[Notcho]

Originally Posted by BostonPerformance sucks, but it's true. Visit San Antonio if you doubt it.

Or Seguin.

[Genevieve!]

Originally Posted by 89 5.0 LX Or Seguin.

Its pretty much any state that touches Mexico, mostly any cities within 300 miles of the mexican border.

[chocolate]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter The only flipside I can say to this is the cost of food (and I certainly won't say it balances out). Your fresh-packed strawberries are $3.99/basket because people are getting paid $1/hr to pick 'em - oh, and that basket they're using, yeah that's a $5 rental to use it for the day.

This is true and i will even add to this. Most jobs that normal people dont want to do guess what illegals are doing them.

At the same time that may be true there are ways to prevent the price spike or at least control it. Outsourcing we have done it with so many other things we would just end up doing it with that to. We could even try to get the homeless/jobless people to do it. I know that that may not work but it would be worth a shot.

Originally Posted by GenevieveD Its pretty much any state that touches Mexico, mostly any cities within 300 miles of the mexican border.

Add verginia i sware its mexico city there.



I propose that everyone that reads this copies it and emails it to everyone they know. I know some may be against this but its just an idea maybe if enough people realize the extent of the problem more people will push for laws that prevent illegals from doing this.

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by xNUM1KILLAx I propose that everyone that reads this copies it and emails it to everyone they know.

Please for the love of all you find holy, no.

Don't send this sort of thing in email. TALK to people you know. If they want to see facts and figures, THEN email that ONE person the info their looking for.

Education needs to be personal, or people don't care enough about it to actually do anything with it.

[vastang757]

Originally Posted by xNUM1KILLAx Add verginia i sware its mexico city there.

Its VIRGINIA and its really not. Atleast not where I am

[chocolate]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter Please for the love of all you find holy, no. Don't send this sort of thing in email. TALK to people you know. If they want to see facts and figures, THEN email that ONE person the info their looking for. Education needs to be personal, or people don't care enough about it to actually do anything with it.

That is true i see what you mean. So let me change that. I propose we tell all are friends and family in person about this and send them the email to refer to while you talk to them about it.

I have already sent it to 3 people but that is because i know that they think the same as me and stuff so talking to them would just be a fact thrower with a bunch of yups. lol now they got some statistics to.

Originally Posted by vastang757 Its VIRGINIA and its really not. Atleast not where I am

Where in Virginia you from. My moms friend lives in northern verginia (not sure exact location nor do i care i just go to hang out with her daughter.) and ill say at least half if not more of the people you see are Mexican.

Sorry for the miss spell i get I and E mixed up when i type sometimes.

[1FastFox]

It doesnt matter what state you live in they are everywhere. I thought Indy was real bad when I lived up there.

[97S281]

Originally Posted by BostonPerformance I'm seriously considering leaving the country when I retire.

I have thought about retiring to Mexico. There was a couple on 20/20 that retired to Mexico and bought a beautiful house on the coast with like a three car garage and 2800sq. ft. for less than 300k. The town they live outside of has a freakin' wal-mart, mcdonalds, wendy's and just about every other thing you get in an American city. They even have a special police force for the "white" people.

The couple said it was like winning the lottery,they can afford to live like royalty for the same that it would have cost them to just get by in America.

Aint that some shit.

[unlicensed to drive]

+1 1FF, even Alaska has some, although I didn't really see many in Alaska on my fishing trip last year. I'm not being racist, just making a point lol.

[atlacatl213]

White males... minority...? lol... no not yet.


CensusScope -- Population by Race

Funny how you demonize a few minorities who have "beat the system" as those who are lazy, and such a hatred i feel coming from these crowd who frown at the minorities.

Minorities getting paid at 15/hr? please tell me where they're hiring because I'll gladly go and apply myself... They're not called slave wages for nothing my friends. If anything most of the minorities are getting paid less than minimum wage for jobs that other people do not want to do. They do the gruntwork of society in which others feel that they shouldn't do. Now I know there's a few dickheads that take advantage of the system and do all this unnecessary bullshit and invest in stupid things (hey we all have our 'stupid' guys in any one of our groups no?). Don't forget there's the children of the illegals who have no idea how much their parents struggle and take better jobs than their parents do because they were born and raised here. Parents are too tired working long hours with little pay and yet these 1st generation kids aren't raised right and take advantage of the system. Tell me how I know this... it would be too painful to point at some family members... using their parent's welfare, leeching off them while they work and buy shit to feed on their lustful and materialistic addictions (booze, THEM 22s on that whip!)... it sickens me...

