The Official Suspension Guide

PapaSmurf · September 2nd, 2009, 03:05 AM

Thanks for all the help bro!

HBK_2007 · September 14th, 2009, 07:29 PM

what kinda suspension mods does it take to do a wheelie?

ModMustang97GT · September 16th, 2009, 12:51 PM

You can do it with the stock set up if you have enough power. The requirements to do it repeatedly are more along the lines of stong parts so the car won't break.

I'd say if you have about 800rwhp and sticky enough tires, you can get the tires off the ground if you have a tubular front k memeber, a arms and no sway bar. Coil overs all around. A new set of extreme duty rear lower control arms, a set of adjustable uppers. Full Cage and some fat ass slicks. Very doable. Remember, the lightness up front makes it easier, and the traction makes it happen. Nothing more than your normal suspension parts are required. Its really more about the power and traction.

HBK_2007 · September 16th, 2009, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by ModMustang97GT

You can do it with the stock set up if you have enough power. The requirements to do it repeatedly are more along the lines of stong parts so the car won't break.

I'd say if you have about 800rwhp and sticky enough tires, you can get the tires off the ground if you have a tubular front k memeber, a arms and no sway bar. Coil overs all around. A new set of extreme duty rear lower control arms, a set of adjustable uppers. Full Cage and some fat ass slicks. Very doable. Remember, the lightness up front makes it easier, and the traction makes it happen. Nothing more than your normal suspension parts are required. Its really more about the power and traction.

could it be done N/A (about 350 vs 800 rwhp)? i think that would be awesome to be at a stop light, have some douch civic pull up and wanna race, then do a wheelie

Thumbie · September 16th, 2009, 10:10 PM

you would have to do a faaaat burnout to heat up your faat slicks first

ModMustang97GT · September 17th, 2009, 09:10 PM

If you had some hugely fatty slicks. A total drag suspension set up. All tubular front with an aluminum block and every lightening thing you can find. You might be able to pop a wheely at a light with 400hp. But its going to be REALLY unlikely.

With street slicks there was a guy I knew of on Mustang Forums running a 800hp KB termi, that could get his front wheels off the ground on the street. Not a full on wheelie, but he could hop them off the ground. This guy had the works for suspension though. Were talking an all out drag car.

On the street you have to also remember, there is no rubber groove to help your traction. So you have to really have monster traction and power to even think about popping that thing off the ground. Now move the engine into the trunk, now you might have a chance.

HBK_2007 · September 18th, 2009, 11:44 AM

oh dang, there goes that idea

Thumbie · September 18th, 2009, 01:43 PM

ha ha well it was a good question, though. I kinda wanted to know, too

HorsepoweR · September 19th, 2009, 02:33 PM

I got a question, if you have bad shocks will they make a noise that sounds like metal on metal clanking?

TorqueO · September 20th, 2009, 05:29 PM

Ok seeing that this is a suspension guide I have a question on rear coil overs.

Just installed some MMR rear coilovers 12"-250lbs springs with Comp Engineering 3 way drag shocks and not happy. The shocks are set at 50/50. The Mustang sits at stock ride height or a bit higher. I have adjusted it so that there are only 4 threads still left.
Why am I having this problem?
The rear of the mustang is sitting 3 1/2" higher than the front. The front has Eibachs sport lines and Tokico struts.
Everything went in smooth and was to remove a "rear upper shock mount" but could not see or find any.

ModMustang97GT · September 20th, 2009, 10:36 PM

The bad shocks may make a clunking sound if they are bottoming out and stuff. I would take it to a shop though, its hard to diagnose a sound without hearing it.

The rear coil overs has a couple of things. One is, everything is installed correctly? Next, are you sure that is the correct spring length. I believe you can get a 10" spring that will give you a greater range of adjustability. I would call Maximum Motorsports and talk to them, they are fantastic to talk to.

