[Killax15]

Hey let me ask you guys a question i have a 2000 mustang gt and im turbocharging it so clearance is a big thing for me however i would like a good suspension set up i was thinking of getting a front coil over kit from MMR which also includes a k member and a new A arm from them from what i understand there suspension kits are replicas of Maximum motor sport.. As for the front suspension is that a good set up? As for the rear im thinking of doin a rear coil over kit with panhard bar and torque arm

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by Killax15 Hey let me ask you guys a question i have a 2000 mustang gt and im turbocharging it so clearance is a big thing for me however i would like a good suspension set up i was thinking of getting a front coil over kit from MMR which also includes a k member and a new A arm from them from what i understand there suspension kits are replicas of Maximum motor sport.. As for the front suspension is that a good set up? As for the rear im thinking of doin a rear coil over kit with panhard bar and torque arm

For suspension, sure, though I'd go with the actual MM piece rather than a knockoff. The one bad thing is that I've heard the MM piece is a little tighter in regards to headers, so I'm not sure that it's the way you'll want to go if clearance is your biggest reason to go with an aftermarket k-member.

[ModMustang97GT]

Call Maximum Motorsports for more information. But, from what I have found. The Maximum Motorsports pieces are better made pieces than the knock offs. Same designs or not, there is a quality difference. The MM piece has excelent clearance and everything. They have K members specifically designed for Turbo set ups, just call ahead of time to make sure the one you are doing will fit.

[ModMustang97GT]

Originally Posted by simon94 u can check out specs here Suspension Specs i'm thinking of getting these in future Ford Racing C Springs (M5300C) fronts 650 (linear) rear 200-300 (progressive, solid axle)

Simon, If you really like those springs. I would recommend the Bullit package from ford. You can buy the suspension set up for a bullit from the link below. The springs are very very close to the C springs and the kit comes with shocks and sway bar to match. Its an awesome deal if this is the set up you want.

Bullitt Mustang Suspension Kit - 94-04 Mustangs - StangSuspension.com

[HBK_2007]

thats an interesting site, wonder if theres one for the sn95s

[simon94]

yah thanks already know about that kit and the mach 1 kit, i don't want to get them cause i heard the swy bars are not much better than stock, my spec stock sway bars are 30mm front 23mm rear, from sean hyland book recomends 35mm swy bar front and the add on steeda ajustable sway rear which alows the use of softer springs but oviuosly still using--(stiffer/higher rate than stock)

my stock springs spes are 410lbs linear font and 230lbs rear, i was thinking of going with c springs for front at 650lbs it might be a little too stiff maybe 600lbs spring rate would be better and just leave the stock rear springs alone or chopping off a coil to get the proper rake.

after i got car back with all poly bushings to stifen up front suspension i noticed a great improvent in rear traction/handling but a little rear noise while driving which is fine, great for me, so it is true when u stiffen up the front u get softer rear which equals better traction to fix my oversteer problem, and just waiting for some rain to test it out.

[simon94]

Killax15
qua1 k member kits are cheaper.

tubular k member/coil over kits are primarly recomended for drag racing to reduce weight but not a fan for street or track use--acording to sean hyland book. here's why.
moly tubing is more brittle than mild steel and can crack after a while, then u need to weld.

high maitenance..

so if u really want one get mild steel--kenny brown k member, i want one too cause they look really cool and would be a fun project to work on, but for now i'm just gonna stick with basics.

2nd problem coil-over kits require bearing plate between top of spring cup and underside of camber/caster plate. they usually come with torington roller bearing thrust washer, which can quickly become contaminated by water and dirt.at this point the bearing becomes self destruct, and or merly creates additional friction in the steering system. and he goes on and on and on.

for rear alternative supension panhard and or torque arm, or relocating suspesion links and all sorts of other things, mixing and matching all these different systems u get a car that doesn't work properly because someone has changed the antidive or roll centers, and average owner doesn't have the time or expertise to sort it all out.

stick with basics-- springs, anti-roll bars, bushings and buy best dampers u can afford. u won't be sorry--sean hyland high-performance mustang 1994-2004 builder's guide.

