[Invictus]

Depends on how thick your wallet is... Most guys supercharge it to begin then get used to it and find themselves wanting much more. Some upgrade to a better supercharger capable of more boost, some tear the whole thing down and go turbo / twin turbo. In the end, the happiest guy with the most power will most likely have a nicely tuned twin turbo, or turbo setup. I'd spend a while saving and try to knock out most of what you ultimately want the first time around.

[DSG04GT]

One thing I was looking at though, a centri supercharger would work best on a lower rpm engine like the GT. Since the Cobra is a high revving engine, turbo would work great on that platform. But thats just my logic, do what fits your budget, but take into consideration the potential of your vehicle.

[gills99stang]

Originally Posted by DSG04GT I'd say go with a Procharger D1SC, thats what I'm aiming for. Twin turbo would be best for an 03-04 Cobra.

The D-1SC is what I am going to go with if I ever get around to saving up the money. I think (at least for my setup, this isn't a general statement) that the P-1 won't be enough and the F-1 is too much. Either way, Procharger rocks!

Originally Posted by Invictus Depends on how thick your wallet is... Most guys supercharge it to begin then get used to it and find themselves wanting much more. Some upgrade to a better supercharger capable of more boost, some tear the whole thing down and go turbo / twin turbo. In the end, the happiest guy with the most power will most likely have a nicely tuned twin turbo, or turbo setup. I'd spend a while saving and try to knock out most of what you ultimately want the first time around.

That's another reason I'm going with the D-1... I can start off with low psi and just up it as I feel more comfortable with it. I say if you get a blower get one that allows you to up the psi later on as you build up your engine further.

[DSG04GT]

You may also want to change that gear to a 3.73 if a procharger will be involved.

[gills99stang]

Originally Posted by DSG04GT You may also want to change that gear to a 3.73 if a procharger will be involved.

That's my plan....

[TheBusher]

Originally Posted by gills99stang Help me! I can't decide if I want a turbocharger or a supercharger!! I'm leaning towards supercharging the stang, with maybe a Novi 2000 or a Procharger D-1SC. To be honest, I don't know crap about what turbos are out there, I just know the basics of what a turbocharger is. I've been doing a lot of reading online, checking out a lot of turbo vs. super articles.. some biased opinions, some unbiased. They both seem to have their pros and cons.... but in the end, I want what would be ideally best for the setup I already have. READ: I don't want to start a turbo vs. super debate!

IMHO TT is def better then a Centri. But... cost is def a big factor.

http://kennebell.net/media/articles/BOOSTBASHpart2.pdf

[gills99stang]

Originally Posted by TheBusher Originally Posted by gills99stang Help me! I can't decide if I want a turbocharger or a supercharger!! I'm leaning towards supercharging the stang, with maybe a Novi 2000 or a Procharger D-1SC. To be honest, I don't know crap about what turbos are out there, I just know the basics of what a turbocharger is. I've been doing a lot of reading online, checking out a lot of turbo vs. super articles.. some biased opinions, some unbiased. They both seem to have their pros and cons.... but in the end, I want what would be ideally best for the setup I already have. READ: I don't want to start a turbo vs. super debate! IMHO TT is def better then a Centri. But... cost is def a big factor. http://kennebell.net/media/articles/BOOSTBASHpart2.pdf

Thanks for the linky... I'm going to have to check it out when I don't have a bunch of officers standing behind my computer while I'm at work (it sucks). Looks like a good article at first glance though. You're right though, cost is definitely an issue with 99% of the guys on this site!

[Eagle2000GT]

Fox-DR1FTer,
The entry level P-1SC Procharger is capable of providing more boost than stock rods and pistons can stand.

Gills99Stang,
You're running 318 rwhp on a built motor. What compression ratio are you running?

[gills99stang]

Originally Posted by Eagle2000GT Fox-DR1FTer, The entry level P-1SC Procharger is capable of providing more boost than stock rods and pistons can stand. Gills99Stang, You're running 318 rwhp on a built motor. What compression ratio are you running?

I believe I have the stock compression (9.5:1 ?) but I have never found out for sure. I had my engine torn apart and rebuilt about a year ago and they said they thought it was the stock compression at the shop. It was already partially built up when I bought the car, so I have never been sure.

Is there an easy way to find out?

[Eagle2000GT]

A compression gage should tell you, but I don't know the proper readings. 9.5:1 would work well with boost, but higher compression ratios don't. Sometimes n/a engine builders go with higher compression pistons.

[gills99stang]

Originally Posted by Eagle2000GT A compression gage should tell you, but I don't know the proper readings. 9.5:1 would work well with boost, but higher compression ratios don't. Sometimes n/a engine builders go with higher compression pistons.

Hey, where did you get your Meziere Electric Water Pump? I've been thinking about getting an electric water pump because I heard you can gain about 25 hp... I want to up my N/A power a little more before I blow it.

