[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by dojaman Car and driver pulled a 13.7 i think with an 03 model. The 03's didnt have LSD. And stock they wheel hop like a bitch. I have seen stock srts run 13.80-14.9.

No, Car & Driver pulled a 13.9 in a 04.

Dodge SRT-4 - Short Take Road Test/American Performance/High Performance/Hot Lists/Reviews/Car and Driver - Car And Driver

"The '03 car ran to 60 mph in 5.6 seconds and cleared the quarter in 14.1 seconds at 102 mph. The '04 model nipped 0.3 second off the 60-mph sprint (5.3 seconds) and ran the quarter in 13.9 at 103 mph. Braking from 70 mph (169 feet), roadholding (0.86 g), and top speed (153 mph) were all about the same for both models."

Now I am SURE you didn't make said numbers up on purpose to deceive us. It was an honest mistake.

I have an 11 sec srt, and two friends with mustangs that run about the same. The srt4 has shot peened pistons, but i do think the rods are forged.

The SRT does indeed have forged internals. Not sure what is and what isn't. Yours is also not stock.

The stock block can handle about 400 HP. Not to get off topic, but i think it would be a drivers race, or depending on tires, etc.

Yup, that's what we have been saying. I've been talking to SRT-4 owners that say that it isn't. That he SRT-4 will "rape" the GT every time. He claims the 05-10 GT is a drivers race. Delusions...

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by Orions675 Before the cobra I had a 98gt, that I did a PI head swap on with a wet 90 shot made 385whp/479ft lbs. Regardless both cars are a blast to drive, I hate fcking FWD, even in the snow the neon is terrible less you put some decent snow tires on it. My srt-4 has a few bolt ons and it has done 13.2@108 @ KCIR here in Kansas City, on street tires with 2.2 60ft(yes I know it is crap). However the end all is the 4v > All

Nice cars, and at least you have a level head on your shoulders. The thing that ticks me off is, if you don't agree that the SRT-4 is the FASTEST CAR EVER!!1 to these dorks, they call you a "SRT-4 Hater"

I've probably been following Neons and the SRT-4 for longer than most of the kids on that forum even knew about it, let a lone own one. I love the car. No other car has as much bang for the buck as it (It's cheaper than the Mustang GT, or the GT would have that title)

Dodge could have REALLY cleaned up on that car if they had changed a few things.

1. Made it AWD or RWD. FWD just doesn't cut it with performance/race cars.

2. Gave a coupe option. I am sorry, Chrysler not giving customers the option for a coupe with their 2nd gen Neons really made me want to smack my head. SURE it was cheaper for them... but in the long run, they lost some sales. (I say the same about the WRX and EVO) Coupes just LOOK better.

3. Get rid of that horrible plastic shift ball that has a habit of slipping off. Maybe even have a STS instead.

4. Redesigned that gaudy and horrible spoiler. It reminds me of those toy cars that had spoilers that were similar so you could grab ahold of it to pull the car back to launch. They hinder rear window visibility and just look silly. The 1st gen Neon had a classy spoiler. It didn't look obnoxious at all.

It would have looked better with something like..



Also, those wheels are horrible. They again, looked ricey and obnoxious. American car companies should design their cars to look like American Muscle cars. Not Eurotrash looking cars that look like they come from a Transformer movie.

Again this is MHO. If Dodge had done that above, you'd probably see me buying an SRT-4 over a GT.

[johnnybsrt]

Ke^in you were removed from the srtforums because you were trolling 2 threads that dealt with mustangs. I am not the site owner either, AutoGuide is (the same people that own this forum). I reversed your ban and I am giving you a second chance seeing as you somewhat have a head on your shoulders (as long as you troll more then 2 threads). Not everyone on the srtforums has their heads up their asses, most actually have owned mustangs/other muscle cars or still do.

[johnnybsrt]

I myself owned a 1984 Mustang Notchback (86 front clip) with a fully built 331 stroker motor (which is currently in a friend '89 hatchback). Was a really fun car but unfortunately light rear end + bald tires + dirt/sand = fail lol. I have quite a few friends with mustangs, one just finished up a Vortec S trim install on his fox and another has a Saleen clone that is supercharged.







My current car is a 2004 Dodge Neon SRT-4 which is making 391whp and 366 tq. Full 50 trim .63 a/r turbo kit at 22/23lbs of boost. Custom 3" side exit exhaust with a resonator (that doesn't really do anything), soon to be Maxx Fab 3" side exit. I also have 32 way adjustable coil overs so that I can run a 26" slick once I get my hands on a set of 15" rims.