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by simon94 Killax15 qua1 k member kits are cheaper. tubular k member/coil over kits are primarly recomended for drag racing to reduce weight but not a fan for street or track use--acording to sean hyland book. here's why. moly tubing is more brittle than mild steel and can crack after a while, then u need to weld. high maitenance.. so if u really want one get mild steel--kenny brown k member, i want one too cause they look really cool and would be a fun project to work on, but for now i'm just gonna stick with basics. 2nd problem coil-over kits require bearing plate between top of spring cup and underside of camber/caster plate. they usually come with torington roller bearing thrust washer, which can quickly become contaminated by water and dirt.at this point the bearing becomes self destruct, and or merly creates additional friction in the steering system. and he goes on and on and on. for rear alternative supension panhard and or torque arm, or relocating suspesion links and all sorts of other things, mixing and matching all these different systems u get a car that doesn't work properly because someone has changed the antidive or roll centers, and average owner doesn't have the time or expertise to sort it all out. stick with basics-- springs, anti-roll bars, bushings and buy best dampers u can afford. u won't be sorry--sean hyland high-performance mustang 1994-2004 builder's guide.

That's all well and good, but Maximum Motorsports builds their stuff for one purpose: road racing. They do sell a kit for the straightline crowd, but their parts are designed from the ground up to hold up to the abuse that a race car sees.

I would highly suggest that you read at least one more book on Mustang suspension; I'm not saying Sean Hyland's book is wrong, but it's good to get a few different points of view. How do you know that his setup is what will work best for YOU? You don't. You just know that it's what works best for him. You also don't know if he figured out something different that works better after that book was published.

Just as a curiousity, what's the copyright on that book? The American Iron series has really pushed Mustang suspension; it's only in the last 5 years that can now buy a bolt-in double-wishbone front suspension; that used to be a custom build requiring custom dollars, now you can pick one up for the price of a mediocre foxbody.

Again, I'm not saying that anything in that book is wrong, but I'd be VERY hesitant to read just one book and take it as gospel.

[prodrifterx]

one thing to remember is that aside from adjustable height with drag airbags, it helps keep the car planted evenly on both rear tires if im not mistaken. air is filled into them partially or completetly with a transfer line to aid on the squat and planting of the rear tires upon launch.

PSR and UPR are good pieces that offer alot of clearance as well.

[ModMustang97GT]

The UPR pieces are fantastic drag pieces, and unless your popping 4 foot wheelies, they should not have any strength issues. As for the issues that the Sean Highland book is talking about. In general you want to match all of your suspension parts together. The roll center he is talking about is not relivant so much in the rear. So long as your parts are installed correctly they will be fine. Its the front where you mess up your roll center. The correct solution is that when you get coil overs, you set them to stock ride height and then get drop spindles to lower the car. This keeps the roll height and the center of gravity in the correct places. The other option with lowering springs is to get a new K member that will support the new Angle of your A arms. There are alot of things you can do to fix your suspension. The true trick is just to have the car "SET UP" correctly. Setting up your car takes as much work as choosing the correct parts, and as long as your parts are adjustable and good quality, you should always be able to set them up correctly. For your average joe who wants to be bolting on every piece he can find and then run with it, he might have issues. But he also has no business buying the moer advanced parts, if he doesn't plan on getting it set up to work together.

Three awesome parts does not always add up to 3x the performance, it could very easily add up to 1/3 the performance if its not tuned properly.

[simon94]

As seen on Spike TV Power Block musclecar show 64 comet- altered ego
http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/Video/musclecar.wmv

sean hyland's 8 Stack injected 4.6 Ford Mustang Modular V8

- Ideal for street rods and resto-mods
- Forged rods, pistons, crankshaft
- High flow 4 valve heads
- 450hp on pump gas
- dyno tested
- includes complete fuel injection, 3 wire hook-up
Introductory price $14,995


High-performance Mustang Builder's Guide 1994-2004 by Sean Hyland in Books
$12 to $43 from 20 sellers

