[WAR-PARTY]

Well if you count a new filter and better air acess to MAF it's very plausable to garner the gaines he claims.

[00vabchgt]

Originally Posted by WAR-PARTY Well if you count a new filter and better air acess to MAF it's very plausable to garner the gaines he claims.

yeah, it came with a better filter and relocated the MAF into the fenderwell...

[00vabchgt]

Originally Posted by mixedbreed02gt the stock air boxes on the 99-04's are pretty efficient...there's not a whole lot to be gained by putting an aftermarket one on. if you remove the air silencer, you'll let a little more air in, and you might like it a little better too. I just stuck a MAC Straight shot on mine, and the only thing i really noticed was the throttle response is a little better, but that's about it.

and if you're judging your mods based on "feel" alone, how do you know what you actually gained? but yeah, you're right. putting your car on a dyno is "stupid"...

[mixedbreed02gt]

Originally Posted by 00vabchgt i dynoed the car after i bought the car to see what kind of power i was making. i had a few mods, nothing major. then i bought a JLT and dyno'd it again to see how much i gained. i didn't have it tuned, but i tuned it on the dyno ecause the JLT leaned out my A/F ratio. sorry if you think it's stupid to dyno your car after you mod it. i kinda like to know how much power my car is making and also to see the A/F. if i hadn't i could've wound up with a big problem due to the lean A/f. yeah, you're right, it's stupid to dyno your car after you mod it. i really must be an idiot. and i don't have to show you my dyno sheets to prove shit to you. if you don't believe that a CAI adds hp and tq, you should probably re-examine who you call an idiot...

all im saying is it's stupid to tune and dyno after 1 mod. smart people would do several mods at once to make it worth their while.

also since you don't wanna prove what you're saying, you're full of it.

[mixedbreed02gt]

Originally Posted by 00vabchgt and if you're judging your mods based on "feel" alone, how do you know what you actually gained? but yeah, you're right. putting your car on a dyno is "stupid"...

dont take what i said out of context. tuning and dynoing for just 1 mod is not smart nor cost efficient

[00vabchgt]

all i paid for was the dyno time. $55 for 3 pulls with a/f. i used my predator to correct the a/f issues after each pull. sit there and call me names all you want, i know what i did. why would i lie about gaining hp from a CAI when it's obvious that CAI's add power? it's ridiculous for you to sit there and try to tell people that CAI's don't add power over the stock airbox. if that were true, companies that make CAI's (like JLT) would be out of business. JLT is local for me, and they just recently expanded their location. business is good. must be because CAI's do make more power than the stock air box. companies that make CAI's do a lot of research (on a dyno, not the "seat of the pants" method you seem to favor) before releasing their products to the market. maybe you should do a little research and actually know what you're talking about before you decide to open your mouth and unleash your ignorance...

[gills99stang]

Originally Posted by mixedbreed02gt until i see dyno papers, that's exactly what you're full of. i find it hard to believe you dyno'd your car just to put on a CAI, and then put it on and dyno'd again. what else was installed with it? if nothing, you're an idiot for tuning a car for just a CAI.

Easy there killer! Bottom line, if you would read what these other guys have been trying to say, is that there is a ton of gains, but they are definitely there. All of these CAI companies wouldn't be in business if there wasnt any. Look at JLT for example. That's pretty much all they make, and they have sold tons of them. I would say more guys on this site own a JLT CAI than any other brand.

If you do just a little research online then you'll find out that there are lots of dyno sheets out there showing the before and after effects of a CAI install. HMUSN posted one, I'm sure you can also find them on the web sites for JLT, MAC, BBK, etc....

One last thing... half the reason I love a good CAI is because of the engine sound it frees up. I don't think you're a true Mustang fan if you don't like to hear more engine growl.

[DanTheMan]

Originally Posted by 00vabchgt all i paid for was the dyno time. $55 for 3 pulls with a/f. i used my predator to correct the a/f issues after each pull. sit there and call me names all you want, i know what i did. why would i lie about gaining hp from a CAI when it's obvious that CAI's add power? it's ridiculous for you to sit there and try to tell people that CAI's don't add power over the stock airbox. if that were true, companies that make CAI's (like JLT) would be out of business. JLT is local for me, and they just recently expanded their location. business is good. must be because CAI's do make more power than the stock air box. companies that make CAI's do a lot of research (on a dyno, not the "seat of the pants" method you seem to favor) before releasing their products to the market. maybe you should do a little research and actually know what you're talking about before you decide to open your mouth and unleash your ignorance...

may i ask where you dyno'd?