My parents came here illegally and their sole reason was to have a better lifestyle than back home. Did not the Jews flee when Hitler took over because it was best for them to do so? I don't want to hear the argument that "they should take care of things back in their own country" because I hear a resounding comment of "this country sucks, I'm moving out if it gets worse". Kinda hypocritical if you ask me.

El Salvador, being in a civil war at its time, had guerillas and all that bs fighting to see if it should become a communist or capitalist structure. Many Salvadoreans fled the country; One of them being my father. He came to the states because he loved the idea to remain breathing in this world. I guess none of you would understand the poverish conditions these people had to go through when you were so overburdened that you had to leave your own mother behind and hope that she remains safe.

My mother came to the states because there was not much a woman can do in Mexico except work in a farmland (least where she is from) and the soil there is not the greatest. One can only produce as much as they need to live off the land. Her only asset was that he was good at sewing and making dresses. Worked at a shop here in LA, working nickles on the dollar for every dress she made. There was no hour salary, no benefits, none of that bullshit that ya'll angry about. Till this day a majority of these minorities don't benefit from these things that you all are raising your voices on. My mom suffering with arthritis now (and other pains as she grows older) for one of your little girls to be wearing one of the dresses she made and now she can't even go to the doctor because she can't pay for it.

My mother and father both came a long way and although they came illegally, they integrated and because legal residents over time. For you all to such negativity towards illegals is quite saddening. was this country not founded on migrants that come to this great country and contribute in any way they can? don't you find it sad that such brilliant children that come illegally with their parents can't benefit fully from education and schools because they aren't allowed residency and aren't allowed to learn in our universities? Jobs that people take for granted are impossible to reach for them to reach. My best friend (a straight A student with a better grade point average than myself in hs) can't go to college because he can't receive the financial aid that I do because of him residing here illegally. What could a brilliant mind like his do in this country in our time of need?

So next time you think of that damned illegal who is taking advantage of the system, please forgive him. I argue in their place, please forgive us for doing everything that you guys don't want to do and please forgive us for being such a painful existence for you people. Let us continue further to create walls between our communities and continue to disintegrate. I've always believed that multiculturalism is just another word for segregation.

If I've gone through to you, to at least open your eyes, then I'm glad. If I have not opened your eyes, let me remind you that the first people residing in the Americas were native American Indians, many of them having ties to my ancestry. You came and killed quarantined them while they were accepting and loving. I guess that whole superiority complex came on to the invaders when my Aztec ancestors welcomed the white Spanish as Gods. Remember who you are calling illegals, you pilgrims, because you are just fighting hard to maintain a land that was not even yours to begin with.

And if you say, sure all of what you're saying is just emotional rhetoric; Just subjective to each person; An opinion of viewpoint.... Well isn't your views also as subjective as mine..? I'm standing up for the little man who cannot do it him/herself because they're too busy slaving away atm. I don't really expect any of you to read all this since many just have the attention span of a 5 year old.

[vastang757]

Originally Posted by xNUM1KILLAx Where in Virginia you from. My moms friend lives in northern verginia (not sure exact location nor do i care i just go to hang out with her daughter.) and ill say at least half if not more of the people you see are Mexican. Sorry for the miss spell i get I and E mixed up when i type sometimes.

