[Bkbulldog]

So i go get my car inspected and thay said leave your key and i was sitting in the waiting room like 5 mins later thay come in ans say sir you have failed inspection "all i have is a intake on my car" im like why? there like you cant pass inspection with a BBK intake. Im like why? there like you can only pass with a K and N intake and i said in the most pissed off way "that just stupid there both aftermarket intakes and that shounlnt even matter why you looking under the hood any way.. so i just close the hood and get in the car and drive off take it to a other place and passed no question asked so idk wtf thay where talking about.

[hellequin]

wat that makes no sense. I hope you didnt pay. THey were probably jsut trying to get money from you.

[Eagle2000GT]

What state are you in? It makes a difference.

[DiZzyBonne]

What he means by difference is pollution-wise.

[hellequin]

Originally Posted by DiZzyBonne What he means by difference is pollution-wise.

how does it make a diffrence between a bbk and a kn or any cai pollution wise? He jsut got screwed, and they wanted him to go put his old intake, come back ,and pay twice.

[Patrick@LCR]

It depends on what state you live in. Here in California, they are very picky as to what is legal, and what is not, and we have to abide by the laws of CARB (California Air Restriction Board).

In order for a part to be legal on a regular street driving vehicle, the manufacturers have to submit their part to the CARB board for expensive and strenuous testing, and if they okay the part, it gets a CARB EO (executive order) number.

Our smog/emissions tests usually consist of two parts, being visual and sniffer tests. The sniffer is your car on the dyno making sure you're not polluting, and the visual makes sure you haven't made any modifications that would make it pollute worse than a stock car. If they catch something fishy, and you don't have a CARB-EO# stamped on the part or on a sheet of paper proving it, they can be jerks and fail you on the spot.

What BBK Intake is it? Last I checked, most BBK kits have CARB EO #'s pending.

[Eagle2000GT]

I have heard that its even worse then you described. A manufacturer could have gotten the CARB EO# in 2001 so the part would be approved for '99-01 but they would have to reapply for the part to be approved for '02-04 even though its virtually the same car.

[Willy Mo]

like patrick@lcr said, Depending on the state they can be very picky. I had the K&N 77 series intake on my Silverado. The 77 series is an OFFROAD intake and is not legal in California. The inspection station here in Missouri was arguing with me that it is not legal in Missouri, But after arguing with the guy he passed me since I do not live in California.

[hellequin]

Originally Posted by Patrick@LCR It depends on what state you live in. Here in California, they are very picky as to what is legal, and what is not, and we have to abide by the laws of CARB (California Air Restriction Board). In order for a part to be legal on a regular street driving vehicle, the manufacturers have to submit their part to the CARB board for expensive and strenuous testing, and if they okay the part, it gets a CARB EO (executive order) number. Our smog/emissions tests usually consist of two parts, being visual and sniffer tests. The sniffer is your car on the dyno making sure you're not polluting, and the visual makes sure you haven't made any modifications that would make it pollute worse than a stock car. If they catch something fishy, and you don't have a CARB-EO# stamped on the part or on a sheet of paper proving it, they can be jerks and fail you on the spot. What BBK Intake is it? Last I checked, most BBK kits have CARB EO #'s pending.

ok that makes sense. I just find it wierd since i have passed inspection with my intake. I actually took it off two years ago, but this year i just asked the guy if it made a diffrence i had a cai and he looked at me like i was retarted and said its fine to have it on.

[DiZzyBonne]

Originally Posted by hellequin how does it make a diffrence between a bbk and a kn or any cai pollution wise? He jsut got screwed, and they wanted him to go put his old intake, come back ,and pay twice.

Bkbulldog said "that just stupid there both aftermarket intakes and that shounlnt even matter why you looking under the hood any way," then Eagle2000GT said "It makes a difference." What I was saying was that it doesn't matter which CAI you have, stock or not, they're not gonna make any more pollution. The reason I said what I said was because it sounded like Eagle2000GT was talking about...aww fuck it lol. I can't really explain what I meant, but yeah, I know that a CAI isn't gonna make your car pollute more than stock.

[Eagle2000GT]

I knew there isn't any difference pollution-wise. But it does make a difference passing the inspection in some states. I'm glad I live in a state that doesn't have inspections. Indiana tried it once. It became so corrupt that they stopped doing them.

[Bkbulldog]

I live in texas
And the next place i took my car to didnt even look under the hood or check the exhaust thay just did a "brake test" and stalped a inspection sticker on my car, and no i did not pay the first place for the inspection i just got in my car and drove off pissed off.

[Trick Tuners]

Originally Posted by Eagle2000GT states. I'm glad I live in a state that doesn't have inspections.

Lucky you! I have all the BS CA regulations that do nothing but fund the corrupt CARB. They make it so expensive to get the stupid EO sticker with all kinds of tests that need to be done in Sacramento with a bunch of their tech wanting a million tests. I say keep it simple. Blow clean = pass. The visual inspection is a scam, because all the matters is what comes out of the pipes.

[Eagle2000GT]

I agree completely. The only test should be what comes out of the exhaust. And a lot of people are advocating the California system for the rest of us.

When they tried it here they made the repair garages testing stations. They inspected tires, brakes, steering, etc. as well as exhaust. It didn't matter what condition the car was in when it was inspected, they always seem to find $300 of repairs that were needed. Never less, never more. $300 was the point at which people would say go ahead and fix it instead of taking the car home and fixing it later.

I've lived in California a couple of times and have relatives still living out there. I kept all of my old parts just in case I move back someday.

[97S281]

sounds like you figured out where to take your car from now on...........

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by Patrick@LCR the visual makes sure you haven't made any modifications that would make it pollute worse than a stock car.

You were spot on, except for this part.

CARB cares not one lick if the part pollutes more or less than stock. If it was truly based on emissions, there would be no need for a visual inspection, as the sniffer would tell the whole tale.

There are PLENTY of parts out there that would significantly drop your emissions, but don't have CARB exemption numbers, and plenty of parts out there that increase your emissions, but do have exemption numbers. The only logic to it is which companies have the money to pay the state to do the certification and get the governor to sign the exempting executive order.

[Patrick@LCR]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter You were spot on, except for this part. CARB cares not one lick if the part pollutes more or less than stock. If it was truly based on emissions, there would be no need for a visual inspection, as the sniffer would tell the whole tale. There are PLENTY of parts out there that would significantly drop your emissions, but don't have CARB exemption numbers, and plenty of parts out there that increase your emissions, but do have exemption numbers. The only logic to it is which companies have the money to pay the state to do the certification and get the governor to sign the exempting executive order.

I agree 110%, but didn't feel I needed to give my personal beliefs in my explanation. Actually, I well understand the stuff going on in Sacramento, as Emerson and I have been trying to get something previously illegal through the CARB testing for close to the past year and a half. It's a never-ending battle which is rather costly. I could quote some well-respected industry names on their experiences, stances, and viewpoints, but will leave that for another day and time.