[gills99stang]

Probably at DynoTune Performance, a local shop that a lot of us go to here in Chesepeake, VA. Their web site is DTPracing.com.

[DanTheMan]

appreciate it man, i just wanna see what my gt throws down

[DanTheMan]

just looked and it's 75 for three pulls and an extra 25 for a printout.. oh well money well spent i suppose

[00vabchgt]

Originally Posted by DanTheMan may i ask where you dyno'd?

All Aspects in Chesapeake. Kienan has an AWD dyno, since he gets a lot of import business. actually it was a buddy of mine with a WRX that recommended him. Kienen has a nasty STi, but he also used to drive Mustangs, so he does know what he's talking about. he can't really tune our cars, though, that's why i'm going to take the car to DTP once the new bottom end is broken in. but if you just want to see what kind of numbers you're putting down, you can check him out...

[DanTheMan]

thanks man i might head out there when it warms up. haha and once i get my kb s/c and forged bottom i'm gonna try to get top on the top 10 dyno list

[GTNorm]

Usually you get 3 runs for 75$ ... maybe he did an initial run to see where he started then slapped it on and did his 2nd and 3rd run. If not, I'd use this story anyways. LOL

[Trick Tuners]

Originally Posted by mixedbreed02gt sorry...it's wasteful to spend the time and money tuning your car when the only thing you added was a CAI.

Well if more people dyno tested products it would keep the manufacturers more honest. Tuning a car after a CAI is not wasteful. Some CAIs can lean out your AF at wot by a point or more, but i guess you can always turn a blind eye to whats really going on in the motor and assume that everything is safe. Its always a good idea to re-tune if you alter ANYTHING in front or behind the maf. If you move the maf entirely then its crazy not to retune. Granted its probably not going to cause any issues running a point lean on a stock car with a CAI, but if you drive your car hard for extended periods (racing) you may experience detonation. If you have any HCI mods then its really important to re-tune after a CAI install.

[1bad281]

I have to Admit i dynod my car when i installed a CAI. MAC to be exact. It helps that my buddy owns a shop that has a dyno so it didnt cost me anything. I was kinda pissed off at the results. i gained 1.7 horse and 3 ft/lbs torque. I knew i wouldnt get much i was hoping for maybe 5 horse. If i would have known that before i bought it i would have spent the money on the caster and camber plates that i need oh so bad.

[00vabchgt]

like i kept saying, there's nothing wrong with dynoing your car to see what you gained by putting it on. it seems like mixedbreed02gt just felt like being an asshole that day or something...

[DanTheMan]

jeez this is still going on???

[07stanggt]

by definition a cold air intake is anything that draws air from anywhere except right over the manifold. Back in the day if you remember the breather sat right over the carb, which is the hottest place on the planet to get air from. So you run a hose to the fender or pull air from outside with a hoodscoop to or some even pulled from under the car to get a cool/ram air affect. But that is where the term cold air intake came from. So stock your stang and i think every car made now does come with a cold air intake. The aftermarket cai are really just freer flowing than stock and not getting any cooler air, they are pulling from the same place how could it be cooler. Now with some type of a more heat resistance inlet elbow i guess you could keep the air cooler, but the air is traveling so fast through there i doubt it would make that much of a difference. I think engines typically produce 5% more hp for every 30 degrees of cooler intake air. I doubt any inlet tube is making even 5 degrees of difference.

[Evil Klown]

Hello everyone I'm new to the forums and was reading this and thought i'd put my two cents in. Anyways i got this book called Building 4.6L horsepower on the dyno where they test stock vs aftermarket throttle bodies and upper intake on a 4.6L 2V with CNC ported heads, Xtreme Energy cams, F.A.S.T. fuel system, electic water pump and Hooker tub headers.
Here's the baseline of the engine with stock TB and upper intake
393hp @ 6,000 rpm
383 ft-lbs @ 4,800 rpm
They replaced the stock TB and upper intake with an Accufab 75mm TB and Elbow
Heres the resulting number
406hp @ 6,000 rpm

Now consider that all these test were done at the flywheel and not in car, so once you consider the friction loss of the drivline and tires it will pull the HP down a bit.