I live in Newport News (Hampton Roads/Tidewater area). I'm not saying that I don't ever see them. I see them alot. It just doesn't seem like I'm in Mexico City or anything. Maybe I'm just used to them being around

When I was 15 I was playing on an adult league team. I was the only white kid. The team name.... Latinos

[BostonPerformance]

Originally Posted by atlacatl213 White males... minority...? lol... no not yet. CensusScope -- Population by Race Funny how you demonize a few minorities who have "beat the system" as those who are lazy, and such a hatred i feel coming from these crowd who frown at the minorities. Minorities getting paid at 15/hr? please tell me where they're hiring because I'll gladly go and apply myself... They're not called slave wages for nothing my friends. If anything most of the minorities are getting paid less than minimum wage for jobs that other people do not want to do. They do the gruntwork of society in which others feel that they shouldn't do. Now I know there's a few dickheads that take advantage of the system and do all this unnecessary bullshit and invest in stupid things (hey we all have our 'stupid' guys in any one of our groups no?). Don't forget there's the children of the illegals who have no idea how much their parents struggle and take better jobs than their parents do because they were born and raised here. Parents are too tired working long hours with little pay and yet these 1st generation kids aren't raised right and take advantage of the system. Tell me how I know this... it would be too painful to point at some family members... using their parent's welfare, leeching off them while they work and buy shit to feed on their lustful and materialistic addictions (booze, THEM 22s on that whip!)... it sickens me... My parents came here illegally and their sole reason was to have a better lifestyle than back home. Did not the Jews flee when Hitler took over because it was best for them to do so? I don't want to hear the argument that "they should take care of things back in their own country" because I hear a resounding comment of "this country sucks, I'm moving out if it gets worse". Kinda hypocritical if you ask me. El Salvador, being in a civil war at its time, had guerillas and all that bs fighting to see if it should become a communist or capitalist structure. Many Salvadoreans fled the country; One of them being my father. He came to the states because he loved the idea to remain breathing in this world. I guess none of you would understand the poverish conditions these people had to go through when you were so overburdened that you had to leave your own mother behind and hope that she remains safe. My mother came to the states because there was not much a woman can do in Mexico except work in a farmland (least where she is from) and the soil there is not the greatest. One can only produce as much as they need to live off the land. Her only asset was that he was good at sewing and making dresses. Worked at a shop here in LA, working nickles on the dollar for every dress she made. There was no hour salary, no benefits, none of that bullshit that ya'll angry about. Till this day a majority of these minorities don't benefit from these things that you all are raising your voices on. My mom suffering with arthritis now (and other pains as she grows older) for one of your little girls to be wearing one of the dresses she made and now she can't even go to the doctor because she can't pay for it. My mother and father both came a long way and although they came illegally, they integrated and because legal residents over time. For you all to such negativity towards illegals is quite saddening. was this country not founded on migrants that come to this great country and contribute in any way they can? don't you find it sad that such brilliant children that come illegally with their parents can't benefit fully from education and schools because they aren't allowed residency and aren't allowed to learn in our universities? Jobs that people take for granted are impossible to reach for them to reach. My best friend (a straight A student with a better grade point average than myself in hs) can't go to college because he can't receive the financial aid that I do because of him residing here illegally. What could a brilliant mind like his do in this country in our time of need? So next time you think of that damned illegal who is taking advantage of the system, please forgive him. I argue in their place, please forgive us for doing everything that you guys don't want to do and please forgive us for being such a painful existence for you people. Let us continue further to create walls between our communities and continue to disintegrate. I've always believed that multiculturalism is just another word for segregation. If I've gone through to you, to at least open your eyes, then I'm glad. If I have not opened your eyes, let me remind you that the first people residing in the Americas were native American Indians, many of them having ties to my ancestry. You came and killed quarantined them while they were accepting and loving. I guess that whole superiority complex came on to the invaders when my Aztec ancestors welcomed the white Spanish as Gods. Remember who you are calling illegals, you pilgrims, because you are just fighting hard to maintain a land that was not even yours to begin with. And if you say, sure all of what you're saying is just emotional rhetoric; Just subjective to each person; An opinion of viewpoint.... Well isn't your views also as subjective as mine..? I'm standing up for the little man who cannot do it him/herself because they're too busy slaving away atm. I don't really expect any of you to read all this since many just have the attention span of a 5 year old.

Read it all man. good points, but why can't they just come here the legal way?

[rfcsoulja]

Originally Posted by White99stang minorities don't have the advantage in this country, remember whites are the minority now.

White people still make up %60 of the population.

Good points ATL.

[chocolate]

atlacatl213 I apperently am not one of the people you speak of with a 5 year olds attention span i read it all. lol

Ok let me also point out to you that through research of the native americans. They have found that they were actually from asia/europ and crossed over from russia to north america while the berring streat was frozen. So even the native americans that we killed/rounded up/quarantined were technicly related to us anyway.

