Traction > Horsepower

Odin · August 31st, 2008, 10:11 PM

Last night at the track I raced an '08 GT with a fully built 306 stroker motor and NOS and I won. He's got over 400 HP to the rear wheels vs my stock (intake & tune) '08 GT, but he can't get the power to the ground.

I was running very close behind an '08 GT with a Whipple HO (he was in the mid to high 8's) and a '03 Cobra with a smaller pully and some bolt ons (he was in the mid to high 8's) because neither of them could hook up.

Same thing with the mostly stock GTO's and the stock Charger SRT8's out last night - they can't hook up.

I can't hook up either, but at least I'm not blowing 400-500 horsepower out through the rear tires on every race, and I'm barely behind the guys that are.

ReverendDexter · September 1st, 2008, 01:25 AM

+1

I've never understood the guys that come on here and just want to know how to make more power with no thought whatsoever to their tires or susupension.

Good kills.

AzSonicSnake · September 1st, 2008, 02:53 AM

roger that. i always get asked whats done to the motor, thatis until someone sees my car launch, then they wanna know what i did to make it take off like a bat out of hell. horsepower is useless without traction. and normally all people think to do is add a gob of horsepower, and not spend much if any attention to the suspension. but if you can't put your power down, whats the point?

97mustanggt · September 2nd, 2008, 04:38 AM

yeah thats my problem....cant get my power to the ground...i need to warm the hell out of my tires if i race....thinking of lower and upper control arms...

97Cobra · September 2nd, 2008, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by 97mustanggt

yeah thats my problem....cant get my power to the ground...i need to warm the hell out of my tires if i race....thinking of lower and upper control arms...

that would help a lot. that and sub frame connectors, springs, struts, and panhard bar!

thats what Im saving up for before my K/B in a couple of years...

ReverendDexter · September 2nd, 2008, 05:38 PM

Panhard bar isn't really necessary for drag racing, and aftermarket UCAs are actually detrimental to you handling if you want to take a corner.

I would think a panhard would actually be detrimental to drag launches, as it's going to push (or pull, if it's level with the axle at normal ride height) the axle laterally under compression. If you need lateral axle location, I'd save up the extra $300 and get a watts link.

97mustanggt · September 3rd, 2008, 02:56 AM

were do sub frame connectors go?...

97Cobra · September 3rd, 2008, 03:39 AM

maximum motorsports!!!!!

F8L GT · September 3rd, 2008, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by 97mustanggt

were do sub frame connectors go?...

weld to the front and rear subframes connecting them together to make the car more solid

WilltheThrill · September 3rd, 2008, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter

I've never understood the guys that come on here and just want to know how to make more power with no thought whatsoever to their tires or susupension.

all of us were unexperienced noobs at one point........you know this man.

WilltheThrill · September 3rd, 2008, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by 97mustanggt

...i need to warm the hell out of my tires if i race.....

dont do that if you race on regular street tires. just do a short burnout to clean em off.

ReverendDexter · September 3rd, 2008, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by WilltheThrill

all of us were unexperienced noobs at one point........you know this man.

True... when I was younger I wanted to convert my Cavalier (boxy 80's 4-door automatic) to V8/rwd by putting it on a F-body chassis

WilltheThrill · September 3rd, 2008, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter

True... when I was younger I wanted to convert my Cavalier (boxy 80's 4-door automatic) to V8/rwd by putting it on a F-body chassis

what a retard!!!!!!!!!

j/k

ive wanted to do some retarded things when I was younger too!

97mustanggt · September 6th, 2008, 03:11 PM

aite so just a quick burn to clean them...thanx for info...by the way how do u guys do ur burn outs on manuals?..i heard there are different ways wats the best way...

Hunt_chevs · September 7th, 2008, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by Odin

Last night at the track I raced an '08 GT with a fully built 306 stroker motor and NOS and I won. He's got over 400 HP to the rear wheels vs my stock (intake & tune) '08 GT, but he can't get the power to the ground.

I was running very close behind an '08 GT with a Whipple HO (he was in the mid to high 8's) and a '03 Cobra with a smaller pully and some bolt ons (he was in the mid to high 8's) because neither of them could hook up.

Same thing with the mostly stock GTO's and the stock Charger SRT8's out last night - they can't hook up.

I can't hook up either, but at least I'm not blowing 400-500 horsepower out through the rear tires on every race, and I'm barely behind the guys that are.

i most definitely have to agree. I read an article in mm&ff a while ago, and there was a guy with a 99 gt they did a little spread on. The guy was bone stocking the motor, but if i remember correctly had almost 10k into his suspension. Point being this guy pulled the front up on a stock motor

Hunt_chevs · September 7th, 2008, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by 97mustanggt

aite so just a quick burn to clean them...thanx for info...by the way how do u guys do ur burn outs on manuals?..i heard there are different ways wats the best way...

3k clutch drop to get em going, than feather the throttle to keep em going

97mustanggt · September 7th, 2008, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Hunt_chevs

3k clutch drop to get em going, than feather the throttle to keep em going

aite thanx...is that only way...my friend tells me to put on foot on both brake and gas and and ease out the clutch while giving gas and applying brakes....