[TheBusher]

Originally Posted by gills99stang Originally Posted by Eagle2000GT A compression gage should tell you, but I don't know the proper readings. 9.5:1 would work well with boost, but higher compression ratios don't. Sometimes n/a engine builders go with higher compression pistons. Hey, where did you get your Meziere Electric Water Pump? I've been thinking about getting an electric water pump because I heard you can gain about 25 hp... I want to up my N/A power a little more before I blow it.

I think 25 hp might be a little optomistic, but I've heard they give you good gains for just a belt accessory delete.

[Thewolfman456]

If it means anything to you, my 10 second monster of a car is twin turbo.

[TheBusher]

Originally Posted by gills99stang Originally Posted by TheBusher Originally Posted by gills99stang Help me! I can't decide if I want a turbocharger or a supercharger!! I'm leaning towards supercharging the stang, with maybe a Novi 2000 or a Procharger D-1SC. To be honest, I don't know crap about what turbos are out there, I just know the basics of what a turbocharger is. I've been doing a lot of reading online, checking out a lot of turbo vs. super articles.. some biased opinions, some unbiased. They both seem to have their pros and cons.... but in the end, I want what would be ideally best for the setup I already have. READ: I don't want to start a turbo vs. super debate! IMHO TT is def better then a Centri. But... cost is def a big factor. http://kennebell.net/media/articles/BOOSTBASHpart2.pdf Thanks for the linky... I'm going to have to check it out when I don't have a bunch of officers standing behind my computer while I'm at work (it sucks). Looks like a good article at first glance though. You're right though, cost is definitely an issue with 99% of the guys on this site!

I would def read the article, it's got some really good info that may help you decide what kind of FI you want... but here's the ultra-mega-short version...

The test was performed on a stock Termi motor on an engine dyno...

Eaton Supercharger @ 14 PSI: 583 HP @ 6200 rpm and 575 TQ @ 4500 rpm

Kennebell Supercharger @ 14 PSI: 704 HP @ 6600 rpm and 595 TQ @ 4500 rpm

Vortech Supercharger @ 14 PSI: 725 HP @ 6600 rpm and 575 TQ at 6600 rpm

HP Performance TT @ 14 PSI: 830 HP @ 6500 rpm and 756 TQ @ 5100 rpm

The twin turbo out performed the Vortech at all rpm (2500 and above). It out performed the Eaton and Kennebell from 3800 rpm and above. The Centri only outperformed the Kennebell above 6400 rpm, which is pretty much redline anyways.

TT rules all!!!!

Now if only I could afford it...

[Eagle2000GT]

Originally Posted by gills99stang Originally Posted by Eagle2000GT A compression gage should tell you, but I don't know the proper readings. 9.5:1 would work well with boost, but higher compression ratios don't. Sometimes n/a engine builders go with higher compression pistons. Hey, where did you get your Meziere Electric Water Pump? I've been thinking about getting an electric water pump because I heard you can gain about 25 hp... I want to up my N/A power a little more before I blow it.

I bought the Meziere Electric Water Pump from my tuner, Exotic Performance Plus (www.exoticperformanceplus.com) when he was installing the Procharger. We ran into complications. The previous owner had installed underdrive pulleys. They don't work at all with superchargers. I could have bought a stock waterpump pulley but why go backwards.

25 hp is a whole lot optimistic. They told me that a Procharger with 8 psi would normally run 350 rwhp (Mustang Dyno). Mine got 385. The BBK 75 mm TB/Plenum has gotten 18-20 rwhp on FI motors in independent tests. I attribute most of the rest to the electric water pump. The advertisements for it say up to 11-12 hp. I believe I got that, but that is FI. N/A may be different.

My car is a daily driver. I've got 3500 miles on this set up without any problems. No signs of leaks or overheating.

[gills99stang]

Originally Posted by TheBusher Originally Posted by gills99stang Originally Posted by TheBusher Originally Posted by gills99stang Help me! I can't decide if I want a turbocharger or a supercharger!! I'm leaning towards supercharging the stang, with maybe a Novi 2000 or a Procharger D-1SC. To be honest, I don't know crap about what turbos are out there, I just know the basics of what a turbocharger is. I've been doing a lot of reading online, checking out a lot of turbo vs. super articles.. some biased opinions, some unbiased. They both seem to have their pros and cons.... but in the end, I want what would be ideally best for the setup I already have. READ: I don't want to start a turbo vs. super debate! IMHO TT is def better then a Centri. But... cost is def a big factor. http://kennebell.net/media/articles/BOOSTBASHpart2.pdf Thanks for the linky... I'm going to have to check it out when I don't have a bunch of officers standing behind my computer while I'm at work (it sucks). Looks like a good article at first glance though. You're right though, cost is definitely an issue with 99% of the guys on this site! I would def read the article, it's got some really good info that may help you decide what kind of FI you want... but here's the ultra-mega-short version... The test was performed on a stock Termi motor on an engine dyno... Eaton Supercharger @ 14 PSI: 583 HP @ 6200 rpm and 575 TQ @ 4500 rpm Kennebell Supercharger @ 14 PSI: 704 HP @ 6600 rpm and 595 TQ @ 4500 rpm Vortech Supercharger @ 14 PSI: 725 HP @ 6600 rpm and 575 TQ at 6600 rpm HP Performance TT @ 14 PSI: 830 HP @ 6500 rpm and 756 TQ @ 5100 rpm The twin turbo out performed the Vortech at all rpm (2500 and above). It out performed the Eaton and Kennebell from 3800 rpm and above. The Centri only outperformed the Kennebell above 6400 rpm, which is pretty much redline anyways. TT rules all!!!! Now if only I could afford it...