"They do the gruntwork of society in which others feel that they shouldn't do." yes they do but if the illegals were not here in the first place people would do them because they would want to keep living at the standard they do. You would be supprised at how many of these well paid americans that think they shouldent do what illegals do, would do them because it would mean them living at the same standard they are now.

As far as your parents reasons for comming here, I we did not say they had vvalid reasons to come here but there is a legal process they should go through. Your mom getting nickels on the dollar of the dresses she made is true for some. Yet for some reason i see first generation illegals and there kids living better then I do. My friend is an illegal (just started the process of being legal) Has a brand new camaro, 3 xbox 360 elites, a half million dollar house, parents both own audi a4's, they have 4 50 Inch flat panel lcd tv's, a full home movie system (projector, speakers, full room with seating for 20.), and several other very nice things. They dont pay a dime in taxes on pay the mom got a welfare check for the first 3 years hear until the dad said they shouldent be getting it with all the stuff they had. Another example another illegal i know lives in a row home with tube tv's and everything they own other then cloths are preowned. There cloths are brand name and they have plenty. There father wont accept welfare anymore either. He had it for 5 years when he first moved here. Both examples show that not all illegals are on welfare and such programs but could be, they both live above there standards of living in there home country yet dont get government help as a personal choice. Neither pay taxes or help the government, they both admit they could get all sorts of money if they took the time to apply but they dont because they have moral standards.

I am not saying kill all illegals or dont let anyone move into are country but i am saying come here legaly, go through those steps, dont mooch off the government. People love to say it is expencive to become a citizen but my co-worker was living here illegaly for a year and was able to pay for being legal while they went through the process they could take advantage of most things citizens could because they were in the system and doing the process and that is pretty much all the government and most people ask.

My great great grandmother moved here from poland less than 50 years ago never became legal altho her kids did and she lived above most americans standards then to.

[Sleeper_Stang_89]

Originally Posted by White99stang You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California. Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted. Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table". Ready? Now pay attention... Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00. Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00. Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00. Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00. Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00. Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00. Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00. Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00. Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00. Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00. Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc. Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month. Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work. Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family. Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home. Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay. You see how this works now? If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens... You are part of the problem! It's way PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans!

dont get me wrong... I am against open borders... but if all the illegal workers get deported, the workforce shrinks and as a result our economy starts shrinking. One of the ways to grow the productions possibilites curve to the right is more labor... If every illegal worker leaves then the curve shifts left. there is like what 15-20 million illegal residents in America? our standard of living will decrease, maybe not significantly, but it will nonetheless...

however, I do think that there should be some measure taken to keep people from just coming to America illegally.

[chocolate]

^ to go with that i still think implementing an electric fence and using illegals trying to cross the border as sniper training would significantly decrease the amount that get in. Im kidding people killing is not the answer.

































severally injuring is.

[atlacatl213]

Originally Posted by BostonPerformance Read it all man. good points, but why can't they just come here the legal way?

Go to Mexico and El Salvador, look at the living conditions there. Many of them have to wait for at least 7 years in order for them to even be granted a woker's visa to just come into the states and work here legally. A WORKERS PERMIT! Have any clue how long it takes for legal residency? I think you get the idea.