By Sean Hyland - Cartech, Inc (2006) - Paperback - 128 pages - ISBN 1932494103

High-performance '94-'04 Mustangs represent the high-water mark for late- model Mustang enthusiasts. From the '94-'95s with the 5.0L, through the '96-'04 models with the 2- and 4-valve 4.6Ls, to the Bullitt, Mach 1, and factory supercharged '03-'04 Cobras - never before has such a range of highly modifiable performance cars been available. These Mustangs were amazing performers straight from the factory, but they can be even better with the right combination of performance parts. Regardless of which '94-'04 Mustang you start with, the availability of high- performance parts is unparalleled. You can build your Mustang for drag racing, road racing, or improved street performance - and High- Performance Mustang Builder's Guide 1994-2004 will show you how! Author Sean Hyland uses over 300 photos to explain how to upgrade your Mustang's engine, suspension, chassis, transmission, rear end, brakes, and body. There's even a special chapter on getting active in various forms of organized racing.





here's all the work needed to setup Maximum Motorsports Maximum Grip Box
Ford Mustang Performance Suspension Install - Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords Magazine


yes, agree, the average joe who wants works on his own car should keep it simple, unless he wants to dish out major dollars for a shop to set up super race suspension for the street, show car or whatever, at the end your gonna have a car thats worth less than your after market parts and if u ever try to sell your car your never gonna get your money back.

sean hyland does promote mm, steeda, kenny brown and others and he's been building high performance stangs for over 30 years in every shape way and form

[simon94]

what do guys think of these to quiet down after market springs? anybody use them??

Maximum Motorsports 96-04 Mustang Urethane Rear Spring Isolator$18.95
Model: 6-1701-BL
Manufactured by: Maximum Motorsports
Maximum Motorsports 96-04 Mustang Urethane Rear Spring Isolators

What are spring isolators, and why do I even need them?
The spring isolators, along with most of the other rubber parts in automobile suspensions, are primarily a noise and vibration isolation feature. The spring isolators, additionally, will affect the ride height of the car. The compressed height of the spring isolators (upper and lower, or lack of isolators if they are gone!) changes the ride height of the car. The factory rubber isolators do not last very long, and compress significantly with very little time. Even new cars that are swapping springs when nearly new have shown significant permanent compresson of the isolators. These polyurethane isolators will restore a little amount of ride height due to heavily collapsed isolators in an older car, and help provide noise isolation that may be lost from missing or destroyed isolators. Ride height values quoted for the H&R springs we sell are based on using new urethane spring isolators. We recommend replacing these whenever you remove springs during any service, if they haven't already been replaced. It's a hard lesson learned when you find they are worn out, when you have your car already torn apart and need to drive it tomorrow!

[ModMustang97GT]

They work well. They are stiffer than the rubber stock pieces. That means that they will cut down on the noise and still help with your handling. Rubber isolators will have more "give" in them, that will add a little more play into the suspension. Not a lot mind you but some.

[simon94]

sounds good should i get front and rears insulators?

one ebay seller sugested i buy eibach drag spring kit instead ford c springs?



what size are your eibach sway bars in mm front and rear?

[simon94]

here's airbag system from ebay if someone can afford it price: US $1,856.48 or best offer
FBSS AIR RIDE BAGGED SUSPENSION KIT 79 04 FORD MUSTANG - (eBay.ca item 330301538612 end time 16-Feb-09 22:07:57 EST)

SKU: EAS95735 Product Type: Digital Air Suspension Combo Kit
Manufacturer: Easy Street Manufacturer Part #: 95735

FBSS AIR RIDE BAGGED SUSPENSION KIT 79 04 FORD MUSTANG

[simon94]

has anyone heard of these? there cheap PRICE: $74.99

A set of Hawks Racing 'MAX SPEED' specific rate lowering springs.
LOWERING SPRING KIT 79-04 FORD MUSTANG COBRA 5.0 4.6
SKU: HR1300
These springs are manufactured to Hawks Racing specs. at an ISO-9001/QS-9000 Spring Manufacturer. This kit fits 79 to current solid rear axles ford mustangs. (all except 99-newer Cobra)! These will also fit many other Fox and Fox II chassis Fords. This modification is the most popular suspension upgrade performed on late Model Mustangs today! These High Performance springs will lower your car approximately 1.5"to 2.25" depending on year of vehicle. Performance lowering springs are not only affordable, they are relatively easy to install and offer instant results including, much improved ride stance, improved handling characteristics and street performance.