HorsepoweR · September 21st, 2009, 12:34 AM

alright, thanx man

Thumbie · September 21st, 2009, 02:33 AM

torque: how many miles are on the springs? it takes a couple hundred for them to settle

TorqueO · September 21st, 2009, 08:32 AM

Thanks guys!
The springs are brand new and everything was install according to the instructions. Didn't even take it out for fear of doing damage.
I was also told last night that maybe I should have gone with a shorter spring.
I'm going to call MMR in a couple of hours and see if they can shead some light.
I will post up what they say, I was trying to figure this out without calling them oh well.

ModMustang97GT · September 21st, 2009, 01:18 PM

In general I would agree, but Maximum Motorsports are such great guys to talk to. I wouldn't hesitate calling them.

Its true the spring will settle, but they will not settle 3 inches.

EscortSportage · September 21st, 2009, 01:47 PM

heres my question, if u really want ur stang to handle and carve corners, why dont u just convert to a 03-04 cobra IRS and scrap the donkey kart technology for a rear end. I keep debating this...

HBK_2007 · September 21st, 2009, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by EscortSportage

heres my question, if u really want ur stang to handle and carve corners, why dont u just convert to a 03-04 cobra IRS and scrap the donkey kart technology for a rear end. I keep debating this...

thats been discussed alot in this thread if u read the whole thing

EscortSportage · September 21st, 2009, 02:01 PM

damn lol, i read up to the 4th page then skipped. maybe i shouldnt have done that

TorqueO · September 21st, 2009, 07:33 PM

OK I called MMR before noon E.S.T. (Modular Mustang Racing...they are a good brand and pretty much equal to MM) and we discussed all of the questions I had. Ended up that everything was done correctly, it is just the height of the spring was way to much. MMR told me to go with a 10" spring but I opted for a 9" spring seeing that I have all that adjustment. I might take pics after the shorter springs are installed.

ModMustang97GT · September 21st, 2009, 09:58 PM

Sounds about right.

The IRS question has been torn apart pretty good. The best answer I have not seen yet though. There was a guy posting a while back about their IRS set up that they put in instead of the 3 link set up. I want to see what their results are since the switch.

To answer the question simply, the IRS is actually a bit worse than the 3 link. You can read the rest of the thread for the reasoning.

September 2nd, 2009, 03:05 AM	#261
PapaSmurf Hardcore Enthusiast 2003 Mustang GT 13.86 @ 100.87 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: VA Beach, VA Posts: 1,496	Thanks for all the help bro! __________________ mods listed in garage

September 14th, 2009, 07:29 PM	#262
HBK_2007 Genibus Nitito Canus 1996 Mustang GT next year Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 2,166	what kinda suspension mods does it take to do a wheelie? __________________ Red 1996 GT: JLT RAI, Steeda Underdrive pullies, Stewart Waterpump; nothing to brag about Black 2009 45th aniverary edition GT 5 speed: K&N CAI, BBK Twin 62mm Throttle Body, BBK Underdrive Pullies, some type of exhaust, "leveling kit"

September 16th, 2009, 12:51 PM	#263
ModMustang97GT Hardcore Enthusiast 1997 Mustang GT Faster than an s4 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,315	You can do it with the stock set up if you have enough power. The requirements to do it repeatedly are more along the lines of stong parts so the car won't break. I'd say if you have about 800rwhp and sticky enough tires, you can get the tires off the ground if you have a tubular front k memeber, a arms and no sway bar. Coil overs all around. A new set of extreme duty rear lower control arms, a set of adjustable uppers. Full Cage and some fat ass slicks. Very doable. Remember, the lightness up front makes it easier, and the traction makes it happen. Nothing more than your normal suspension parts are required. Its really more about the power and traction. __________________ Aztec Gold 97GT. MM CC Plates, Panhard Bar, SFC's & Tower Brace Eibach Sway Bars H&R Race Springs/Bilstein Shocks MAC CAI, LT's, Catted H and Pro-Dumps KB Boost-a-Spark PI Swap Spun Main Bearing... Author of The Official Suspension Guide

