[GTXRacing]

Hasn't happen as of yet but just in case...

If you've been beat by a ricer like a Honda, Subaru, or even those damn Lancers(Not EVO), just think about this. You have a muscle car, no blowers, turbos, or Nitrous Oxide, just pure breed MUSCLE.

The only way you've been beat by any of these ragbag cars is if they were running Viagra for small bangers like those Hondas with big fat turbos pushing 20PSI and those 2 inch cannons to make that high pitch annoying crackly sound. You have pure muscle so think, you've already won, just tell em "So what would have happened if you take off those turbo's and NOS?" I bet you they say...." Ha, you'd probably stomp my ass"....DAMN RIGHT SO YOU BETTER RUN!!!!


Yeah I had to bust this out because a good friend of my was running a Big block 351 with all the porting and cam work, msd setup and rear end, clutch and flywheel. He was pushing a fantastic 450HP off the top and didn't do a wide open tune (Where everything is at max((Fuel/Air, Cam Adjust, etc...))) and this measly bumble bee flys up and revs his pussyrattling cannon asking to do a run. They decided sure why not and even made a little $50.00 bet. BOOM THE LIGHT TURNS GREEN AND THERE OFF!!!...

Well my pal (Nick) had a good 3-4 cars ahead of em with the honda's POS turbo running hard. So the Honda man figures damn that's not gonna do it so let me push this button PSSSSSSSSSSSS goes his NOS and he fly's by and Won because they were going from one light to the other which was like a mile apart. In my head If this was the track at 1/4 mile he would have won but this was a street race so rules are cut.

So F*## it if some riceball pulls up and stomps you (Well at times but..) You just keep a good head and think well I didn't have to use a million power adders to catch up, I was gone before you said goodbye :wink

[AtlanticBlue99]

if you lose, you lose. if you make a bet and lose, hold up your side of the bet or show your poor sportsman, ingorant side. it is not always about "no replacement for displacement" because i can tell you of 6 v6 mustangs in the US running sub-10-second 1/4 mile passes with power adders. power is power, it doesnt matter how you get it.

[GTXRacing]

True, well my concept was to just let people know practically the same but i mean I wouldn't worry about the imports my opinion but yes you lose you lose and yes power is power.

[AtlanticBlue99]

and to add to your point, not many import guys make a car capable of handing a muscle car his ass...

[GTXRacing]

LOL

[173speed]

Originally Posted by AtlanticBlue99 if you lose, you lose. if you make a bet and lose, hold up your side of the bet or show your poor sportsman, ingorant side. it is not always about "no replacement for displacement" because i can tell you of 6 v6 mustangs in the US running sub-10-second 1/4 mile passes with power adders. power is power, it doesnt matter how you get it.

+1

i love mustangs but u can't nock their hostle u make power one way and they use another and if u lose then go home spend more money come back and get ure respect back 2 me that is the game

[Drgnracin72]

+1 173speed

[Sa-WaitNoMustang900Turbo]

also many of the imports with "power adders" have engines that are specifically designed to run forced induction. the come back that "why dont you take off the turbo and see how you'll do then!" is completely retarded due to the fact that if one were to take a turbo off of a turbo car
it would have almost no power. Turbo engines are euiped with much lower compression, automatic retarding ditributers, ect. n/a engines are desinged to make power in different ways. there for many turbos and SCers on certain cars are not really power adders, they are what is specifically designed to allow the engine to make decent power

power is power

[GTXRacing]

Originally Posted by Sa-WaitNoMustang900Turbo also many of the imports with "power adders" have engines that are specifically designed to run forced induction. the come back that "why dont you take off the turbo and see how you'll do then!" is completely retarded due to the fact that if one were to take a turbo off of a turbo car it would have almost no power. Turbo engines are euiped with much lower compression, automatic retarding ditributers, ect. n/a engines are desinged to make power in different ways. there for many turbos and SCers on certain cars are not really power adders, they are what is specifically designed to allow the engine to make decent power power is power

You are on the totally wrong concept of my post. I know a turbo vehicle wouldn't run worth nothing without a turbo. I'm not worried about the turbo vehicles thing you talking about. I said ricebaby not turbo. I'm talking about the people who load up cars full of useless stickers, 10" slams, wheel tucked in and turned in, overdone body kits, spoilers bigger than my car all togethr, and those cannons. Then they claim they could beat anyone in the world. Also, for the record I do beleive I know the difference in a turbo vehicle and a vehicle that you make power. Please do not pre-judge me on my knowledge of vehicles.

[morbid]

yea man.... honda nsx's and subaru sti's ... fucking ricers.........................

[AtlanticBlue99]

Originally Posted by morbid yea man.... honda nsx's and subaru sti's ... fucking ricers.........................

sarcasm i hope; any vehicle has potential...

