Gears or Headers?

acuboost · May 9th, 2008, 10:41 AM

Got the S&L and tuner, any thoughts on what to do next, 3.73 gears or MAC direct fit header leaving the rst of the exhaust stock?

I'll say it before anyone else does, no I don't need head grear

03TropicGt · May 9th, 2008, 10:49 AM

if you want headers id do longtubes shorties are a waste for power gains. and if you do longtubes you will need a shorty midpipe. gears will prob be cheaper

1Badsnake · May 9th, 2008, 10:50 AM

gears!

acuboost · May 9th, 2008, 10:54 AM

recommendation for the shorty pipe?

07stanggt · May 9th, 2008, 11:52 AM

What do you like H pipe, X pipe, Prochamber?

And dont listen to 03 guys on header issues. Your car will not see the gains from long tubes that an 03 would see. Guys expecting 20+ horsepower gains with long tubes on s197s get their feelings hurt real quick.

Shortys can show good mid rang HP and TQ gains on your car for a lot less money then longtubes. You wont see the top end gains that long tubes bring but 10 and 12 midrange hp and tq gains are hardly a waste of money. matter of fact for a street car they are just a valuable.

Think about this for a second, I spent 1900 on exhuast. The best on the market, kooks catted x pipe with magnaflow cat back into magnapacks. I got a full race exhuast and i gained 12hp. Thats a $158.33 a hp. And the o/r kooks setup only picks up about 3 more hp. I have seen it. 4 guys on this site with long tubes on n/a s197s and all of them have only seen 10 to 12 hp.

Sn95 stangs and older see much higher gains with long tubes, and they think that we will as well. We dont.

I sell both and will make more off you if you buy long tubes. Im not trying to steer you either way.

Shorty's with a splice in prochamber or and x pipe and you can some decent power gains. spend a 1/3 of the money and stay street legal. Just a thought.

969800gt · May 9th, 2008, 12:32 PM

gears!

07stanggt · May 9th, 2008, 12:36 PM

Yea and deffinatly from a performance standpoint gears are the way to go.

acuboost · May 9th, 2008, 01:37 PM

Point well taken. not done a lot of research on the difference of pipes and that's when you peeps come in handy with all your experience.
Richard: Get me a couple of options and cost and and I will get this done today hopefully

Roos85 · May 18th, 2008, 04:01 PM

Gears

1TITAN · May 24th, 2008, 01:33 AM

thats right screw high way drive ablility

RAGEman · May 24th, 2008, 07:13 AM

I went with MAC LT's, O/R Prochamber, and MAC Catback and my car sounds absolutely sick. My buddy has SLP LM2's and an O/R H-pipe and thinks my car has the best sound he has ever heard. Go with the Prochamber.

TheUNZippee! · May 24th, 2008, 07:36 AM

Gears. I have 4.10's in my 07, and have not lost any highway driveability at all.

Gears are the best bang for your buck. It's a very noticeable difference, although 3.73's will not be as noticeable of a difference unless your car is running the 3.31's currently.

KarenCaren · May 26th, 2008, 10:21 PM

Yeah I would go for gears too. I agree with TheUNZippee. Boost up your drive performance.

Just my 2 cents

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streetracer · May 30th, 2008, 11:39 AM

gears...definitely gears....best mod i ever got

HMUSN · May 30th, 2008, 11:41 AM

^ welcome to the forums.

+1 on the gears

white_fang · May 30th, 2008, 01:29 PM

gears man
exuast is exuast they do the same thing

acehogg69 · May 31st, 2008, 11:46 PM

Gears, you can drop money on exhaust trying to find that right sound.

StuTheMusicEngineer · June 3rd, 2008, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by 1TITAN

thats right screw high way drive ablility

i got 4.10s with great Highway drive ability!! 23mpg at 75mph ( i got 26mpg stock with 3.27s)....drop it in 3rd at 65mph, and Im gone...4th gear is awesome on the highway, I almost never wanna shift to 5th! although I got good passing power in 5th gear too.... I get 15mpg around town driving hard...

4.10s ftw!!! best mod I've done so far!

beckerb · June 3rd, 2008, 06:47 AM

If you go with gears think about 410 vrs 373...I tried both on my MACH I and the 410s get me better times in the 1/8th and the 1/4th.....

00vabchgt · June 3rd, 2008, 07:05 AM

i'd go with gears first and i wouldn't waste my time with shorty headers...

May 9th, 2008, 10:41 AM	#1
acuboost Regular 2007 GT/CS 5 Speed Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Overland Park, Kansas Posts: 382 iTrader: 0 reviews	Gears or Headers? Got the S&L and tuner, any thoughts on what to do next, 3.73 gears or MAC direct fit header leaving the rst of the exhaust stock? I'll say it before anyone else does, no I don't need head grear __________________ [SIGPIC][ C&L CAI, Diablo Predator BAMA 93 Oct Racer Pypes L/T's, O/R Pypes X-Pipe Pypes Street Pro FRPP 4.10, Steed UDP

May 9th, 2008, 10:54 AM	#4
acuboost Regular 2007 GT/CS 5 Speed Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Overland Park, Kansas Posts: 382 iTrader: 0 reviews	recommendation for the shorty pipe? __________________ [SIGPIC][ C&L CAI, Diablo Predator BAMA 93 Oct Racer Pypes L/T's, O/R Pypes X-Pipe Pypes Street Pro FRPP 4.10, Steed UDP

