[PonyBoy5.0]

NY Democrat pleads with Republican not to share document proposing confiscation of guns - The Commentator

[quikstang2]

Not surprised.

[Weather Man]

Progressives have an agenda and they are getting bolder about it.

[PonyBoy5.0]

I wonder why whoever moved my thread, didn't just delete the one in the Ammo Barn and leave the one I posted in here that was titled "Nazi's are hard at work!".

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It's most likely a conspiracy. Details later...
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[Rainbutt]

I know nothing of this.

[Nasty]

Kind of hard to argue with something like that..

[Boss Trig]

The thing that I dont get about gun confiscation (which will never happen) is who are they going to get to do it?

Most if not all Police officers will refuse to do it because they are afraid of what might happen, and a lot of them are pro gun themselves and wouldnt agree to have guns taken away.

What they fail to mention is that no one would be willing to knock on someones door and ask for their guns. The entire Military is volunteer, its not like our Military force is the Nazi force of WWII that is brain washed into doing everything they are told. 99.9% of the Military would flat out refuse to do that. Sure thats going against a direct order but if 99% of your force refuses to do something then it just isnt going to happen because they cant possibly punish them all.

So now we are left with who? There is literally no one left to carry out the deed.

It is not only not going to happen. Its flat out impossible to do.

[JohnC]

Originally Posted by Derrick The thing that I don't get about gun confiscation (which will never happen) is who are they going to get to do it? Most if not all Police officers will refuse to do it because they are afraid of what might happen, and a lot of them are pro gun themselves and wouldn't agree to have guns taken away. What they fail to mention is that no one would be willing to knock on someones door and ask for their guns. The entire Military is volunteer, its not like our Military force is the Nazi force of WWII that is brain washed into doing everything they are told. 99.9% of the Military would flat out refuse to do that. Sure thats going against a direct order but if 99% of your force refuses to do something then it just isn't going to happen because they cant possibly punish them all. So now we are left with who? There is literally no one left to carry out the deed. It is not only not going to happen. Its flat out impossible to do.

Don't be naive. Just like half the country is divided on every issue, probably half the cops, etc., would gladly go confiscate guns.

The cops in New Orleans had no problem doing it, so that is a great example.

[PonyBoy5.0]

^^^I always have to tell myself that to calm down, but New York is doomed with the NYPD. I've seen many stories about the abuse against simple human rights let alone the (what seems to be now) few rights the government has given them.

[Boss Trig]

Im not being naive at all.....

This country is not divided in half with confinscating and not confinscating. There is probably only 10% for and 90% against it. Even if people dont think they should sell guns anymore most of them would not agree to send a cop door to door to take them away. Not only is that highly unsafe its just stupid to even propose.



I have never personally met a cop and or Member of the Military that has said they would be willing to do that. Remember, your Military force came from towns and families just like you and will be returning to them after their service. They are not willing to wage war on their own people, they are not a brain washed force like the WWII Nazis like I already said.

[JohnC]

Originally Posted by Derrick I'm not being naive at all..... This country is not divided in half with confiscating and not confiscating. There is probably only 10% for and 90% against it.

Do you forget, the voting majority elected these clowns?

They knew they were nanny state tyrants wanting to control the size of their softdrinks and ban guns. If they confiscate, that voting majority wouldn't give a flippin' damn because they believe everything the propagandists on MSNBC tell them about guns and gun owners.

You yourself as a gun owner argue in here against folks right to own AR15's and hi-cap mags, so even as a gun owner, people like you help divide gun owners in to a group that believes the 2nd amendment doesn't grant citizens the right to own semi automatic varmint caliber rifles (AR15's), which is ridiculous.

Folks should understand these progressives strategy. They take your rights little by little. One day it is the AR15, then the hi-cap mags, then registration, and then confiscation.