[Sa-WaitNoMustang900Turbo]

sorry, the post wasn't directed specifically at you, I intended to alert people to not tell others that "take off that turbo and see how you'll do" doesnt really make any sense

also, its just that in my oppinion being a ricer has everything to do with not understanding performance and still thinking your a bass ass, not with the type of car you drive. except if it looks retarded for no appearent reason

Hell, many people ask people with four cylinder cars "Why not mod a cooler car or one with more displaement", usually it is because that particular person has great experience with that type of car and doesn't really care about building cars with bigger engines

I know a guy with a n/a VW beetle that runs 8-9 sec 1/4s

again im not trying to insult the people who already know this, just trying to inform those who don't

[Sa-WaitNoMustang900Turbo]

just for the sake of being completely on topic

If you are actually beat by a ricey car, dont sink to their level and bitch about loosing. Come back later with a different set up and stomp em, or just laugh at them when they throw a rod due to running to much boost

I think im repeating stuff

[GTXRacing]

It's cool, it's cool LOL

Yeah you're right you lose you lose just go home and throw a cam job, adjust timing, open your fuel flow wide, go back out find the guy and kick some ass.

[MSTNGRCR13]

Well, this is my first official post on this site and I will try to make it a good one. In my humble opinion, a "ricer" cannot win hands down against a pure muscle car without some major tuning/tweaking and a lot of cash. However, if we Mustang drivers dropped as much cash into our cars that some of these ricers do and make as many modifications and/or adding power adders to our cars, the outcome would still be the same; muscle over ricer. Ipersonally know of a 2002 Cobra that has been tweaked/tuned/modified along with adding NOS that would blow the doors off a very modified ricer. Add to that, my stock V6 blew the doors off of quite a few slightly modified N/A ricer cars. That was 2 years ago and I have been modifying my car as I get the money. I guess that the point that I am trying to make is I will take muscle over rice any day and if I am going to run against a ricer, I may win or I may lose, but the fact is I will always come back after I set up the car and eventually, I will beat those little ricers like the Del Sol I recently almost ran over on the freeway. If it weren't for traffic and my exit coming up quickly, I would have left him way behind. I actually had to shift into 5th and slow down to keep from rear-ending him. We both exitted the highway and stopped side by side at the stoplight. It was there that he couldn't believe that I only had a slightly modified V6 and that I hadn't even reached the redline during the entire time. In truth, I was taching approximately 38-3900 RPMs and still accelerating with the speedo needle buried while he was redlining in 5th gear at 7000 RPMs. That is why I will always take muscle over rice.

[AtlanticBlue99]

let me just add, dont race on the streets.

yea dollar for dollar, you cant make a car faster for cheaper than a camaro or mustang.

[MSTNGRCR13]

Normally, I don't race on the streets and keep it strictly to the track, but this was a fluke for me and just to see the looks on their faces afterwards was priceless. However, I am not trying to justify my actions and do agree that no-one should ever race on the city streets or highways.

[GTXRacing]

Sure yeah right, keep your profile low. That's the best way :wink :wink

LOL im kiddin, but I've said the same thing a million times and what do I plan on doing after I get this Holley Carb.... racing down my own back roads LOL.

[Sa-WaitNoMustang900Turbo]

actually, dollar for dallar MY CAR is far cheaper to make fast with all of the "bolt ons" than most american cars; for examle, with $200 - $300 of engine mods and few turns of the screw on a boost controller i am about to potentially add 40 - 50 rhp to my car

and yea ricers suck, the flimsy components used in most jap 4 pots give all of us other 4 cyl. guys a bad name

so use this


sorry for cluttering up the forum

[2000Si]

This thread is pathetic.

Who cares what some honda has done to it when it absolutely hands you your ass.

Power is power. It doesn't matter how it makes it, when you go down to a faster car you should learn how to APPRECIATE the dedication this individual put into his car to be able to do that.

No replacement for displacement is complete bullshit. The 7 liter C6 Z06 will absolutely hand a 10 liter SRT10 it's ass.

Why? Here's a valuable lesson in automotives; power to weight ratio. While you're drudging around town in your 3300 lb tank of a Mustang and a 2000 lb car with half the power comes up and hands you your ass, it doesn't freaking MATTER what kind of power adder he MAY be pushing. The fact is your 24 thousand dollar car and your ego just got it's ass handed to you on a silver platter by a 1000 dollar beater civic with maybe 5000-6000 in modifications.

If you're so worried about Displacement, why the hell did you buy a car with a baby 281 in it? There are plenty of cars out there with more displacement and more power on tap.

My point behind this? It's a matter of preference. I enjoy my car and it's potential, you enjoy your car and it's potential.

What makes a car nut a car nut is the fact that he can appreciate OTHER PEOPLE'S CHOICES just as much as he can his own.

The other thing I feel I need to comment on is the fact that you lump all Imports into one category and bash them down all as ricers. If there is one thing I absolutely HATE in this world, it's ignorance. Fact of the matter here is if you knew what I know about Hondas AND Mustangs you wouldn't be sitting there spouting off this insanely ignorant bullshit about how a car with a small four banger engine that may beat your car is apparently 'not fair' because it uses a power adder to do it.

"It needs a turbo, super or nitrous... if my car had that they wouldn't even come close." So do it, but until you do; run what you brung and stop playing with 'what ifs' and 'wait until I get my...'.

Oh and last thing... my almost completely bone stock 2000 Civic Si spanked a 3.8L V6 Mustang pretty badly.

Why? Power to weight ratio. No replacement for displacement eh? hahaha Typical ignorant domestic owner.


GodDAMN I can't wait for your poorly constructed rebuttal of more ign'ance!