Yes but it was a TWIN turbo.... (x2 the power, right?)

I think a better matchup would be a single turbo vs. supercharger.

[gills99stang]

Originally Posted by Eagle2000GT Originally Posted by gills99stang Originally Posted by Eagle2000GT A compression gage should tell you, but I don't know the proper readings. 9.5:1 would work well with boost, but higher compression ratios don't. Sometimes n/a engine builders go with higher compression pistons. Hey, where did you get your Meziere Electric Water Pump? I've been thinking about getting an electric water pump because I heard you can gain about 25 hp... I want to up my N/A power a little more before I blow it. I bought the Meziere Electric Water Pump from my tuner, Exotic Performance Plus (www.exoticperformanceplus.com) when he was installing the Procharger. We ran into complications. The previous owner had installed underdrive pulleys. They don't work at all with superchargers. I could have bought a stock waterpump pulley but why go backwards. 25 hp is a whole lot optimistic. They told me that a Procharger with 8 psi would normally run 350 rwhp (Mustang Dyno). Mine got 385. The BBK 75 mm TB/Plenum has gotten 18-20 rwhp on FI motors in independent tests. I attribute most of the rest to the electric water pump. The advertisements for it say up to 11-12 hp. I believe I got that, but that is FI. N/A may be different. My car is a daily driver. I've got 3500 miles on this set up without any problems. No signs of leaks or overheating.

Thanks, I'll check out that web site. Yeah, 25 hp is probably a bit too optimistic.

I'm hoping to get to the 500 hp mark with a Procharger D-1SC. Since I have the internals, I plan on pushing more psi.

I'll probably get an electric water pump and an A/C delete as well, and that should free up a good bit of hp. I will miss my AC, but it is a racecar now

[TheBusher]

Originally Posted by gills99stang Originally Posted by TheBusher Originally Posted by gills99stang Originally Posted by TheBusher Originally Posted by gills99stang Help me! I can't decide if I want a turbocharger or a supercharger!! I'm leaning towards supercharging the stang, with maybe a Novi 2000 or a Procharger D-1SC. To be honest, I don't know crap about what turbos are out there, I just know the basics of what a turbocharger is. I've been doing a lot of reading online, checking out a lot of turbo vs. super articles.. some biased opinions, some unbiased. They both seem to have their pros and cons.... but in the end, I want what would be ideally best for the setup I already have. READ: I don't want to start a turbo vs. super debate! IMHO TT is def better then a Centri. But... cost is def a big factor. http://kennebell.net/media/articles/BOOSTBASHpart2.pdf Thanks for the linky... I'm going to have to check it out when I don't have a bunch of officers standing behind my computer while I'm at work (it sucks). Looks like a good article at first glance though. You're right though, cost is definitely an issue with 99% of the guys on this site! I would def read the article, it's got some really good info that may help you decide what kind of FI you want... but here's the ultra-mega-short version... The test was performed on a stock Termi motor on an engine dyno... Eaton Supercharger @ 14 PSI: 583 HP @ 6200 rpm and 575 TQ @ 4500 rpm Kennebell Supercharger @ 14 PSI: 704 HP @ 6600 rpm and 595 TQ @ 4500 rpm Vortech Supercharger @ 14 PSI: 725 HP @ 6600 rpm and 575 TQ at 6600 rpm HP Performance TT @ 14 PSI: 830 HP @ 6500 rpm and 756 TQ @ 5100 rpm The twin turbo out performed the Vortech at all rpm (2500 and above). It out performed the Eaton and Kennebell from 3800 rpm and above. The Centri only outperformed the Kennebell above 6400 rpm, which is pretty much redline anyways. TT rules all!!!! Now if only I could afford it... Yes but it was a TWIN turbo.... (x2 the power, right?) I think a better matchup would be a single turbo vs. supercharger.

If you compare a TT to a Single Turbo, the TT will spool up faster, but not have quite as much top end power. The ST will spool up a bit slower but will have a little more power up top. Just because you have a TT doesn't mean x2 power as long as they are both running the same PSI. The reason a TT will spool faster is because it uses 2 smaller turbos vs 1 large turbo. The ST will have a little more power up top though becuase the smaller turbos start to run out of breath during high revs. It's a similar effect to a roots type supercharger, but not quite as bad, but the TT can't quite keep up with natural vacume of your engine at WOT at high rpms, but it's not as big of a deal with TT as it is with a roots SC.