September 16th, 2009, 10:10 PM	#265
Thumbie Regular '96 Mustang GT 15.52@90.4 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 263	you would have to do a faaaat burnout to heat up your faat slicks first __________________ Eibach Sportlines and Pro-Dampers, Flowmaster 40's

September 17th, 2009, 09:10 PM	#266
ModMustang97GT Hardcore Enthusiast 1997 Mustang GT Faster than an s4 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,315	If you had some hugely fatty slicks. A total drag suspension set up. All tubular front with an aluminum block and every lightening thing you can find. You might be able to pop a wheely at a light with 400hp. But its going to be REALLY unlikely. With street slicks there was a guy I knew of on Mustang Forums running a 800hp KB termi, that could get his front wheels off the ground on the street. Not a full on wheelie, but he could hop them off the ground. This guy had the works for suspension though. Were talking an all out drag car. On the street you have to also remember, there is no rubber groove to help your traction. So you have to really have monster traction and power to even think about popping that thing off the ground. Now move the engine into the trunk, now you might have a chance. __________________ Aztec Gold 97GT. MM CC Plates, Panhard Bar, SFC's & Tower Brace Eibach Sway Bars H&R Race Springs/Bilstein Shocks MAC CAI, LT's, Catted H and Pro-Dumps KB Boost-a-Spark PI Swap Spun Main Bearing... Author of The Official Suspension Guide

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September 18th, 2009, 11:44 AM	#267
HBK_2007 Genibus Nitito Canus 1996 Mustang GT next year Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 2,166	oh dang, there goes that idea __________________ Red 1996 GT: JLT RAI, Steeda Underdrive pullies, Stewart Waterpump; nothing to brag about Black 2009 45th aniverary edition GT 5 speed: K&N CAI, BBK Twin 62mm Throttle Body, BBK Underdrive Pullies, some type of exhaust, "leveling kit"

September 18th, 2009, 01:43 PM	#268
Thumbie Regular '96 Mustang GT 15.52@90.4 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 263	ha ha well it was a good question, though. I kinda wanted to know, too __________________ Eibach Sportlines and Pro-Dampers, Flowmaster 40's

September 19th, 2009, 02:33 PM	#269
HorsepoweR Regular 1996 Cobra N/A Yet Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: McHenry, iLLinois Posts: 269	I got a question, if you have bad shocks will they make a noise that sounds like metal on metal clanking? __________________ .:.Mods In Garage.:. Found On Road Dominating MM Fantasy Football - SVT SNAKES - 7-3 Xbox360 Tag - SVT JUGGALO

September 20th, 2009, 05:29 PM	#270
TorqueO Regular Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stratford, CT Posts: 123	Ok seeing that this is a suspension guide I have a question on rear coil overs. Just installed some MMR rear coilovers 12"-250lbs springs with Comp Engineering 3 way drag shocks and not happy. The shocks are set at 50/50. The Mustang sits at stock ride height or a bit higher. I have adjusted it so that there are only 4 threads still left. Why am I having this problem? The rear of the mustang is sitting 3 1/2" higher than the front. The front has Eibachs sport lines and Tokico struts. Everything went in smooth and was to remove a "rear upper shock mount" but could not see or find any. Last edited by TorqueO : September 20th, 2009 at 05:32 PM.

September 20th, 2009, 10:36 PM	#271
ModMustang97GT Hardcore Enthusiast 1997 Mustang GT Faster than an s4 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,315	The bad shocks may make a clunking sound if they are bottoming out and stuff. I would take it to a shop though, its hard to diagnose a sound without hearing it. The rear coil overs has a couple of things. One is, everything is installed correctly? Next, are you sure that is the correct spring length. I believe you can get a 10" spring that will give you a greater range of adjustability. I would call Maximum Motorsports and talk to them, they are fantastic to talk to. __________________ Aztec Gold 97GT. MM CC Plates, Panhard Bar, SFC's & Tower Brace Eibach Sway Bars H&R Race Springs/Bilstein Shocks MAC CAI, LT's, Catted H and Pro-Dumps KB Boost-a-Spark PI Swap Spun Main Bearing... Author of The Official Suspension Guide