Originally Posted by xNUM1KILLAx atlacatl213 I apperently am not one of the people you speak of with a 5 year olds attention span i read it all. lol Ok let me also point out to you that through research of the native americans. They have found that they were actually from asia/europ and crossed over from russia to north america while the berring streat was frozen. So even the native americans that we killed/rounded up/quarantined were technicly related to us anyway. "They do the gruntwork of society in which others feel that they shouldn't do." yes they do but if the illegals were not here in the first place people would do them because they would want to keep living at the standard they do. You would be supprised at how many of these well paid americans that think they shouldent do what illegals do, would do them because it would mean them living at the same standard they are now. As far as your parents reasons for comming here, I we did not say they had vvalid reasons to come here but there is a legal process they should go through. Your mom getting nickels on the dollar of the dresses she made is true for some. Yet for some reason i see first generation illegals and there kids living better then I do. My friend is an illegal (just started the process of being legal) Has a brand new camaro, 3 xbox 360 elites, a half million dollar house, parents both own audi a4's, they have 4 50 Inch flat panel lcd tv's, a full home movie system (projector, speakers, full room with seating for 20.), and several other very nice things. They dont pay a dime in taxes on pay the mom got a welfare check for the first 3 years hear until the dad said they shouldent be getting it with all the stuff they had. Another example another illegal i know lives in a row home with tube tv's and everything they own other then cloths are preowned. There cloths are brand name and they have plenty. There father wont accept welfare anymore either. He had it for 5 years when he first moved here. Both examples show that not all illegals are on welfare and such programs but could be, they both live above there standards of living in there home country yet dont get government help as a personal choice. Neither pay taxes or help the government, they both admit they could get all sorts of money if they took the time to apply but they dont because they have moral standards. I am not saying kill all illegals or dont let anyone move into are country but i am saying come here legaly, go through those steps, dont mooch off the government. People love to say it is expencive to become a citizen but my co-worker was living here illegaly for a year and was able to pay for being legal while they went through the process they could take advantage of most things citizens could because they were in the system and doing the process and that is pretty much all the government and most people ask. My great great grandmother moved here from poland less than 50 years ago never became legal altho her kids did and she lived above most americans standards then to.

First off I want to say thank you for taking your time to read my spiel.

If you're going by evolution theories then yes we are all related and our origin is all comes back to Africa. Then the question would be... why the hell are we killing each other, separating each other, and belittling each other when we all are the same. we all struggle, we all suffer, we all go through the daily grind yet we feel compelled to hurt each other more instead of being compassionate.

Illegals and any other minorities have been here since the beginning, so technically you can't say if they weren't here. They will always be here no matter how strict the law nor how deep a moat or tall a fence you make. Do you think the world would just sit idly as people have suggested to have snipers and others wait at the border and hunt down the illegals from an underdeveloped country to a developed country? No, they don't want to ruin their reputation any further.

As for illegals who are doing all the idiotic spending and bad investments in toys and such.... Couldn't that be said also about the rich? Also there are always someone in some other ethnic/class/gender community that spends their money idiotically on things that others will see as irrelevant to others. "But Phillip, they are using our hard earn tax money so that they could live the lifestyles that they do!" I would say "BABOSOS! So are the rich people!"

Marriott hotel and other lofts built in LA next to the Staples Center... usually hotels are supposed to pay a property tax and all other types of taxes in order to construct a hotel but yet unknown to many, the local gov enticed Marriott to build the hotel and other companies to build their housing here. They WAIVED their taxes and said...fuck it we will make money, and oh that tax, well we'll just add it on top of our good citizens of LA.

Thats right my fellow Angelinos... We are paying for their buildings to be built all while they keep making sick amounts money. Corruption is everywhere, so don't just point fingers at the illegals for cheating the system, also keep in mind for how the system is cheating you our of your hard earn money. I only gave an example at a city government level... Just imagine how Corporate/Federal Gov. America is doing... In fact don't imagine, just go do some research...

Don't give me that shit that I'm a commie or some socialist conspiracy theorist. I don't believe that system works either. We westerners tend to be greedy and independent, not really giving a flying fuck about our fellow human beings. Then people wonder about not getting help in a time of need when their car breaks down on the side of the road and some other kind gentleman gets helped. People like that are dying off because we are not being taught right these days... If we all just took time and started caring for one another a bit more... and not have the damn government needed to be our crutch every damn time we need help, then we could be all be a bit better off.

[chocolate]