I agree that FWD is a bitch and sucks at times but that is what makes it fun. Getting something that spins (all the time) to hook is one task that makes owning this car fun.

[Orions675]

Originally Posted by Ke^in Nice cars, and at least you have a level head on your shoulders. The thing that ticks me off is, if you don't agree that the SRT-4 is the FASTEST CAR EVER!!1 to these dorks, they call you a "SRT-4 Hater" I've probably been following Neons and the SRT-4 for longer than most of the kids on that forum even knew about it, let a lone own one. I love the car. No other car has as much bang for the buck as it (It's cheaper than the Mustang GT, or the GT would have that title) Dodge could have REALLY cleaned up on that car if they had changed a few things. 1. Made it AWD or RWD. FWD just doesn't cut it with performance/race cars. 2. Gave a coupe option. I am sorry, Chrysler not giving customers the option for a coupe with their 2nd gen Neons really made me want to smack my head. SURE it was cheaper for them... but in the long run, they lost some sales. (I say the same about the WRX and EVO) Coupes just LOOK better. 3. Get rid of that horrible plastic shift ball that has a habit of slipping off. Maybe even have a STS instead. 4. Redesigned that gaudy and horrible spoiler. It reminds me of those toy cars that had spoilers that were similar so you could grab ahold of it to pull the car back to launch. They hinder rear window visibility and just look silly. The 1st gen Neon had a classy spoiler. It didn't look obnoxious at all. HEY DON'T MAKE FUN OF MY WING! It is ugly, but I think the cars look like a regular neon when they are de-winged. Also the spoiler is indestructible. It would have looked better with something like.. Also, those wheels are horrible. They again, looked ricey and obnoxious. American car companies should design their cars to look like American Muscle cars. Not Eurotrash looking cars that look like they come from a Transformer movie. Again this is MHO. If Dodge had done that above, you'd probably see me buying an SRT-4 over a GT.

1. Yes, I agree, but then the cost a few thousand more, and prone for more drive terrain issues(due to idiot drivers)

2.I love the four doors, my personal opinion is that the two door neons looks horrible, but that is just my thoughts.

3.hrm, I have not had the shift ball ever come off for me. As long as your not violently shifting should be no issues. I actually love the stock srt-4 shifter. The cobra has the MGW(best imo).

4.HEY DON'T MAKE FUN OF MY WING! It is ugly, but I think the cars look like a regular neon when they are de-winged. Also the spoiler is indestructible.

[Orions675]

Originally Posted by dojaman x2 Whats the power adder on your dyno sheet? Did you crank up boost? n20 diffrent gear? I just saw the two lines and was just wondering. I like the OB skittle, but they didn't offer it the year i bought mine. What bolt ons did you install a 13.2? What kind of 1/4 time have you gotten in the snake? And i just bought my first motorcycle this year....

That is the Dyno sheet for the Cobra btw, lets keep the srt-4 performance discussion on the srt forums folks =/

13psi @ 7250rpm Original Vortech V-1 with the straight cut gears for tons of whistling for your enjoyment. Only bad thing is if the car is running, there is no way to bs that the car is N/A. However even with 4.10 gears the 4v is so weak down low.

One comment about the centri, after driving the srt-4 I have been won over that a turbo is by far superior. I can get full boost by 3k, but the centri is maybe making 4.5-5.5 psi by 4500 rpms in the snake. So maybe a turbo is in store for it.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by johnnybsrt Ke^in you were removed from the srtforums because you were trolling 2 threads that dealt with mustangs.

Actually johhny the members there were trolling far worse than I was. Saying their SRT-s could RAPE Cobras etc.. that's just obnoxious. I was just being honest.

I am not the site owner either, AutoGuide is (the same people that own this forum). I reversed your ban and I am giving you a second chance seeing as you somewhat have a head on your shoulders (as long as you troll more then 2 threads). Not everyone on the srtforums has their heads up their asses, most actually have owned mustangs/other muscle cars or still do.

*shrug* all I know was I came in looking for info about used SRT-4s for my wife, saw the Mustang thread of SRT-4 owners acting like Stangs are POS cars and had to say something about the ironic nature of said posts. Nothing I said was trollish. I was just being honest about the situations. When someone new comes to the forum, and gets ganged up on by a few rude and trollish regulars, you are going to have to expect SOME smack talk here and there. I love the SRT-4. Always have. Been a long time Neon driver and owner. (Proud of it too) That doesn't mean I am going to lie and make up stuff just because I happen to like a car. Nor does it mean I am going to lie and make up stuff just to appease a handful of fanboys in a forum. :/ If that is trollish, so be it. I guess I'm a troll. Heck, even some of your own regulars were talking smack to the regulars that was arguing with me. Some of those guys were just being plain out delusional. Having said that, they are way better than the losers on youtube.

