have a 4.6 but its a DOHC. GT's have a 4.6 but its a SOHC. The 96-98 GT's were POS's in my mind ( even though i own one ) The 99-01 are different motors than the 01 1/2 - 04. Intake design were different and like White said, they have different assembly plants. So i guess it all boils down to: 1. How much you wanna spend. 2. Which body style you like the best. 3. What kinda power you want and want to put into them.

I thought the DOHC motors were turds just that meny more things to go south. My 4.6 should put out 800/850 ponies. Like you said just a matter of how much you want to spend....

[StangAddiction]

all modulars have the same potential...That is, as much potential as your wallet can support.

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by StangAddiction all motors have the same potential...That is, as much potential as your wallet can support.

Fixed that for you

[StangAddiction]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter Fixed that for you

I couldnt agree more...

Its just easier and cheaper to make power with a motor that has an aftermarket and a higher displacement. Im sure with enough money and diligence, you could make a 1.0L engine put out 1000hp...

[Nemisus]

Originally Posted by lemon ps: vins with the 8th digit of x is a windsor, i dont know about other digits..

i'm confused! In the above quote "Lemon" says the 8th digit in the vin of X means I have a windsor...... However in the below quote "drgnracin" says a 13 bolt valve cover says its a windsor...

what does it mean if you that 8th digit of X and an 11 Bolt Valve cover?

Originally Posted by drgnracin72 or you can look at the valve covers and if it has 13 bolts that bolt the valve cover down, thats also a windsor engine, and the other one has 11 bolts!!!!

I'm only curious!

Cheers

Nem

[gnr_70]

What is a Windsor engine and what is special about it? Hardware wise.

Originally Posted by drgnracin72 or you can look at the valve covers and if it has 13 bolts that bolt the valve cover down, that s also a winore engine, and the other one has 11 bolts!!!!

[HMUSN]

Originally Posted by ModMustang97GT The new gt500 with a Kenne Bell and a new pully made 800hp. That is with everything else stock. If you really want o break it down. Ported heads are $1200 for 2V $3000 for a 4v and I don't even know for a 3V. You can make 1000HP on any of them but your internals are the limit. All mustang cranks aside from the 03-04 Cobra are good to 650 hp. The pistons and rods specifically are only good to 450hp Reliably. And of course in all things it depends on the tune and how you drive it. In my opinion, the 98 mustang is a great deal for cost and power potential versus the newer cars. Depends on what you want looks wise. If you want new edge you are going to pay for it. Otherwise, get a 96 rebuild it with forged internals. Parts is about $2000. New trany $3000, new diff and axles $1000 and then a turbo kit $6000. Upgrade your rear suspension and subframes for another $1000. Then throw in a cage for $500. All said and done. parts wise + Car is going to be $17K. And you will run 9's. That is a fully built car, give or take a grand that will run down any production car on the planet. Just my .02

there is only one problem with your post.
a GT500 is not a 4.6 L motor

[Eagle2000GT]

Originally Posted by gnr_70 What is a Windsor engine and what is special about it? Hardware wise.

The Windsor manufacturing plant makes truck engines. The Romeo manufacturing plant makes car engines. Because of a fire at the Romeo plant, 99-00 and some 01 Mustang GTs had the Windsor motor. There are mostly minor differences between the two motors and most of the parts are interchangeable. Windsors have an 8-bolt crank, Romeos have 6. Windsor have 13 bolt valve covers, Romeos 11. I have also heard that the process to cast rods and pistons was changed in '01.

Regardless, I've been told by engine builders the '00 and older 4.6s are strongers. Procharger in their 2007 on-line catalog recommended up to 12 lbs of boost for the 99-00 GT. In a footnote they recommended only 8 lbs for the 01-04 GTs.

[gnr_70]

cool info....love reading these things on this site!

Originally Posted by Eagle2000GT The Windsor manufacturing plant makes truck engines. The Romeo manufacturing plant makes car engines. Because of a fire at the Romeo plant, 99-00 and some 01 Mustang GTs had the Windsor motor. There are mostly minor differences between the two motors and most of the parts are interchangeable. Windsors have an 8-bolt crank, Romeos have 6. Windsor have 13 bolt valve covers, Romeos 11. I have also heard that the process to cast rods and pistons was changed in '01. Regardless, I've been told by engine builders the '00 and older 4.6s are strongers. Procharger in their 2007 on-line catalog recommended up to 12 lbs of boost for the 99-00 GT. In a footnote they recommended only 8 lbs for the 01-04 GTs.

[banned]

1000 hp on a stock cobra is nowhere near reliable. Out the box, the cobra hands down, theyre good to about 750 whp, pretty reliable there 2, the cooling mod and head fix is probly going to be needed though. But the real answer to your question is all of the mustangs have basically the same potential. Why worry about what it can do stock? Stock sucks, you can 2x the performance for 1/2 your money in modding, thats what makes mustangs tough to beat

[banned]

Originally Posted by Eagle2000GT The Windsor manufacturing plant makes truck engines. The Romeo manufacturing plant makes car engines. Because of a fire at the Romeo plant, 99-00 and some 01 Mustang GTs had the Windsor motor. There are mostly minor differences between the two motors and most of the parts are interchangeable. Windsors have an 8-bolt crank, Romeos have 6. Windsor have 13 bolt valve covers, Romeos 11. I have also heard that the process to cast rods and pistons was changed in '01. Regardless, I've been told by engine builders the '00 and older 4.6s are strongers. Procharger in their 2007 on-line catalog recommended up to 12 lbs of boost for the 99-00 GT. In a footnote they recommended only 8 lbs for the 01-04 GTs.

thats later bit is a buncha poo, the later years make a little more power due to a slightly higher compression. (this is debated imo its true) but the internals are no stronger nor weaker than the older year models. Even the 05's have the same rated rods, just better heads

[Eagle2000GT]

Originally Posted by banned thats later bit is a buncha poo, the later years make a little more power due to a slightly higher compression. (this is debated imo its true) but the internals are no stronger nor weaker than the older year models. Even the 05's have the same rated rods, just better heads

I don't know, I'm only relaying what I've been told. By the way, below is a link to the Procharger Application Guide. On page 5 is the footnote that recommends only 8 lbs of boost for 01-04 GTs. Since they have thousands of superchargers on thousands of Mustangs, I figure they are in a position to know.

http://www.procharger.com/pdf/appGuide.pdf

[banned]

thats probly due to a revision in the blower (the p1-sc stage II sometimes called the H.O.) where it can make the same power as the older unit at 10lbs with only 8lbs (keep in mind the 8lbs pulley makes more than 8psi... go figure

[matted2thefloor]

Originally Posted by banned thats later bit is a buncha poo, the later years make a little more power due to a slightly higher compression. (this is debated imo its true) but the internals are no stronger nor weaker than the older year models. Even the 05's have the same rated rods, just better heads

Glad I saw this... Is there a "stone cold" way to identify the year of an engine. My car is a 96, but was said to have a 99 motor installed before I bought it. How can I tell if he BS'd me? The 1st 4 digits of the stamped part number on the cyl heads are "XL3E", FRPP says it should be a 99 due the the "X" which by VIN standards is a 99 but even he wasn't positive! Is there a stamping on it somewhere that will indicate year?

HELP........