Soon, we'll have no 2nd Amendment because the younger group behind you will think it is wrong to hunt those fluffy cute animals and MSNBC will paint you as a backwoods animal abusing redneck racist and those indoctrinated kids will be voting to end your gun rights.

Trust me. I've seen it happening over my lifetime. Every generation is coming up more left-wing, so get used to it. What rights you have today will be the next on the chopping block in the future.

[JohnC]

Originally Posted by Derrick I have never personally met a cop and or Member of the Military that has said they would be willing to do that. Remember, your Military force came from towns and families just like you and will be returning to them after their service. They are not willing to wage war on their own people, they are not a brain washed force like the WWII Nazis like I already said.

Again, New Orleans. Google the video of the old lady with a revolver getting tackled to the ground, disarmed, and her guns getting confiscated. Look at the videos of regaler folks getting their shotgun and hunting rifle confiscated for no legal reason.

Tell me again how that gun confiscation won't happen by your local LEO's when given the orders?

http://www.nraila.org/media-center/2...ion-video.aspx

[JohnC]

NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina - YouTube

NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina - YouTube

[JohnC]

Like those videos show, even the servicemen and cops that thought it was wrong and didn't want to do it, followed orders and did confiscate guns.

Good luck thinking it won't happen to you when they come for your guns!

[Novanutcase]

While I don't agree with gun confiscation, the reason for the confiscation in New Orleans was because of vigilantes killing innocent and not so innocent people all in the name of "protecting their neighborhood". One account of what was happening in The Big Easy....

Please note the source of my info. It is a pro-gun site so if any of you want to accuse me of "lapping at the MSNBC pool"....uh....no.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...scation-issue/

The Other Side of the New Orleans Gun Confiscation Issue
Posted on April 12, 2010 by Robert Farago

When the New Orleans Police and Louisiana National Guard disarmed New Orleans citizens at the point of a gun (or a hundred), the news of the event reverberated throughout America’s firearm fraternity like the original “shot heard ’round the world.” The law enforcement action stoked the fires of those who’d long been warning of the threat of official gun confiscation—from mainstream NRA members to extremist militias. The scenes also added fuel to the pyre for restrictive gun control laws. In retrospect, disarming post-Katrina citizens was an enormous strategic blunder by bone-headed bureaucrats drunk with power and bereft of respect for the Constitution. On the other hand, ProPubica reports that New Orleans was home to a band of shotgun-wielding racist vigilantes with a shoot-to-kill mentality.

The floodwaters that spilled over much of New Orleans didn’t touch Algiers Point.

Still, the catastrophe prompted the neighborhood’s residents – most of whom are white — to take action. Within days, a band of 15 to 30 locals had taken up weapons, barricaded the streets with downed trees and debris, and begun regular patrols of the area. Residents say they were trying to keep their homes from being overrun by thieves and outlaws.

“There’s no black and white issue here,” said Clyde Price III, a white man who lived next door to Bourgeois for many years.

But others, including Malik Rahim, the co-founder of the activist group Common Ground Relief, who was in Algiers Point in the days after the storm, believe the neighborhood militia carried out a series of hate crimes, threatening and shooting black people who walked into the area.

That’s right: “and shooting.” I know the following excerpt stretches the boundaries of fair use. But every gun owner who felt the long arm of the law on his or her shoulder after the New Orleans gun confiscation “scandal” should read this passage, regardless of their take on their right to personal protection.

As Terri Benjamin and her aunt, Eudith Rodney, walked along Pelican Avenue that day, the reverberating boom of gunfire echoed through the thick, humid air.

Fearful, the women began running toward the safety of Benjamin’s home. As they neared Vallette Street, they encountered a group of armed white men, Benjamin said in an interview.

Among the men, Benjamin recalled, was Roland Bourgeois Jr., who lived just two doors down on Vallette Street. Bourgeois was gripping a shotgun and celebrating.

“My neighbor was jumping up and down, hootin’ and hollerin’ like he was big-game hunting and he got the big one,” she said. “All of his friends were rallying him on, and they were cheering.”