BTW that grey/silver SRT-4 looks just as good as the Black ones.. I just think you should remove the spoiler.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by Orions675 1. Yes, I agree, but then the cost a few thousand more, and prone for more drive terrain issues(due to idiot drivers)

The extra cost would be worth it to me.

2.I love the four doors, my personal opinion is that the two door neons looks horrible, but that is just my thoughts.

Nothing wrong with liking 4 doors. I am not saying sell a coupe ONLY. I am saying give an option for either.

3.hrm, I have not had the shift ball ever come off for me. As long as your not violently shifting should be no issues. I actually love the stock srt-4 shifter. The cobra has the MGW(best imo).

I don't like ball end shifters I guess. And it's plastic...

4.HEY DON'T MAKE FUN OF MY WING! It is ugly, but I think the cars look like a regular neon when they are de-winged. Also the spoiler is indestructible.

I heard about the infamous indestructible SRT-4 wing! I think it looking almost like a regular Neon would be a good thing. Sleeper.
One of the BEST things about owning a SRT-4 HAS to be the sleeper in it. The "Oh it's just a Neon with a body kit" people that poop their pants when you give them whiplash passing them.

I also like the fact that there are less SRT-4s around than Mustangs. I am trying to actually purchase both right now. Wife is getting the SRT-4 and I am getting the GT.

But we both can play with each others. We are married

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by Orions675 That is the Dyno sheet for the Cobra btw, lets keep the srt-4 performance discussion on the srt forums folks =/

Some of us are banned (I know I know you unbanned me .. still)

13psi @ 7250rpm Original Vortech V-1 with the straight cut gears for tons of whistling for your enjoyment. Only bad thing is if the car is running, there is no way to bs that the car is N/A. However even with 4.10 gears the 4v is so weak down low. One comment about the centri, after driving the srt-4 I have been won over that a turbo is by far superior. I can get full boost by 3k, but the centri is maybe making 4.5-5.5 psi by 4500 rpms in the snake. So maybe a turbo is in store for it.

Turbos are fun. But they don't last forever. And they can put wear on a car that isn't designed for one. That being said, I love the sound of them.

I have a black 99 Dodge R/T with silver stripes that I was going to sell to my Uncle..(he wants it for his son) But I might just keep it instead of getting an SRT-4. Just do a SRT-4 engine swap with the turbo and intercooler

now THAT would be fast.

[johnnybsrt]

Originally Posted by Ke^in Actually johhny the members there were trolling far worse than I was. Saying their SRT-s could RAPE Cobras etc.. that's just obnoxious. I was just being honest. *shrug* all I know was I came in looking for info about used SRT-4s for my wife, saw the Mustang thread of SRT-4 owners acting like Stangs are POS cars and had to say something about the ironic nature of said posts. Nothing I said was trollish. I was just being honest about the situations. When someone new comes to the forum, and gets ganged up on by a few rude and trollish regulars, you are going to have to expect SOME smack talk here and there. I love the SRT-4. Always have. Been a long time Neon driver and owner. (Proud of it too) That doesn't mean I am going to lie and make up stuff just because I happen to like a car. Nor does it mean I am going to lie and make up stuff just to appease a handful of fanboys in a forum. :/ If that is trollish, so be it. I guess I'm a troll. Heck, even some of your own regulars were talking smack to the regulars that was arguing with me. Some of those guys were just being plain out delusional. Having said that, they are way better than the losers on youtube. BTW that grey/silver SRT-4 looks just as good as the Black ones.. I just think you should remove the spoiler.

Every car forum has their special members.


For me it wouldn't flow right. I have however been looking at the PVO spoiler, its just a bitch because my car is custom painted and that means I would have to have the spoiler paint matched which costs more money LOL

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by johnnybsrt For me it wouldn't flow right. I have however been looking at the PVO spoiler, its just a bitch because my car is custom painted and that means I would have to have the spoiler paint matched which costs more money LOL

Ah.. do they sell spoilers to replace the factory one? I loved the look of the 1st gen surf board spoilers.