[Jazzer The Cat]

I think you should find out what model will be dropped 2.25" and if it is yours!

1.5" is fine, but over that will begin to lead into geometry issues and poor ride quality. It is probably due mostly to differences in weight between the V-6, GT and vert.

Jazzer

[simon94]

what does anyone think about coil-over without k-member and how does it work i don't understand these spring rates, are they for drag racing??

1979-2004 Mustangs

BILLET FRONT SUSPENSION COIL OVER KIT

Kit works with any stock diameter struts such as

Lakewood 90/10, Lakewood 70/30, Koni Yellow, Koni Red, Tokico HP Series, Tokico Illuminas, KYB GR 2, KYB Gas-A-Just, Monroe Gas, OEM Factory

2 1/4" Inner Diameter

SPRINGS ARE INCLUDED

SPRING RATES INCLUDE 14/175

ALSO AVAILBLE IS 14/150 AND 12/250 AND OTHER RATES
CNC Billet Made in the U.S.A.

This unit fits ALL Ford Mustangs 79-04

[Jazzer The Cat]

CO's are a wonderful way to go, but don't recommend you go into them on your own. I think you are best to purchase from someone who can set up your ride for you. Most will be happy with standard springs/shocks/struts as you will get improved handling (if not too aggressive on drop, spring rate, etc...)

This is really a better question for the good Reverend or MM97GT (the OP of this thread) Both are MUCH more knowledgeable than me on these things and can be of better technical assistance.

Jazzer

[simon94]

or these, anyone know the specs on these?--79-04 MUSTANG BILLET FRONT & REAR COIL OVER KIT QA1 GT
US $399.95

Item Title: 79-04 MUSTANG BILLET FRONT & REAR COIL OVER KIT
Part Number: BD-2006 / BD-2006-S-Rear ( BD MUSTANGS GONE WILD ™ )

Item Condition: Brand New ( Direct Bolt-On Kit )

Fits: 79-04 Ford Mustang V6 V8 GT Cobra Shelby Bullitt Roush Steeda Saleen

Lakewood 90/10 Lakewood 70/30 QA1 Koni Yellow Koni Red Monroe Gas

KYB GR 2 KYB Gas-A-Just Factory OEM Struts Tokico HP Series, Tokico Illuminas

Kit works with 2.25” Diameter Struts the same as stock:
Lakewood 90/10 ---------------------- Lakewood 70/30
----------------- & Many other struts
Koni Yellow ----------------------------- Koni Red
----------------- & Many other struts
Tokico HP Series ----------------------- Tokico Illuminas
----------------- & Many other struts
KYB GR 2 -------------------------------- KYB Gas-A-Just
----------------- & Many other struts
Monroe Gas ----------------------------- OEM Factory

2 1/4" Inner Diameter on Coil Over Tubes.
Product Description:
* Exclusive New Hand Adjustable Kit

* Precision Diamond Cut Machined Finish

* UPR Easy Installation Kit Includes All Hardware

* QA1 Competition Springs Many Most Popular Sizes
* Machined from Durable Ultra Light 6061 Billet Aluminum

* Made to eliminate the lack of adjustment to improve traction

* Fits all 1979-2004 Mustangs V6 & V8 with 2 ¼” O.D. Front Struts

79-04 MUSTANG REAR COIL OVER CONVERSION KIT:
Product Description:

Exclusive New Hand Adjustable Kit

* Custom Knurling for an increased grip

* Complete Locking Set Screw on Adjuster Nuts

* Precision Diamond Proprietary Cut Machine Finishes

* UPR New Super Easy Installation Kit Includes All Hardware

* Upgraded QA1 Competition Springs Many Most Popular Sizes
* Machined from the Most Durable Ultra Light 6061 Billet Aluminum

* Made to eliminate the lack of adjustment to dramatically improve traction

* Incredible Huge Range of Adjustment to be able to fit the Biggest Slicks Possible

* Fits all 1979-2004 Mustangs V6 & V8 with Lakewood or Strange Rear Shocks