September 21st, 2009, 12:34 AM	#272
HorsepoweR Regular 1996 Cobra N/A Yet Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: McHenry, iLLinois Posts: 269	alright, thanx man __________________ .:.Mods In Garage.:. Found On Road Dominating MM Fantasy Football - SVT SNAKES - 7-3 Xbox360 Tag - SVT JUGGALO

September 21st, 2009, 02:33 AM	#273
Thumbie Regular '96 Mustang GT 15.52@90.4 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 263	torque: how many miles are on the springs? it takes a couple hundred for them to settle __________________ Eibach Sportlines and Pro-Dampers, Flowmaster 40's

September 21st, 2009, 08:32 AM	#274
TorqueO Regular Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stratford, CT Posts: 123	Thanks guys! The springs are brand new and everything was install according to the instructions. Didn't even take it out for fear of doing damage. I was also told last night that maybe I should have gone with a shorter spring. I'm going to call MMR in a couple of hours and see if they can shead some light. I will post up what they say, I was trying to figure this out without calling them oh well.

September 21st, 2009, 01:18 PM	#275
ModMustang97GT Hardcore Enthusiast 1997 Mustang GT Faster than an s4 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,315	In general I would agree, but Maximum Motorsports are such great guys to talk to. I wouldn't hesitate calling them. Its true the spring will settle, but they will not settle 3 inches. __________________ Aztec Gold 97GT. MM CC Plates, Panhard Bar, SFC's & Tower Brace Eibach Sway Bars H&R Race Springs/Bilstein Shocks MAC CAI, LT's, Catted H and Pro-Dumps KB Boost-a-Spark PI Swap Spun Main Bearing... Author of The Official Suspension Guide

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September 21st, 2009, 01:47 PM	#276
EscortSportage Enthusiast 1989 Mustang GT 5.0 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT Posts: 562	heres my question, if u really want ur stang to handle and carve corners, why dont u just convert to a 03-04 cobra IRS and scrap the donkey kart technology for a rear end. I keep debating this... __________________ CAI,MSD,Xhaust Ctrl arms,TRQ boxes, SubFrame Connectors EiBach/Tokico Front/Rear strut/shock braces CheaterSlicks 3.55's "a huge bad azz motor is nice untill you have to turn or stop"

September 21st, 2009, 02:01 PM	#278
EscortSportage Enthusiast 1989 Mustang GT 5.0 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT Posts: 562	damn lol, i read up to the 4th page then skipped. maybe i shouldnt have done that __________________ CAI,MSD,Xhaust Ctrl arms,TRQ boxes, SubFrame Connectors EiBach/Tokico Front/Rear strut/shock braces CheaterSlicks 3.55's "a huge bad azz motor is nice untill you have to turn or stop"

September 21st, 2009, 07:33 PM	#279
TorqueO Regular Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stratford, CT Posts: 123	OK I called MMR before noon E.S.T. (Modular Mustang Racing...they are a good brand and pretty much equal to MM) and we discussed all of the questions I had. Ended up that everything was done correctly, it is just the height of the spring was way to much. MMR told me to go with a 10" spring but I opted for a 9" spring seeing that I have all that adjustment. I might take pics after the shorter springs are installed.

September 21st, 2009, 09:58 PM	#280
ModMustang97GT Hardcore Enthusiast 1997 Mustang GT Faster than an s4 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,315	Sounds about right. The IRS question has been torn apart pretty good. The best answer I have not seen yet though. There was a guy posting a while back about their IRS set up that they put in instead of the 3 link set up. I want to see what their results are since the switch. To answer the question simply, the IRS is actually a bit worse than the 3 link. You can read the rest of the thread for the reasoning. __________________ Aztec Gold 97GT. MM CC Plates, Panhard Bar, SFC's & Tower Brace Eibach Sway Bars H&R Race Springs/Bilstein Shocks MAC CAI, LT's, Catted H and Pro-Dumps KB Boost-a-Spark PI Swap Spun Main Bearing... Author of The Official Suspension Guide