May 9th, 2008, 01:37 PM	#8
acuboost Regular 2007 GT/CS 5 Speed Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Overland Park, Kansas Posts: 382 iTrader: 0 reviews	Point well taken. not done a lot of research on the difference of pipes and that's when you peeps come in handy with all your experience. Richard: Get me a couple of options and cost and and I will get this done today hopefully __________________ [SIGPIC][ C&L CAI, Diablo Predator BAMA 93 Oct Racer Pypes L/T's, O/R Pypes X-Pipe Pypes Street Pro FRPP 4.10, Steed UDP

May 18th, 2008, 04:01 PM	#9
Roos85 Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 805 iTrader: 3 reviews	Gears __________________ 2004 Comp Orange GT - SLP Loudmouth, Pypes O/R X Pipe w/mils, Steeda Tri-ax, JLT Ram Air

May 24th, 2008, 01:33 AM	#10
1TITAN Regular 01 mustang gt 13.98@100 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 265 iTrader: 0 reviews	thats right screw high way drive ablility __________________ destroy in the turns, then obliterate on the straightaway 01 GT 4.6/20 over cold air intake/70 mm throttle body mac longtube headers/custome H pipe/moroso spiral mufflers to side exhaust computer tune race seats / 5 point harness

May 9th, 2008, 10:49 AM	#2
03TropicGt Enthusiast 2003 Mustang GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 551 iTrader: 0 reviews	if you want headers id do longtubes shorties are a waste for power gains. and if you do longtubes you will need a shorty midpipe. gears will prob be cheaper

May 9th, 2008, 10:50 AM	#3
1Badsnake Regular 2003 Mustang Cobra Join Date: May 2007 Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia Posts: 217 iTrader: 0 reviews	gears!

May 9th, 2008, 11:52 AM	#5
07stanggt I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2007 GT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ellicott City, MD Posts: 11,950 iTrader: 1 reviews	What do you like H pipe, X pipe, Prochamber? And dont listen to 03 guys on header issues. Your car will not see the gains from long tubes that an 03 would see. Guys expecting 20+ horsepower gains with long tubes on s197s get their feelings hurt real quick. Shortys can show good mid rang HP and TQ gains on your car for a lot less money then longtubes. You wont see the top end gains that long tubes bring but 10 and 12 midrange hp and tq gains are hardly a waste of money. matter of fact for a street car they are just a valuable. Think about this for a second, I spent 1900 on exhuast. The best on the market, kooks catted x pipe with magnaflow cat back into magnapacks. I got a full race exhuast and i gained 12hp. Thats a $158.33 a hp. And the o/r kooks setup only picks up about 3 more hp. I have seen it. 4 guys on this site with long tubes on n/a s197s and all of them have only seen 10 to 12 hp. Sn95 stangs and older see much higher gains with long tubes, and they think that we will as well. We dont. I sell both and will make more off you if you buy long tubes. Im not trying to steer you either way. Shorty's with a splice in prochamber or and x pipe and you can some decent power gains. spend a 1/3 of the money and stay street legal. Just a thought.

May 9th, 2008, 12:32 PM	#6
969800gt Regular '98 GT & '96 Civic Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 143 iTrader: 0 reviews	gears!

May 9th, 2008, 12:36 PM	#7
07stanggt I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2007 GT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ellicott City, MD Posts: 11,950 iTrader: 1 reviews	Yea and deffinatly from a performance standpoint gears are the way to go.

May 24th, 2008, 07:13 AM	#11
RAGEman Enthusiast 1965 Mustang Fastback N/A Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: La Porte, Texas Posts: 819 iTrader: 0 reviews	I went with MAC LT's, O/R Prochamber, and MAC Catback and my car sounds absolutely sick. My buddy has SLP LM2's and an O/R H-pipe and thinks my car has the best sound he has ever heard. Go with the Prochamber.

May 26th, 2008, 10:21 PM	#13
KarenCaren Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 14 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yeah I would go for gears too. I agree with TheUNZippee. Boost up your drive performance. Just my 2 cents __________________ See automotive news and stories only at autopartswarehouse blog

May 30th, 2008, 11:39 AM	#14
streetracer Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 29 iTrader: 0 reviews	gears...definitely gears....best mod i ever got __________________ "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them." John Wayne

May 30th, 2008, 11:41 AM	#15
HMUSN Doc 1986 SVO 48.47@ 12.58 Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 37,050 iTrader: 11 reviews	^ welcome to the forums. +1 on the gears __________________

May 30th, 2008, 01:29 PM	#16
white_fang Banned 1996,mustang around 5's 0-60 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: maybee Posts: 747 iTrader: 0 reviews	gears man exuast is exuast they do the same thing

May 31st, 2008, 11:46 PM	#17
acehogg69 Hardcore Enthusiast 06 GT with bolt ons I sucked Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cheese country!! aka WI Posts: 1,090 iTrader: 0 reviews	Gears, you can drop money on exhaust trying to find that right sound. __________________ Kyle Busch Haters Club!! Member Uno! Tony wrote "Blowers blow, turbos suck, and nitrous rules!!! lol " Borla cattless L/T's topped with Flowmasters , Roush short throw, JLT2 CAI w/ X-CAL2 from Brenspeed, Bullit 18X9 and 18X10 deep dish.

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June 3rd, 2008, 06:47 AM	#19
beckerb Regular 2004 Mach 1 -Pro Charger Join Date: May 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 70 iTrader: 0 reviews	If you go with gears think about 410 vrs 373...I tried both on my MACH I and the 410s get me better times in the 1/8th and the 1/4th..... __________________ 2007 Dodge SRT-8 Superbee 2007 Hemi Quad Cab 4X4 2004 Ford MACH I Mustang, Pro-Charger 535 RWHP 2002 Viper SRT-10 575RWHP, 1985 Mustang GT 1992 Stealth RT TT 633.9 AWHP 1992 Stealth RT

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