[Orions675]

Originally Posted by Ke^in The extra cost would be worth it to me. Nothing wrong with liking 4 doors. I am not saying sell a coupe ONLY. I am saying give an option for either. I don't like ball end shifters I guess. And it's plastic... I heard about the infamous indestructible SRT-4 wing! I think it looking almost like a regular Neon would be a good thing. Sleeper. One of the BEST things about owning a SRT-4 HAS to be the sleeper in it. The "Oh it's just a Neon with a body kit" people that poop their pants when you give them whiplash passing them. I also like the fact that there are less SRT-4s around than Mustangs. I am trying to actually purchase both right now. Wife is getting the SRT-4 and I am getting the GT. But we both can play with each others. We are married

See I love that my car stands out, the white cobra, actually turns less heads, it is almost more of my sleep car. I love when people see my neon and think it is pretty slow(its not fast, just decently quick) but most of the time I don't get a chance to race the neon for the fact that it is my commuter car, but it still can put a big grin on my face. With how orange it is I normally tell folks that at midnight it turns back into a pumpkin, and I am left walking.

Originally Posted by Ke^in Some of us are banned (I know I know you unbanned me .. still) Turbos are fun. But they don't last forever. And they can put wear on a car that isn't designed for one. That being said, I love the sound of them. I have a black 99 Dodge R/T with silver stripes that I was going to sell to my Uncle..(he wants it for his son) But I might just keep it instead of getting an SRT-4. Just do a SRT-4 engine swap with the turbo and intercooler now THAT would be fast.

From what I am told the swap can be more costly and time consuming, but if you have the skills and tools go for it! I have a buddy here locally that just picked up a 2004 blue srt-4 with 45k miles for 9500 clean title. I just wish I had all electric windows.

BTW here is a picture of my 98gt sitting next to my friends 383 lt1 trans man(yes trans man )


and a bonus picture, this was a long time ago when I had the GT
Shock em baby!

[Orions675]

Originally Posted by Ke^in Ah.. do they sell spoilers to replace the factory one? I loved the look of the 1st gen surf board spoilers.

You just hate the awesomeness of how much down force and how it kills your rear viewing area. Stop "hating" my lovely speed fin

[johnnybsrt]

Originally Posted by Ke^in Ah.. do they sell spoilers to replace the factory one? I loved the look of the 1st gen surf board spoilers.

Yeah its a "duck tail" spoiler.


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[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by Orions675 See I love that my car stands out, the white cobra, actually turns less heads, it is almost more of my sleep car. I love when people see my neon and think it is pretty slow(its not fast, just decently quick)

IIt's fast. I consider any car that is faster than the norm fast. Any car that does 14.5 or quicker in the 1/4 is fast IMHO. My 99 R/T was "quick" the SRT-4 is fast.

From what I am told the swap can be more costly and time consuming, but if you have the skills and tools go for it! I have a buddy here locally that just picked up a 2004 blue srt-4 with 45k miles for 9500 clean title. I just wish I had all electric windows.

My 99 R/T had all manuals, saved on weight . Your friend got a good deal. I can pick up a 2004 Mustang GT with 40k miles for that too. Since this will be a daily driver, which would you honestly say would be the better deal? Remember too, I am married and I am 36..

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by Orions675 You just hate the awesomeness of how much down force and how it kills your rear viewing area. Stop "hating" my lovely speed fin

LOL! I just cringed when I saw it the first time on the old Neon boards.. neons.org I think? Yup that was my daily stomping grounds for YEARS.. I still love a good looking 1st gen coupe with a turbo setup

The main problem I am going to have when I move to the Stang will be size. The Neon can be whipped around traffic like a go-cart.

[johnnybsrt]

Originally Posted by Ke^in IIt's fast. I consider any car that is faster than the norm fast. Any car that does 14.5 or quicker in the 1/4 is fast IMHO. My 99 R/T was "quick" the SRT-4 is fast. My 99 R/T had all manuals, saved on weight . Your friend got a good deal. I can pick up a 2004 Mustang GT with 40k miles for that too. Since this will be a daily driver, which would you honestly say would be the better deal? Remember too, I am married and I am 36..

Being married doesn't mean anything There are actually quite a few srt owners that have kids and this is their daily driver................ lol

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by johnnybsrt Yeah its a "duck tail" spoiler. Product Detail

Oooh I like!

No full pics of the car with it though...

[johnnybsrt]

Originally Posted by Ke^in Oooh I like! No full pics of the car with it though...

there are pics on the srtforums but cant find them right now haha

[johnnybsrt]

found one