Originally Posted by atlacatl213 Go to Mexico and El Salvador, look at the living conditions there. Many of them have to wait for at least 7 years in order for them to even be granted a woker's visa to just come into the states and work here legally. A WORKERS PERMIT! Have any clue how long it takes for legal residency? I think you get the idea. I dont truely agree with all the laws and peramiters around illegals getting in. I have seen that it is actually easyer to get citizenship if you sneak in and start applying for citizenship right away. I still consider that the legal way. Look at weed it is illegal to smoke yet people do it. It doesnt harm are economy and it doesn''t affect anyone but that person for the most part. Just like it is illegal to sneak into the us yet people do it and until they mooch off the government for years ill say 3 for the sake of argueing then they dont affect us much either. its when they do it for years that it ruines the idea of welfare. First off I want to say thank you for taking your time to read my spiel. If you're going by evolution theories then yes we are all related and our origin is all comes back to Africa. Then the question would be... why the hell are we killing each other, separating each other, and belittling each other when we all are the same. we all struggle, we all suffer, we all go through the daily grind yet we feel compelled to hurt each other more instead of being compassionate. Illegals and any other minorities have been here since the beginning, so technically you can't say if they weren't here. They will always be here no matter how strict the law nor how deep a moat or tall a fence you make. Do you think the world would just sit idly as people have suggested to have snipers and others wait at the border and hunt down the illegals from an underdeveloped country to a developed country? No, they don't want to ruin their reputation any further. As for illegals who are doing all the idiotic spending and bad investments in toys and such.... Couldn't that be said also about the rich? Also there are always someone in some other ethnic/class/gender community that spends their money idiotically on things that others will see as irrelevant to others. "But Phillip, they are using our hard earn tax money so that they could live the lifestyles that they do!" I would say "BABOSOS! So are the rich people!" Marriott hotel and other lofts built in LA next to the Staples Center... usually hotels are supposed to pay a property tax and all other types of taxes in order to construct a hotel but yet unknown to many, the local gov enticed Marriott to build the hotel and other companies to build their housing here. They WAIVED their taxes and said...fuck it we will make money, and oh that tax, well we'll just add it on top of our good citizens of LA. Thats right my fellow Angelinos... We are paying for their buildings to be built all while they keep making sick amounts money. Corruption is everywhere, so don't just point fingers at the illegals for cheating the system, also keep in mind for how the system is cheating you our of your hard earn money. I only gave an example at a city government level... Just imagine how Corporate/Federal Gov. America is doing... In fact don't imagine, just go do some research... Don't give me that shit that I'm a commie or some socialist conspiracy theorist. I don't believe that system works either. We westerners tend to be greedy and independent, not really giving a flying fuck about our fellow human beings. Then people wonder about not getting help in a time of need when their car breaks down on the side of the road and some other kind gentleman gets helped. People like that are dying off because we are not being taught right these days... If we all just took time and started caring for one another a bit more... and not have the damn government needed to be our crutch every damn time we need help, then we could be all be a bit better off.

You pull up some good points. Ya i read the whole thing again im proud of myself. lol

Anyway yes your right it is not just illegals that take advantage of the system. It is also americans but thats a whole nother debate that i will tear into those lazy ass americans who sit on there ass and collect welfare because they are stupid and cant get a job. Yes i know there are those who try to get a job and i mean try hard and collect welfare but those are the people it was made for.

I support the illegal thing because it deals with a few issues not just the abuse of are government thats all. I am highly against a large government or a government all up in are business regulating everything we do and holding are hands. It pisses me off that its become that.

As far as your comment on evolution I am not going to say it is that or that it was as the bible says. I dont believe completely in either but again another topic for another time. I wasnt talking about evolution i was talking about migration. Also the comment on y we are always fighting you answerd it later in what you said. We are greedy every last country is greedy some controlling some needy some just wanting.

BTW the sniper idea was a joke.

Thank you for being mature about this debate and reading what we have to say before throwing out things and making smart ass comments.

[M.P. Cobra Fan]

Originally Posted by BostonPerformance Read it all man. good points, but why can't they just come here the legal way?

Do you realize how hard it is to come here legally? I know people who have been trying for 10 years to get citizenship, and can't. They came together, the husband got his after 6 years, the kids both have theirs, but the wife has to go back for months at a time just to get her visa's renewed or fear being deported and not allowed back. Oh and this is from Canada, not Mexico.

Most of these people are hard working people trying to make money for their families. I propose a swap system. For every good hard working person that wants to come here, we can swap out 2 of our lazy ass pieces of shit.

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^ If only we could do that if only we could. But remember there would have to be criteria and those lazy people would end up finding a way around it. If i had a say i could give you about half of baltimore city for real hard working people. I dont have a problem with imagrants (my g g grandma was one) i just have a problem with people in general mooching off the government and it seems a lot of these illegals are the lazy ones you speck of. not all but a large amount.