A beefy character with a shaved head, Bourgeois screamed “I got one!” and boasted that he’d shot a “looter,” said Benjamin, who shared her story with a federal grand jury on March 25.

Before long, she said, another armed man — someone Benjamin didn’t recognize — showed up with news: The person Bourgeois had shot was wounded but alive a few blocks away.

According to Benjamin, Bourgeois said, “I’m gonna kill that nigger,” and ran, barefoot and shirtless, down the street before turning and jogging out of view.

Benjamin heard another gunshot.

Bourgeois ran back to join the group of gun-equipped men standing in the street, she said. “He came back with a baseball cap that had blood on it. And I knew there was blood on the cap because it ran onto his arm. And he brandished the cap for all of his friends,” Benjamin said. “Everybody cheered. They were happy for him.”

Rights. Responsibilities. Connect the dots. Should the New Orleans Police and National Guard have disarmed the ironically named Mr. Bourgeois? And if so, how could they tell which armed homeowners were on the right side of the moral divide, and which were looking to swan dive into the dark side? So why not disarm them all and stop the slaughter?

Now you could argue that the victim, Donnell Herrington, should have been armed himself. And then recoil at the idea of a race war on the streets of New Orleans. Any way you look at it, when society breaks down, everyone suffers. Some more than others.

John

[JohnC]

You guys will argue your own rights away. It's kind of amazing how little work the left-wing has to do anymore to succeed in disarming America.

[Nasty]

Drick you would truly be surprised. Most LEOs are not that caring about the 2nd Amendment. Trust me.

[JohnC]

Originally Posted by Novanutcase While I don't agree with gun confiscation, the reason for the confiscation in New Orleans was because of vigilantes killing innocent and not so innocent people all in the name of "protecting their neighborhood". One account of what was happening in The Big Easy.... Please note the source of my info. It is a pro-gun site so if any of you want to accuse me of "lapping at the MSNBC pool"....uh....no. The Other Side of the New Orleans Gun Confiscation Issue | The Truth About Guns The Other Side of the New Orleans Gun Confiscation Issue Posted on April 12, 2010 by Robert Farago When the New Orleans Police and Louisiana National Guard disarmed New Orleans citizens at the point of a gun (or a hundred), the news of the event reverberated throughout America’s firearm fraternity like the original “shot heard ’round the world.” The law enforcement action stoked the fires of those who’d long been warning of the threat of official gun confiscation—from mainstream NRA members to extremist militias. The scenes also added fuel to the pyre for restrictive gun control laws. In retrospect, disarming post-Katrina citizens was an enormous strategic blunder by bone-headed bureaucrats drunk with power and bereft of respect for the Constitution. On the other hand, ProPubica reports that New Orleans was home to a band of shotgun-wielding racist vigilantes with a shoot-to-kill mentality. The floodwaters that spilled over much of New Orleans didn’t touch Algiers Point. Still, the catastrophe prompted the neighborhood’s residents – most of whom are white — to take action. Within days, a band of 15 to 30 locals had taken up weapons, barricaded the streets with downed trees and debris, and begun regular patrols of the area. Residents say they were trying to keep their homes from being overrun by thieves and outlaws. “There’s no black and white issue here,” said Clyde Price III, a white man who lived next door to Bourgeois for many years. But others, including Malik Rahim, the co-founder of the activist group Common Ground Relief, who was in Algiers Point in the days after the storm, believe the neighborhood militia carried out a series of hate crimes, threatening and shooting black people who walked into the area. That’s right: “and shooting.” I know the following excerpt stretches the boundaries of fair use. But every gun owner who felt the long arm of the law on his or her shoulder after the New Orleans gun confiscation “scandal” should read this passage, regardless of their take on their right to personal protection. As Terri Benjamin and her aunt, Eudith Rodney, walked along Pelican Avenue that day, the reverberating boom of gunfire echoed through the thick, humid air. Fearful, the women began running toward the safety of Benjamin’s home. As they neared Vallette Street, they encountered a group of armed white men, Benjamin said in an interview. Among the men, Benjamin recalled, was Roland Bourgeois Jr., who lived just two doors down on Vallette Street. Bourgeois was gripping a shotgun and celebrating. “My neighbor was jumping up and down, hootin’ and hollerin’ like he was big-game hunting and he got the big one,” she said. “All of his friends were rallying him on, and they were cheering.” A beefy character with a shaved head, Bourgeois screamed “I got one!” and boasted that he’d shot a “looter,” said Benjamin, who shared her story with a federal grand jury on March 25. Before long, she said, another armed man — someone Benjamin didn’t recognize — showed up with news: The person Bourgeois had shot was wounded but alive a few blocks away. According to Benjamin, Bourgeois said, “I’m gonna kill that nigger,” and ran, barefoot and shirtless, down the street before turning and jogging out of view. Benjamin heard another gunshot. Bourgeois ran back to join the group of gun-equipped men standing in the street, she said. “He came back with a baseball cap that had blood on it. And I knew there was blood on the cap because it ran onto his arm. And he brandished the cap for all of his friends,” Benjamin said. “Everybody cheered. They were happy for him.” Rights. Responsibilities. Connect the dots. Should the New Orleans Police and National Guard have disarmed the ironically named Mr. Bourgeois? And if so, how could they tell which armed homeowners were on the right side of the moral divide, and which were looking to swan dive into the dark side? So why not disarm them all and stop the slaughter? Now you could argue that the victim, Donnell Herrington, should have been armed himself. And then recoil at the idea of a race war on the streets of New Orleans. Any way you look at it, when society breaks down, everyone suffers. Some more than others. John