ReverendDexter · September 7th, 2008, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by 97mustanggt

aite thanx...is that only way...my friend tells me to put on foot on both brake and gas and and ease out the clutch while giving gas and applying brakes....

Problem with that is you run the risk of burning up your rear brakes.

bitemark46 · September 10th, 2008, 02:08 PM

You build the car from the back to front. So many people do it backwards. -Mark

futureMACH1racer · September 13th, 2008, 01:42 PM

Suspension, Suspension, Suspension and tires too. The first mods to my cars are the suspnsion and chassis mods. because what good is 400hp when you spin through 3rd.

August 31st, 2008, 10:11 PM	#1
Odin Regular 2009 Corvette Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: McKinney, Texas Posts: 216 iTrader: 0 reviews	Traction > Horsepower Last night at the track I raced an '08 GT with a fully built 306 stroker motor and NOS and I won. He's got over 400 HP to the rear wheels vs my stock (intake & tune) '08 GT, but he can't get the power to the ground. I was running very close behind an '08 GT with a Whipple HO (he was in the mid to high 8's) and a '03 Cobra with a smaller pully and some bolt ons (he was in the mid to high 8's) because neither of them could hook up. Same thing with the mostly stock GTO's and the stock Charger SRT8's out last night - they can't hook up. I can't hook up either, but at least I'm not blowing 400-500 horsepower out through the rear tires on every race, and I'm barely behind the guys that are. __________________ 2009 C6

September 1st, 2008, 01:25 AM	#2
ReverendDexter Priest of the Car Gods Clapped-out '90 GT 'vert ~5.5 seconds off TTOD :( Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 13,233 iTrader: 0 reviews	+1 I've never understood the guys that come on here and just want to know how to make more power with no thought whatsoever to their tires or susupension. Good kills. __________________ O o /¯/______________________ \|BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!! \_\ Buy my Bronco, special deal for MM folks

September 1st, 2008, 02:53 AM	#3
AzSonicSnake 2009 ROTY 2003 SVT Cobra 11.07@127 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Phoenix,AZ Posts: 5,716 iTrader: 1 reviews	roger that. i always get asked whats done to the motor, thatis until someone sees my car launch, then they wanna know what i did to make it take off like a bat out of hell. horsepower is useless without traction. and normally all people think to do is add a gob of horsepower, and not spend much if any attention to the suspension. but if you can't put your power down, whats the point? __________________ MM Cobra Club #25 My Autolog Profile

September 2nd, 2008, 05:38 PM	#6
ReverendDexter Priest of the Car Gods Clapped-out '90 GT 'vert ~5.5 seconds off TTOD :( Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 13,233 iTrader: 0 reviews	Panhard bar isn't really necessary for drag racing, and aftermarket UCAs are actually detrimental to you handling if you want to take a corner. I would think a panhard would actually be detrimental to drag launches, as it's going to push (or pull, if it's level with the axle at normal ride height) the axle laterally under compression. If you need lateral axle location, I'd save up the extra $300 and get a watts link. __________________ O o /¯/______________________ \|BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!! \_\ Buy my Bronco, special deal for MM folks

September 3rd, 2008, 03:39 AM	#8
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September 2nd, 2008, 04:38 AM	#4
97mustanggt Hardcore Enthusiast 97GT & 97Snake & 00L T.B.A Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Richgrove, Ca Posts: 2,196 iTrader: 0 reviews	yeah thats my problem....cant get my power to the ground...i need to warm the hell out of my tires if i race....thinking of lower and upper control arms...

September 3rd, 2008, 02:56 AM	#7
97mustanggt Hardcore Enthusiast 97GT & 97Snake & 00L T.B.A Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Richgrove, Ca Posts: 2,196 iTrader: 0 reviews	were do sub frame connectors go?...

September 6th, 2008, 03:11 PM	#14
97mustanggt Hardcore Enthusiast 97GT & 97Snake & 00L T.B.A Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Richgrove, Ca Posts: 2,196 iTrader: 0 reviews	aite so just a quick burn to clean them...thanx for info...by the way how do u guys do ur burn outs on manuals?..i heard there are different ways wats the best way...

September 10th, 2008, 02:08 PM	#19
bitemark46 Regular Join Date: May 2008 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 384 iTrader: 0 reviews	You build the car from the back to front. So many people do it backwards. -Mark __________________ -Mark- 98' N/A Cobra (Stock longblock) 11.79 at 114.64 (1.62 60ft)

September 13th, 2008, 01:42 PM	#20
futureMACH1racer Honeybadger is Crazy 2008 F-250 Super Duty Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: United States of America Posts: 10,901 iTrader: 0 reviews	Suspension, Suspension, Suspension and tires too. The first mods to my cars are the suspnsion and chassis mods. because what good is 400hp when you spin through 3rd. __________________ RIP Travis Bilings 5/6/1982-7/5/2011 Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

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