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to call BS on this one. This all sounds way too far fetched (conspiracy theory) and if it did happen, all the left-wing media would've had a field day with it as propaganda for their anti-gun agenda. We'd seen this plastered all over the lamestream news for weeks like these mass shootings.

And, a criminal committing crimes does not give Governors, local LEO's, etc., the right to even temporarily revoke law abiding folks second amendment rights that aren't breaking any laws.

[Novanutcase]

Originally Posted by JohnC I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to call BS on this one. This all sounds way too far fetched (conspiracy theory) and if it did happen, all the left-wing media would've had a field day with it as propaganda for their anti-gun agenda. We'd seen this plastered all over the lamestream news for weeks like these mass shootings.

Apparently it wasn't as bullshit as you think.

He was indicted by grand jury on 5 felony counts.

http://www.theinvestigativefund.org/...indictment.pdf

Also, it WAS reported in the mainstream media. I guess it wasn't as important in the news cycle and didn't get continually repeated as some of the other things going on at the time so it took a back seat.

Originally Posted by JohnC And, a criminal committing crimes does not give Governors, local LEO's, etc., the right to even temporarily revoke law abiding folks second amendment rights that aren't breaking any laws.

I agree it shouldn't although, if you are charged with the safety of any area as a LEO and there are armed, untrained vigilantes killing people how do you discern who is fit to carry a weapon and who isn't? Do you just wait for the body count and then go after whoever did it or do you disarm everyone and make it a more level playing field for all?

I'm not saying what they did was right. What they should have done was catalog who it was they were taking the guns away from so that they could return them to their rightful owners once the chaos had subsided.

I'm at odds with this whole issue. I don't believe that they should have even confiscated guns in the first place but on the other hand by not doing it innocent lives would have been in peril.

John

[03SonicBoom]

Originally Posted by PonyBoy5.0 I wonder why whoever moved my thread, didn't just delete the one in the Ammo Barn and leave the one I posted in here that was titled "Nazi's are hard at work!". : It's most likely a conspiracy. Details later... :

I moved it because it belongs in the Politics section and this one already had replies (where the one in the Politics section had no replies).